Horrific news about our defensive philosophy

[Arizona's Finest]

I officially take back this statement. Overreaction, but I still prefer if we picked one or the other. Davis better be more aggressive than Pendy, though.

This is the key. I think we will run a base 3-4 but the reality is that there are some points in a game where running a 4-3 is the smarter thing to do. If you have the personnel why wouldn't you use both as the situation predicated.

My problem with Pendy was lack of agression at times and being a 4-3 while using the 3-4 at times. I don't think you can do that. I think if its going to be succesful it has to be a 3-4 base that incorporates the 4-3 intermittently.

The 3-4 is to difficult to try and use once in awhile if its not practiced the majority of the time and personnel is picked based on a 4-3.

I feel it can be done the other way around IMO though and thats what WIz wants to do....

 

[Shogun]

"In Whiz I Trust" sounds like a cult-like chant.

Kind of creepy.

 

[Stout]

'Twas funny. Did u see the wrestler? Not really sute about it. Thought it was okay when I saw it, but I like it even more a day later.

Haven't had the chance, no. It isn't playing near me. I'll probably have to wait for DVD.

 

[CardinalChris]

I am less concerned about the alignment than the cover scheme and the blitz packages. We have several players who fit both schemes. Not sure how a hybrid defense hurts us in any way.

 

[Stout]

I am less concerned about the alignment than the cover scheme and the blitz packages. We have several players who fit both schemes. Not sure how a hybrid defense hurts us in any way.

Not being able to run one full defense effectively. The 3-4 isn't a defense you just decide to use. You have to work at it. Most teams that attempt it full-time can't even get it right.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I bet I know why Butler didn't want to come here, and I don't blame him. We now know that Whisenhunt wants to run the jack-of-all-trades, master of none defense. He has now stated publicly that it won't be a 3-4 or a 4-3, but a bastardization of the two. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! I love Whis as a coach, but this philosophy SUCKS. We're going to wind up...AGAIN...not being able to run either one to perfection. PICK A PHILOSOPHY AND STICK TO IT! God, do I HATE this idea. We are officially stuck with it.

http://www.azcardinals.com/blog/post.php?author=1&id=1680

I'm HORRIFIED!!!

 

[Stout]

I'm HORRIFIED!!!

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Another fantastic thread full of conjecture and overreaction on the ASFN. Glad we can all be consistent.

Said the guy who has been here a month.....

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Not being able to run one full defense effectively. The 3-4 isn't a defense you just decide to use. You have to work at it. Most teams that attempt it full-time can't even get it right.

Like I said in my post I think the 3-4 as a base with some elements of 4-3 CAN be succesful.

 

[conraddobler]

Who says it's not the next big thing in defenses?

I mean wouldn't changing it up be harder to perpare for than one or the other?

In the case of the changeup, neither one has to be the best 4-3 or 3-4 played, just the fact that the other team has to adjust to both could make it overall better than either one.

This is really worrying about something too far in advance, let's see how the new guy does first.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

FROM WHIZ:

“I think as an offensive coach, having faced a 3-4 team, having faced a team that could so some elements of the 4-3 as well, it’s difficult to prepare. And that’s ultimately what we’re trying to do. We’re trying to make it difficult for opponent’s offenses. … I can’t sit here and say we’re going to be a 3-4 team. A lot of people have said that but we’re not going to be a straight 3-4 defense. We’re going to do something very similar to what we’ve done the last two years. We’re just going to play it better.”

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Edit: Sorry. I lost my head. Go ahead and panic. Whisenhunt got a flawed team to a super bowl. Clearly, he's got his head up his ass. We should interpret every decision he makes as idiotic.

LOL, agreed.

 

[bg7brd]

FROM WHIZ:

“I think as an offensive coach, having faced a 3-4 team, having faced a team that could so some elements of the 4-3 as well, it’s difficult to prepare. And that’s ultimately what we’re trying to do. We’re trying to make it difficult for opponent’s offenses. … I can’t sit here and say we’re going to be a 3-4 team. A lot of people have said that but we’re not going to be a straight 3-4 defense. We’re going to do something very similar to what we’ve done the last two years. We’re just going to play it better.”

That sounds "horrifying"

 

[Goldfield]

Jeez, Stout, you are a fear monger sometimes. In an earlier Urban blog, Whisenhunt said Davis would incorporate more true 3-4 options than before but wanted to keep the ability to use some 4-3 as a change-up.

THAT is the real story.

Edit: Sorry. I lost my head. Go ahead and panic. Whisenhunt got a flawed team to a super bowl. Clearly, he's got his head up his ass. We should interpret every decision he makes as idiotic.

The voice of reason...

 

[Stout]

Fine. I don't give Whis a blank pass to do anything at all just because we made the Super Bowl. In fact, I've said one bad thing about what he wants to do out of everything that's going on, so that makes me crazy. So very sorry to have stepped on so many toes around here.

Fine. So I don't like this hybrid defense. I guess since all you geniuses think it's fine and dandy, my opinion can't possibly have any validity. I guess since our defense has been so tough the last few years, it's a great idea to keep at it from a slightly different angle. I'm off the wall in how crazy I am not to like this idea. Fine.

I didn't know this board had ceased to be a place where anyone could voice an opinion outside of common consenus. I'm terribly sorry to have disturbed everyone's little world by being the voice of insanity. Cleary, insanity isn't NOT liking a continued trend of an unsuccessful defense. My fault. I'm so sorry to have opened my mouth. Carry on, because I guess I'm just completely out of my mind.

Oh, and if you haven't caught it, I offer you all up a whole heaping helping of Way to go, folks...mob style!

 

[Mulli]

The mob would also ask that you get a new haircut, avatar, and EPL team.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

What I see Whiz to do is coach outside of the box and it throws everyone for a loop because he isn't like everyone else. Well it is working IMO... And as far as our D goes it wasn't the 3-4 vs. 4-3 split it was the play calling by Pendy that annoyed me!!! Our D was very aggressive and then when they needed to be aggrssive they sat on their collective asses via conservative play calling. That is all Pendy!!!

 

[az1965]

In other words, the same hybrid scheme that Pendy got dumped because of. It exposes us to BIG PASSING PLAYS. Evidenced by the Philly NFC Championship game and the SB!

Pendy was not let go because of his "hybrid" schemes... it was more due to soft zone, prevent defense at key moements of games. Also, Whiz clarifies the red zone efficiency last two years as one of the reason Pendy was let go.

 

[splitsecond]

Said the guy who has been here a month.....

Here we go again. Because when I signed up for specific forum has everything to do with my knowledge of defensive schemes and football in general.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Fine. I don't give Whis a blank pass to do anything at all just because we made the Super Bowl. In fact, I've said one bad thing about what he wants to do out of everything that's going on, so that makes me crazy. So very sorry to have stepped on so many toes around here.

Fine. So I don't like this hybrid defense. I guess since all you geniuses think it's fine and dandy, my opinion can't possibly have any validity. I guess since our defense has been so tough the last few years, it's a great idea to keep at it from a slightly different angle. I'm off the wall in how crazy I am not to like this idea. Fine.

I didn't know this board had ceased to be a place where anyone could voice an opinion outside of common consenus. I'm terribly sorry to have disturbed everyone's little world by being the voice of insanity. Cleary, insanity isn't NOT liking a continued trend of an unsuccessful defense. My fault. I'm so sorry to have opened my mouth. Carry on, because I guess I'm just completely out of my mind.

Oh, and if you haven't caught it, I offer you all up a whole heaping helping of Way to go, folks...mob style!

Geniuses hardly require the "sarcasm" smilie, they can recognize it.

Read Whiz in his own words in my earlier post, it may give you some sense of his thinking.

3-4 - 4-3 hybrids are confusing, and what is needed is to play the various schemes better.

IQ: 134

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Here we go again. Because when I signed up for specific forum has everything to do with my knowledge of defensive schemes and football in general.

You haven't been here long enough newby to say, "here we go again."

 

[Syracusecards]

I'm all for having flexibility, as long as it A) Is because it plays to the strength of the players we have on the field, or B) It's an adjustment to neutralize the opponents offense.

The 3-4/4-3 wasn't really the problem, it was Pendy playing his cb's 10 yards off the receiver. It was also Pendy rushing only 3 guys. It might as well have been a 3-8 in some of his schemes.

If we're more versatile, it will be better for us down the stretch. Eventually, teams figure out how to beat a defense. If that defense can't adapt to keep the offense off balance, the offense will dictate to the defense all day.

 

[dscher]

The pure fact that so many of you disagree with this philosophy makes me think we might actually be onto something here.. and our defense will now probably finish top 10 in the league!

 

[Skkorpion]

Pendy was not let go because of his "hybrid" schemes... it was more due to soft zone, prevent defense at key moements of games. Also, Whiz clarifies the red zone efficiency last two years as one of the reason Pendy was let go.

Thank you. That is the essence of it.

Stout, you are too sensitive. The curse of being artistic. I PMed you. Mulli tried to ease things. Don't go cutting off your ear and sending it to some pox-ridden ***** you love, eh? Van Gogh did that already.

 

[Skkorpion]

The pure fact that so many of you disagree with this philosophy makes me think we might actually be onto something here.. and our defense will now probably finish top 10 in the league!

Oh crap, you jinxed us now. Don't you know nuttin'?