Honey Badger not happy with contract

[Jetstream Green]

Crap story and the guy who wrote it is pushing it and knows it by using 'seemingly' unhappy in the headline. Honey Badger is just acting his age and who knows might be a little drunk arguing (hopefully not pot), he is a Cardinal and the team will find a way... BigRedRage is right

 

[WisconsinCard]

As far as NFL players goes, he is making towards the bottom though. That's what happens when you're a third rounder on a rookie deal.

True in a sense he's paying for his past indiscretions. if he stayed clean he would have been a first round pick and would have made considerably more. I love the kid and hope he can stay healthy and gets paid. He seems like he's really turned his life around.

 

[Dude]

With two major injuries in 3 years I understand why SK is being careful with extending him or writing up a new contract. If HB blows out another knee his career is probably finished. He may be very good when he is playing but his career may be very short. He has missed a lot of time in 3 years.

+1

 

[unseenaz]

He and his family were getting death threats, absolutely don't beleive his comments were a slight to the Cards

 

[Dude]

He and his family were getting death threats, absolutely don't beleive his comments were a slight to the Cards

I don't know who his tweets were at. But they read to me he was defending his life and getting after people talking trash. I would say it had nothing to do with anything going on with the team.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

He's being a douche about his rookie contract?

That's ironic, because his rookie deal could have been MUCH larger, if he wasn't being a douche.

 

[Chopper0080]

Yup. What a weird negotiation this is going to be. I imagine that Keim would want something similar to what they gave Veldheer — a nice signing bonus and salaries that include game-day active roster bonuses to hedge against the injury risk. Matthieu thinks that he is the next-best guy after Patrick Peterson and a legit DPOY candidate and All-Pro, and deserves money approaching the top of the CB market.

In a way, they're both right. Antonio Cromartie is playing on a deal that averages $8M per year. I think that Matthieu deserves that, but I have no idea how much of that I'd want to legitimately guarantee.

Yes, it will be very weird. Mathieu wants DPOY money, and Keim wants to hedge against two major injuries to Mathieu. Both sides appreciate what the other brings, but it is about how much risk is factored in. What is most interesting is that this mirrors Mathieu's first negotiation. Mathieu came with unquestionable talent, but lots of risk. Mathieu was willing to concede in the first negotiations in order for an opportunity to prove he has changed as a person. Now, is Mathieu going to concede again? I tend to think that he will take a harder line.

 

[Cardiac]

Yes, it will be very weird. Mathieu wants DPOY money, and Keim wants to hedge against two major injuries to Mathieu. Both sides appreciate what the other brings, but it is about how much risk is factored in. What is most interesting is that this mirrors Mathieu's first negotiation. Mathieu came with unquestionable talent, but lots of risk. Mathieu was willing to concede in the first negotiations in order for an opportunity to prove he has changed as a person. Now, is Mathieu going to concede again? I tend to think that he will take a harder line.

Rookie contracts are basically slotted so what did he concede with his first contract? Agreed to drug testing is about all I can think of.

 

[ARZCardinals]

2 ACL's....

Let's see how he returns....the deal is there for the taking if he can return to form.

 

[Chopper0080]

Rookie contracts are basically slotted so what did he concede with his first contract? Agreed to drug testing is about all I can think of.

Guaranteed money. Mathieu received below slot guarantees due to his history.

 

[TJ]

Rookie contracts are basically slotted so what did he concede with his first contract? Agreed to drug testing is about all I can think of.

Badger was forced to concede due to circumstances. Being selected in the 3rd ground gives you no leverage for negotiating. Also, if memory serves me correctly, Badger had to enter into the NFL's substance abuse program because of his behavior at LSU. Even now, Badger's leverage is small because he is injury prone with major surgeries on both knees. The contract has to have conditions that are more favorable for the organization if/when he gets hurt again.

IMO, with the contract situation and his heavy involvement in the Will Smith/New Orleans saga, he's been in a bitchy mood lately. Again, I would take all of his banter with a grain of salt and let the process unfold.

 

[Cardiac]

Guaranteed money. Mathieu received below slot guarantees due to his history.

Okay but at the end of the day he still received the money that was allotted for where he was picked, right?

 

[Jetstream Green]

The Cardinals still really like him in my opinion and he will actually get a great payday... his circumstances are just going to make the process a tad longer but it will happen when the time is right

 

[Chopper0080]

Okay but at the end of the day he still received the money that was allotted for where he was picked, right?

Guaranteed money is the only thing that counts. Mathieu conceded it in his first deal, but I believe will be less likely to do so again.

 

[Cardiac]

Guaranteed money is the only thing that counts. Mathieu conceded it in his first deal, but I believe will be less likely to do so again.

I'm not trying to argue but to better understand. I get that the guaranteed money is very important in the 2nd contract and can be in the first contract if the player sucks and gets cut in a year or two. In HB's case he will see all the money that was allocated for where he was slotted but it was in salary mostly instead of bonus/guaranteed.

So if a 3rd rd pick, 78th overall (for example) is allocated 4 million over 4 yrs and HB only got a signing bonus of $500K instead of $1 million then he starts off behind by $500K. But in salary over those 4 years he gets paid his allocated $4 million then he didn't lose out. What am I missing?

 

[wa52lz]

Guaranteed money is the only thing that counts. Mathieu conceded it in his first deal, but I believe will be less likely to do so again.

according to sportrac.com, TM's signing bonus was $265k which was less then the slotted amount but the guaranteed money was more then what the guy drafted ahead of him got. Not sure how that works. Here is what the site shows:

TM $3,052,500, $265k signing bonus and $817187 guaranteed

Leon McFadden $3070832, $690832 signing bonus and $690832 guaranteed

 

[CardLogic]

I'm not trying to argue but to better understand. I get that the guaranteed money is very important in the 2nd contract and can be in the first contract if the player sucks and gets cut in a year or two. In HB's case he will see all the money that was allocated for where he was slotted but it was in salary mostly instead of bonus/guaranteed.

So if a 3rd rd pick, 78th overall (for example) is allocated 4 million over 4 yrs and HB only got a signing bonus of $500K instead of $1 million then he starts off behind by $500K. But in salary over those 4 years he gets paid his allocated $4 million then he didn't lose out. What am I missing?

I believe you have it right, Cardiac, except that the total contract was closer to $3 mill. than $4 mill.

Mathieu's contract was a "prove it" deal. Prove it and you get the money; instead of more up-front or guaranteed money. Perhaps HB's making a point that, even considering the injuries, that he doesn't want another "prove it" contract.

 

[Cardiac]

I believe you have it right, Cardiac, except that the total contract was closer to $3 mill. than $4 mill.

Mathieu's contract was a "prove it" deal. Prove it and you get the money; instead of more up-front or guaranteed money. Perhaps HB's making a point that, even considering the injuries, that he doesn't want another "prove it" contract.

Thanks, yeah I was just using rounded off numbers for easy math.

I think Choppers point is finally sinking into my thick skull. While HB didn't really lose anything with the first contract because he wasn't cut he won't be looking to cut the Cards a break on this contract as far as guaranteed money goes.

It will be a tough negotiations because HB has proven to be a big time talent but has also missed a ton of games due to injuries.