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You do realize safeties are rarely tagged. He'd probably have to be DPOY to get tagged.

Yes, Safeties are low on the hierarchy of who gets tagged. I mentioned HB getting tagged (as suggested by thephoenixson 28) in order to look at what would happen with his contract numbers compared to hitting the open market next year. My point was that even if he gets tagged as a safety, he will still be making more for the two years than the two on the restructured Cardinal contract.

This year only five players received the franchise tag with Rams safety Lamarcus Joyner one of the five. His is a strange designation since he has played CB, FS, OLB. Last year he was a FS and got low-ball tagged as a result. He's the Rams answer to HB

Here's his stats:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoynLa00.htm

Compare his stats for 2017 to HB:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MathTy00.htm
 

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Where did you get your inside information about HB's attitude? He fought back from two major knee injuries and got back on the field in 2017 and played like a warrior on D and special teams:

Mathieu finished with 1,263 snaps on the field — 1,058 on defense and another 207 on special teams. That topped Tennessee cornerback Adoree Jackson’s 1,258 (1,022 on defense, 224 on special teams, and 12 on offense.) There were a handful of players who played more on defense (including former teammates and safeties Tony Jefferson and D.J. Swearinger) but that was in part because the Cardinals’ sixth-ranked defense was able to get off the field more often. It wasn’t like Mathieu rested much. He sat out only six defensive snaps all season.

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2018/01/03/the-workload-of-the-honey-badger/

Does that sound like a spoiled child?
Does that sound like someone expecting things to be handed to him?
Does that sound like he got spoiled rotten by the Cards?

It sounds like a hard-working professional athlete who has fought through injuries to stay on the field. He is a family man and worked to better the community. He was acknowledged by SK and Gov. Ducey even after being cut.

https://www.abc15.com/sports/sports...n-mathieu-thanks-cardinals-fans-after-release
He was given a rediculous contract and thought he was worth it. Last year was the only season that he played all 16 games and was a very average player. He refused to take a pay cut knowing he didn’t play that well. He owed this team a pay cut for both being injured and not playing well.

Look at Iupati, he knew that he got a free paycheck the last two years and he took a pay cut. The badger knew as well as every Cardinal fan that he didn’t earn the money he was given but refused to take a pay cut to help out the team that has spoiled him rotten. That tells me loud and clear that he is acting like a spoiled little child.

I said months ago that he was going to have to take a pay cut because his play didn’t warrant such a huge contract. I laughed and thought it was funny when he got his just desserts. The Cardinals being nice still offered him more than he was worth. The Badger balked at the offer thinking that teams would line up to give him another giant contract but guess what they didn’t. I would say he got what he deserved for stabbing his team in the back but he still got paid more than he deserved.
 

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He was given a rediculous contract and thought he was worth it. Last year was the only season that he played all 16 games and was a very average player. He refused to take a pay cut knowing he didn’t play that well. He owed this team a pay cut for both being injured and not playing well.

Look at Iupati, he knew that he got a free paycheck the last two years and he took a pay cut. The badger knew as well as every Cardinal fan that he didn’t earn the money he was given but refused to take a pay cut to help out the team that has spoiled him rotten. That tells me loud and clear that he is acting like a spoiled little child.

I said months ago that he was going to have to take a pay cut because his play didn’t warrant such a huge contract. I laughed and thought it was funny when he got his just desserts. The Cardinals being nice still offered him more than he was worth. The Badger balked at the offer thinking that teams would line up to give him another giant contract but guess what they didn’t. I would say he got what he deserved for stabbing his team in the back but he still got paid more than he deserved.

Long-term contracts can swing either way. Sometimes the player exceeds expectations, sometimes he doesn't. Teams don't tear up contracts when the player over-performs but they expect to do so when he under-performs.

HB was a middle-of-the-pack player stat-wise last year. But he lived up to the contract by his rehab and getting on the field for both D and ST snaps.

SK and MB gave him the contract. If they were concerned about his performance they should have included performance-based goals within the contract and then HB would have a clear idea of the pay for performance. In this case, it is the FO acting like the 'spoiled child' by wanting to back-track on the contract that both parties signed in good faith.

https://overthecap.com/nfl-contracts-the-incentive-vs-the-escalator/

You still haven't explained how you know the inner workings of HB's thinking. It is a business---Cards were not being 'nice' they were simply evaluating where HB fits in the salary cap going forward. So was HB and his agent---they are not 'back-stabbing' the Cards by trying to maximize HB's earnings especially since it was the Cards who wanted to tear up the original contract. Cards were willing to give X amount to not cut HB and HB wanted X amount to stay. Like I said in other posts on this thread, HB and his agent are betting that he returns to form and outplays that one-year deal and gets rewarded on future contracts. Cards are betting that he doesn't and were willing to pay him for what they thought they were going to get going forward. Nothing to do with 'nice' or 'backstabbing'----it the business model of the NFL.

Have you ever gone into your employer and told them you would like to take less money for the week/month/year because of your under-performance and because you want to 'help out the team?' Were you ever seriously injured on the job and told your employer to cut your salary and workmans comp because you want to be nice and didn't live up to expectations? Gimmeabreak.

Because of the injury issues facing the NFL player, they rightfully should be paid for the time they are not on the field when they get seriously injured when on the field. Iupati didn't get a 'free paycheck.' He got the money coming to him as a result of the injury he suffered. Where do you come up with the notion that Iupati was helping out the team by taking a pay cut?? It was a business decision by both him and the Cards on the contract restructure.

You are expressing way more hostility toward HB than is deserved. Check the source of your anger and why you want to degrade HB even as he is no longer on the roster.
 

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8? He was originally guaranteed about $19mil if he were on the roster now. Even cutting $3mill off that for cap room in 2018 he lost at least $9mil in 2018 - the amount the Cards are carrying in dead money.

Foolhardy

Do we know this for a fact? If the cards offered hi 8 mil, how much was guaranteed? Did they remove the rest of the years from the contract? Was it one year 8 mil straight, or was is 5 with incentives? We'll probably never know, but 7 can be more than 8 when it comes to structure of a contract.
 
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Do we know this for a fact? If the cards offered hi 8 mil, how much was guaranteed? Did they remove the rest of the contract? Was it one year 8 mil straight, or was is 5 with incentives? We'll probably never know, but 7 can be more than 8 when it comes to structure of a contract.


I don’t know what they’re teaching up there in Wisconsin but in no math of any kind is seven more than eight ;)
 

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I don’t know what they’re teaching up there in Wisconsin but in no math of any kind is seven more than eight ;)

I think you need to step away from the camera the flash has tainted your eyes. If you get 8 mil but only 5 up front and the other 3 is incentives that you don't earn because you got hurt, then his 6.5 is more than 8. Is my point.

Its not math it's contract language.
 

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States that don’t have state taxes get it from you in other ways. It still takes the same amount of money to run the state.
 

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Do we know this for a fact? If the cards offered hi 8 mil, how much was guaranteed? Did they remove the rest of the years from the contract? Was it one year 8 mil straight, or was is 5 with incentives? We'll probably never know, but 7 can be more than 8 when it comes to structure of a contract.
We'll never know the negotiated/cut amount, but in the original contract he was due just under $6mil in 2018 in base salary and a $4mil roster bonus. If he was on the roster on march 16th his 2019 salary of $9mil became guaranteed too. Even if that were knocked down by $3mill he's still behind by at least $9mil in guaranteed salary by choosing to not take a pay cut or renegotiate.

If the Cards wanted to convert some of that $11mil due in 2018 to a signing bonus, HB was foolish not to. If they wanted to straight up cut his salary, I can see his frustration, but he's still foolish to walk away from the rest of the contract.

He'll need to have a pro-bowl type season to get a contract that recoups that.
 
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We'll never know the negotiated/cut amount, but in the original contract he was due just under $6mil in 2018 in base salary and a $4mil roster bonus. If he was on the roster on march 16th his 2019 salary of $9mil became guaranteed too. Even if that were knocked down by $3mill he's still behind by at least $9mil in guaranteed salary by choosing to not take a pay cut or renegotiate.

If the Cards wanted to convert some of that $11mil due in 2018 to a signing bonus, HB was foolish not to. If they wanted to straight up cut his salary, I can see his frustration, but he's still foolish to walk away from the rest of the contract.

He'll need to have a pro-bowl type season to get a contract that recoups that.

The original contract was out the window when they began to talk about restructure/pay cut. It's a whole new contract at that point. Did the other two years exist with the restructured deal? Ndamukong Sue signed a 6 year 114 million with a total guaranteed 59.995 mil. What did he actually get? Forty Million is what he actually took home, so we can't go by "agent talk", when it comes to these guys contracts. He may have lost money he may not have. My point is we'll never know, all we can say is he took the offer from the place he felt was best for him. I was surprised that he signed so soon, and did not explore his options more, maybe he didn't have any more options?
 
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Sick of hearing how the Cardinals let such a good player go. In my opinion he is still overpaid.
 

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4.5% highest state tax rate in AZ. Doesn't make up for the extra million not even close and thats only if he reaches the 7 since it is incentive based.
Maybe he wanted to play on a playoff contender? And the Texans with DeShaun Watson back plus the upgrades they’ve made this summer are very much so a playoff contender.
 

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Sick of hearing how the Cardinals let such a good player go. In my opinion he is still overpaid.

Who on this thread is making you sick and has complained that the Cards "let such a good player go?"

I defended his contract decision but I also acknowledge that his play last year was middle-of-the-pack.

No problem with stating your opinion that he is still overpaid.
 
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