Horton interview (Somers)

[BigRedRage]

meh cant get article will have to read later.

 

[gamebird98]

Very Impressive...I was one who definately wanted Reid..now Im not so sure. Really respect a guy who has a plan before he even gets the job!...I wish him well.

 

[Buckybird]

The only way Horton is a good hire is if he brings Turner in to run the offense.

That's ridiculous & simply not true.

Give me a great QB over Norv anyday

 

[HoodieBets]

That's ridiculous & simply not true.

Give me a great QB over Norv anyday

You got one you can pull out of your magic hat that will play for us next year? Norv can turn Kolb into a middle of the pack QB a crappy OC will turn Kolb into what he has been since hes been here. The coach is just as important you cant just stick anyone in there unless you have a manning or brady type QB and that aint happening.

Reid will bring Shurmur and Childress thats why I like that hire even if we draft a QB all three of those guys are known for grooming QBs and getting the most out of them.

 

[Russ Smith]

attitude doesn't win games, Ill take experience over a press conference any day of the week. The only way Horton is a good hire is if he brings Turner in to run the offense.

so then we should hire Reid who as I said in another thread has essentially gotten whatever he wanted for several years in Philly and couldn't get it done there. He won yes, but given the support and talent they had should have won more.

I don't think Reid is a bad coach, but I think he's experienced enough to know he's not a great coach either.

If I thought we could get him AND Horton i'd be ok with it but I don't get the impression that's going to happen.

I'll wait and see but I think Horton is impressive, you can't tell until the guy is on the job.

Remember lots of experts here said Horton was in over his head his first year as DC, it takes awhile to put in a new system and once he did, it was great. If he gets the HC job I expect it'll take awhile for him to put in his system there too.

 

[Buckybird]

You got one you can pull out of your magic hat that will play for us next year? Norv can turn Kolb into a middle of the pack QB a crappy OC will turn Kolb into what he has been since hes been here. The coach is just as important you cant just stick anyone in there unless you have a manning or brady type QB and that aint happening.

Reid will bring Shurmur and Childress thats why I like that hire even if we draft a QB all three of those guys are known for grooming QBs and getting the most out of them.

And Kolb gets hurt in week 5, then what? I guess Norv will go in & throw the rock then. Norv isn't the be all, end all. The new HC has to have a backup qb plan. Like I said earlier it's going to take 2 years to re-invent this offense given the Oline, RB & QB issues.

My plan...if Kolb redoes his deal at about 4 mil I keep him. I also trade for Colt McCoy & draft a QB in rd 1-2.

 

[HoodieBets]

And Kolb gets hurt in week 5, then what? I guess Norv will go in & throw the rock then. Norv isn't the be all, end all. The new HC has to have a backup qb plan. Like I said earlier it's going to take 2 years to re-invent this offense given the Oline, RB & QB issues.

My plan...if Kolb redoes his deal at about 4 mil I keep him. I also trade for Colt McCoy & draft a QB in rd 1-2.

If we trade for Colt Mccoy I'd puke in my cardinals stocking. I dont mind drafting a QB but who would groom him? Who would Horton have on his staff that has any clue about QB's. With the roster we have we need an expert play caller and someone who can groom a future QB. Reid has that staff Im not sold that Horton does.

 

[desertdawg]

I just surfed a couple/few Browns forums and the Horton talk on them is zero to nada. Might not mean anything but with their defense and situation, I thought that' where the most chatter would be from the fans.

What other team's fans are out there hoping for some cornrow to run the show?

 

[Buckybird]

If we trade for Colt Mccoy I'd puke in my cardinals stocking. I dont mind drafting a QB but who would groom him? Who would Horton have on his staff that has any clue about QB's. With the roster we have we need an expert play caller and someone who can groom a future QB. Reid has that staff Im not sold that Horton does.

Who knows who Horton might get as OC. Maybe it is Turner, maybe not? But to say the only way the offense is going to be good is hiring Reid or Turner IMO is naive.

Yeah, that staff of Reid's has been sooooo successful recently & that's why he's available after being fired. I think Reid is soooo much like Wiz in how he handled things, it's funny. I also think Reid needs time away from the game. Ask yourself this...who traded Kevin Kolb?

I want something new, young & hungry who seams bright & creative.. Give me Ray Horton

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Love it! I've always believed that you can learn how to succeed by watching how others fail. Let others show you how not to do it, and you can know pitfalls to avoid.



Whether you agree with KK as the QB or not, the handling of all this WAS poor. Same way it was done with ALL the QBs. This is a very telling comment, and it seems to be one of those "bad things" that Ray saw in Whis that he isn't going to do.

The moment I saw the "bad things" answers I immediately started to wonder how many of these "bad things" did he learn from Whiz.

 

[HoodieBets]

Who knows who Horton might get as OC. Maybe it is Turner, maybe not? But to say the only way the offense is going to be good is hiring Reid or Turner IMO is naive.

Yeah, that staff of Reid's has been sooooo successful recently & that's why he's available after being fired. I think Reid is soooo much like Wiz in how he handled things, it's funny. I also think Reid needs time away from the game. Ask yourself this...who traded Kevin Kolb?

I want something new, young & hungry who seams bright & creative.. Give me Ray Horton

He has more success than any canidate on the market and say what you will but they traded Kolb because Vick was putting up MVP numbers.

If you want something new young and hungry I suggest you get a puppy

 

[az jam]

An excellent interview. I like Horton's passion. Note that Ray is 52 years of age. He has been in the NFL as a player and coach for 30 years. He knows the game.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

He has a staff plan and he said his OC andDC would be experts at there postions. That's all we have to go off of.

That is something we did not have last year. I'm sure Miller is a good guy and all but he is definitely not an expert of the NFL offense.

 

[desertdawg]

The one constant in all of this, whether we are talking Mikey, Reid, Horton, and sometimes Keim is Kevin Kolb. This means our O-line hire must be a miracle maker, a true guru of the heavy bodied. With out some fat man magic or a multi million dollar acquisition, we better keep the body chalk handy. I guess all that goes into scheming, and Kolb did take a gang of shots before he finally crumbled but everyone of these cats better have a better back up QB plan than just the Skelton, Lindley, Hoyer types Whiz sunk his own battleship with. I do hope Kolb can make it through a whole season.

 

[conraddobler]

I remember the Quin Snyder hire at Mizzou, he gave one of the most impressive interviews anyone had ever seen, then....

Saying the right thing in an interview is what people do, anyone can Google what to say in an interview.

I'm not saying he won't be good but people get hired all the time who later suck, they said the right things at the time, it's just not that big an indicator, after years of hiring people I didn't get good until I started ignoring what they said.

Not to say if they say something stupid you can't hold it against them, you can but people aren't themselves in an interview, you have to go by other cues a lot of times.

He's hungry and wants the job, that's good, he was on the staff that built a losing team and he had a defense give up, just give up, that's bad.

I wouldn't do it personally but it's their money.

 

[kerouac9]

The one constant in all of this, whether we are talking Mikey, Reid, Horton, and sometimes Keim is Kevin Kolb. This means our O-line hire must be a miracle maker, a true guru of the heavy bodied. With out some fat man magic or a multi million dollar acquisition, we better keep the body chalk handy. I guess all that goes into scheming, and Kolb did take a gang of shots before he finally crumbled but everyone of these cats better have a better back up QB plan than just the Skelton, Lindley, Hoyer types Whiz sunk his own battleship with. I do hope Kolb can make it through a whole season.

This is an excellent point. I was continually frustrated by the fact that we didn't seem to have a ton of designed rollouts and bootlegs to protect whatever quarterback was playing from the offensive line. Kolb has plus-mobility; why not use it?

I think that part of the theory this year was that we didn't have an offensive tackle who could be trusted to set and hold the edge in that scenario, but with the number of pulling linemen we use in the run game, certainly we could have pulled SOMEONE out there.

If Rich Orhnberger can pull out from the right guard position and block Clay Matthews four yards outside Nate Potter's left shoulder, we can be more creative.

 

[desertdawg]

This is an excellent point. I was continually frustrated by the fact that we didn't seem to have a ton of designed rollouts and bootlegs to protect whatever quarterback was playing from the offensive line. Kolb has plus-mobility; why not use it?

I think that part of the theory this year was that we didn't have an offensive tackle who could be trusted to set and hold the edge in that scenario, but with the number of pulling linemen we use in the run game, certainly we could have pulled SOMEONE out there.

If Rich Orhnberger can pull out from the right guard position and block Clay Matthews four yards outside Nate Potter's left shoulder, we can be more creative.

Oh yeah. Setting up some nice receiver routes to go with the bootleggin could have gotten Larry some more touches and helped with Kolb's durability not to mention being able to throw the ball away (with out a penalty) which was kind of crucial behind this line. Our O-line and pass schemes become very important if we keep Kev-bo as the starter, I never understood why Whiz couldn't run more play action with all the problems we were facing. Whiz had more shotguns than all of Los Angeles combined.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Urban on Horton and Turner connection

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/01/02/hortons-norv-turner-connection/

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Oh yeah. Setting up some nice receiver routes to go with the bootleggin could have gotten Larry some more touches and helped with Kolb's durability not to mention being able to throw the ball away (with out a penalty) which was kind of crucial behind this line. Our O-line and pass schemes become very important if we keep Kev-bo as the starter, I never understood why Whiz couldn't run more play action with all the problems we were facing. Whiz had more shotguns than all of Los Angeles combined.

Or run more often out of the shotgun. I think he literally had like 2 running plays in his shotgun sets in the playbook. Also that was our best runs quite often.

 

[Russ Smith]

If we trade for Colt Mccoy I'd puke in my cardinals stocking. I dont mind drafting a QB but who would groom him? Who would Horton have on his staff that has any clue about QB's. With the roster we have we need an expert play caller and someone who can groom a future QB. Reid has that staff Im not sold that Horton does.

How can you say that without having any clue who would be on Horton's staff?

 

[jf-08]

Whomever Horton picks as OC, hopefully the 3rd down and 7 play of a 4 yard pass to the TE is not in their playbook.

 

[crisper57]

Whomever Horton picks as OC, hopefully the 3rd down and 7 play of a 4 yard pass to the TE is not in their playbook.

Or the botched screen play.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

That Urban article sure sounds like Turner would be the guy. Thats excellent news. Can he bring Phil Rivers with him?

If its Horton and Turner I 100% see us bringing in Alex Smith and drafting a QB.

 

[Cheesebeef]

That Urban article sure sounds like Turner would be the guy. Thats excellent news. Can he bring Phil Rivers with him?

If its Horton and Turner I 100% see us bringing in Alex Smith and drafting a QB.

i'd be totally down with this plan of attack. I think a Horton/Turner pairing would be pretty great, especially since it doesn't seem like Turner's ever going to get a HC gig again... or at least for a while, which means we'd likely be set with him for at least a couple years as our OC.

 

[LarryStalling]

Awesome. When asked asked if he would still control the defense he said “Nope. I delegate. I think a guy that controls everything, controls nothing."

A lesson the two previous head coaches couldn't learn.

Too true. Kind of what I thought when reading the article.