Home Court 2005 Race #1

[SweetD]

#1

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Suns 62-19
Magic Numbers: Spurs 0 / Miami 0

#2

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Spurs 59-22

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Heat 57-23
Uptdated as of 4/18 9:14am
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/standings?season=2005&group=league&column=gamesBehind&order=null&seasontype=2

Suns games ​

March 6 - 2​

3/18 Warriors​

3/20 @Grizzlies​

3/22 @Hawks​

3/23 @Bobcats​

3/25 @Heat​

3/26 @Magic​

3/28 Nuggets​

3/30 76ers​

April 7 - 2 ​

4/1 Timberwolves​

4/3 @Rockets​

4/5 Lakers​

4/8 @Warriors​

4/9 Rockets​

4/11 @Lakers​

4/12 Hornets​

4/15 Clippers​

4/16 Kings​

4/18 Nuggets​

4/20 @Kings​

Spurs games​

March 4 - 3​

3/18 Bobcats​

3/20 @Pistons​

3/21 @Knicks​

3/23 @Pacers​

3/25 Hawks​

3/27 Rockets​

3/30 SuperSonics​

April 6 - 3​

4/1 @Nuggets​

4/2 Lakers​

4/6 Clippers​

4/7 @Mavericks​

4/9 @Clippers​

4/10 @Warriors​

4/12 Trail Blazers​

4/13 @Jazz​

4/16 Grizzlies​

4/18 @Grizzlies​

4/20 @Timberwolves​

Heat games​

March 2 - 2​

3/22 @Rockets​

3/25 Suns​

3/26 @Bobcats​

3/29 Raptors​

3/31 @Pacers​

April 3 -4​

4/1 @Hornets​

4/5 Bulls​

4/8 @Grizzlies​

4/10 Pistons​

4/14 @76ers​

4/15 @Celtics​

4/17 Pacers​

4/19 Bobcats​

4/20 @Magic​

Loss/Win​

 

[Chaz]

Interesting.

The Spurs are on the road a lot down the stretch while the Suns are at home until the last game.




You might put Miami in there. They are only 1 game back in the loss column.

 

[SweetD]

I will add Miami if they pass us or move into 2nd. To much cut and pasting for one day

 

[elindholm]

I will add Miami if they pass us or move into 2nd.

Miami is only percentage points back of the Spurs for the best record in the league right now. The Suns are in third, a half game back of both teams.

 

[Chaz]

I will add Miami if they pass us or move into 2nd.

Miami is only percentage points back of the Spurs for the best record in the league right now. The Suns are in third, a half game back of both teams.

Miami can't be ahead of us they have more losses than we do.


EDIT:

San Antonio 49-15 .766
Phoenix 48-15 .762
Miami 50-16 .758

 

[elindholm]

Miami can't be ahead of us they have more losses than we do.

??

Just as an example, a team that was 10-2 would be ahead of a team that was 2-1.

It depends on what you're ranking. By winning percentage, the Suns are ahead of the Heat. But sports standings are traditionally done by W-L. The Heat are 34 games over .500, and the Suns are only 33 games over. The Suns are a half game back of the Heat.

 

[Chaz]

Miami can't be ahead of us they have more losses than we do.

??

Just as an example, a team that was 10-2 would be ahead of a team that was 2-1.

It depends on what you're ranking. By winning percentage, the Suns are ahead of the Heat. But sports standings are traditionally done by W-L. The Heat are 34 games over .500, and the Suns are only 33 games over. The Suns are a half game back of the Heat.

I can understand if you run out enough games the percentage would pass.

They are 2 up in the win and 1 down in the loss. They are in a statistical dead heat with us. The percentage shows that the Suns are in 2nd by percentage points.

In general, when you have a fixed number of games for both teams you do not have teams with more losses ahead of those with fewer.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/standings

 

[Qmiles23]

Dang Miami is in the east, if we were in the east we would have only a couple of losses . I hope we get home court though, and I think we can pull it out.

 

[BC867]

San Antonio 49-15 .766
Phoenix 48-15 .762
Miami 50-16 .758

Percentage does indeed determine who finishes ahead in the standings, rather than wins or losses (if the teams have not played the same quantity of games).

Here's the logic.

Miami has won 2 more games and lost one more than the Suns at this point. 2-1 is a percentage of .667.

With the Suns and Heat at .762 and .758, that 2-1 (.667) difference drags down Miami.

If the Suns and Heat were under .667, such as:

Phoenix 38-25 .603
Miami 40-26 .606

the 2-1 (.667) difference would put the Heat over the Suns, because it's better than .606 and .603.

There have been times such as if a team in 1st place finishes 1/2 game behind the 2nd place team, but leads the division with a higher percentage, such as:


TEAM W-L PCT GB
Team A 110-49 .692 1/2
Team B 112-50 .691 ---

WHEW.

 

[elindholm]

In general, when you have a fixed number of games for both teams you do not have teams with more losses ahead of those with fewer.

I've never heard of such a rule. "In general" it's true, just as "in general" the team with more wins will be ranked higher. But if the teams have played an unequal number of games, usually they are ranked by the number of games over .500.

 

[Chaz]

Percentage does indeed determine who finishes ahead in the standings, rather than wins or losses (if the teams have not played the same quantity of games).

Here's the logic.

Miami has won 2 more games and lost one more than the Suns at this point. 2-1 is a percentage of .667.

With the Suns and Heat at .762 and .758, that 2-1 (.667) difference drags down Miami.

If the Suns and Heat were under .667, such as:

Phoenix 38-25 .603
Miami 40-26 .606

the 2-1 (.667) difference would put the Heat over the Suns, because it's better than .606 and .603.

There have been times such as if a team in 1st place finishes 1/2 game behind the 2nd place team, but leads the division with a higher percentage, such as:


TEAM W-L PCT GB
Team A 110-49 .692 1/2
Team B 112-50 .691 ---

WHEW.

Good point, if they had a lower percentage the 2-1 games advantage would mean more.

I don't know what we are arguing about here.

The Suns are in 2nd place, check the standings. The Suns lead Miami by percentage points.

 

[Chaz]

The other way to look at this is if the Heat and Suns both win all their games the rest of the way the Suns win by one game. If you are looking at who is ahead in the race for HCA the Suns are leading because they have fewer losses.
Once you have the loss you can't get it back you can only hope the other team loses.

 

[TopGamer]

With San Antonio, Phoenix, and Miami so close together right now it's tricky. They are ahead of us even though they have loss one more game because they have played more. So even though they are ahead of us statistically it's misleading because we haven't played as many games. When we catch up with them in terms of the number of games played it would be more accurate. We still have an advantage over them because of having one less loss.

 

[Chaplin]

Of course, we are the best road team in the NBA, so maybe all this home court talk is moot.

 

[elindholm]

Percentage does indeed determine who finishes ahead in the standings, rather than wins or losses (if the teams have not played the same quantity of games).

Can you cite an actual instance of this, rather than a made-up example? Your example looks like it might be drawn from MLB, but I highly doubt that a season ever ended with standings that looked like that.

 

[George O'Brien]

Percentage does indeed determine who finishes ahead in the standings, rather than wins or losses (if the teams have not played the same quantity of games).

Can you cite an actual instance of this, rather than a made-up example? Your example looks like it might be drawn from MLB, but I highly doubt that a season ever ended with standings that looked like that.

Basketball does not have nearly as many rainouts as baseball.

 

[JCSunsfan]

What a bunch of eggheads!

Tie goes to San Antonio in the end, so we've got to be a game ahead of them in the end in order to have homecourt over them in the playoffs?

So, being tied in the loss column means that San Antonio is really ahead of us--practically speaking (not officially speaking of course).

 

[SweetD]

You guys are going crazy. LOL

 

[BC867]

Can you cite an actual instance of this, rather than a made-up example? Your example looks like it might be drawn from MLB, but I highly doubt that a season ever ended with standings that looked like that.

You're right. I did use a theoretical MLB season, rather than NBA, because with more games, it made it easier to calculate an example of a team 1/2 game out, but finishing on top with a higher W-L percentage.

I've just spent a half an hour going through baseball records on various sites to find an example . . . and couldn't find listings of final standings for the NL or AL.

I seem to remember that it's happened but, then again, they'd probably make up rained out games if it did. 'Sorry.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I can understand if you run out enough games the percentage would pass.

They are 2 up in the win and 1 down in the loss. They are in a statistical dead heat with us. The percentage shows that the Suns are in 2nd by percentage points.

In general, when you have a fixed number of games for both teams you do not have teams with more losses ahead of those with fewer.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/standings

this is a dumb debate, but as the standings are determined, if the heat have two more wins and one more loss the suns are considered a half game back. you can argue the numbers all you want, but ultimately it comes down to official standings and the suns are currently in third.

 

[Chaz]

this is a dumb debate, but as the standings are determined, if the heat have two more wins and one more loss the suns are considered a half game back. you can argue the numbers all you want, but ultimately it comes down to official standings and the suns are currently in third.

So they don't rank teams by percentages?
Percentages take into account games played, counting the games back does not. Which makes more sense for figuring HCA?

By your figuring Miami is half a game up on San Antonio because they won a game last night.

But you are right, this is a stupid argument.

 

[Chaz]

What a bunch of eggheads!

Tie goes to San Antonio in the end, so we've got to be a game ahead of them in the end in order to have homecourt over them in the playoffs?

So, being tied in the loss column means that San Antonio is really ahead of us--practically speaking (not officially speaking of course).

Yes.

San Antonio owns the tie breaker vs Phoenix.

 

[SweetD]

Updated

 

[SweetD]

Also added Miami for all the East Coasters. Sucks because the East is not even close to the same level as the West. Miami just might pull this one out for home court.

 

[SweetD]

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