how bad is James Jones?

[playstation]

don't give me this 'he plays hard-nosed defense' crap. he's a better defender than rose (duh) and banks (doh!) and thus gets in the game. that's it.

offensively, to call him horrendous would be to paint a rosy picture of the situation. the man gets open look after open look....clang....

there are 406 players in the NBA, James Jones is ranked #388 in shooting percentage at a whopping 25%. and he gets up almost 5 shots a game, so these aren't extremely small sample sizes here. the blind do better. 97% of the NBA is better than a supposed 'shooter'???

how in the hell is this tolerated? do we assume that he'll magically get better? is this acceptable for the rest of the season?

why not just put in jumaine? or even sean marks at this point?

 

[JCSunsfan]

Well, I was going to give you the hard-nosed defender stuff--which is true. But since you don't want to hear it, there is no conversation to be had.

The coach likes him, and I like the coach.

 

[Ryanwb]

You can't have superstars at all 12 positions

 

[playstation]

You can't have superstars at all 12 positions

LOL

is that the best defense for James Jones???

SAD

put jumaine in the game...

 

[The Commish]

Defense and he's a smart player. Rodman couldn't score but he could rebound and defend. Jones is no Rodman, but he does bring a lot of the little things that coaches want. Seriously though, where happened to his shot this year?

 

[playstation]

Defense and he's a smart player. Rodman couldn't score but he could rebound and defend. Jones is no Rodman, but he does bring a lot of the little things that coaches want. Seriously though, where happened to his shot this year?

gotta love the 'intangibles' argument...'he does A LOT of things, its just that we can't SEE them' LOL

but i'm sure you're right. the intangibles are probably reflected in his +/- and roland rating...no, wait, that sucks donkey balls too =(

http://www.82games.com/0607/06PHO7D.HTM

the only way to explain this is that d'antoni has a man-crush on james...now i'm not against no man-lovin, but there's a time and a place...

 

[basketballfan]

I've been watching James play for a long time and he IS a good shooter. Reggie Miller (One of the best shooters ever) would agree with that. He's struggling this year, but there are signs that he's starting to get it together. I think that he'll find his shot by the playoffs, and most of you will regret some of the stuff you say. He's a good, hard working kid that I'm rooting for to come out his slump. I cheer for guys like James. Besides, he's one of a few suns over the last 2 or 3 years that does good things for the team and gives good effort even when he can't buy a bucket. His J will come. It's like Eddie Johnson always says; He has great mechanics and he has confidence, he just has to find his rhythm. Eddie knows shooting so I believe what he says. It'll come.

 

[playstation]

I've been watching James play for a long time and he IS a good shooter.

oh...my bad...there i go looking at the cold hard facts again.

lifetime shooting percentage: 39.5%.



look, here's my point: i believe mike d'antoni has an IRRATIONAL hope that james jones will suddenly find his shot. this hope was created because he likes james as a person, thinks of him as a hard working guy, and wants to reward effort. defensively, show me ONE stat that says he's doing well. you will find NOTHING. i watch the games too. he gets in decent defensive position, that's it.

unfortunately, james is NOT an extremely confident individual, his shot is NOT falling, and rather than forcing him to prove himself repeatedly in practice, he gets all sorts of burn during games.

this is NOT a sound decision, especially when you have other guys that can play behind him. in fact, that is quite unfair to guys like rose, jumaine, and even sean marks and pike.

 

[Amare32]

JR proved he could shoot last year, he has struggled this year but made up for it with defense, hussle, blocking some shots and getting some rebounds.

 

[HooverDam]

Ben Wallace can't score either, but he gets playing time.

Jones is a good defender and rebounder, and an EXCELLENT hustler (probably hustles more than anyone on the team). Obviously, he's not as good at any of those things as Wallace, and his playing time reflects that. If Jones could ever be consistent at catching a shooting a midrange shot or the 3, he'd be very valuable to the Suns.

EDIT: Furthermore, being the Coach of the year, having back to back 50+ win seasons, being the best player and coach in the history of Italy>some dude on a message board. I'll trust D'Antoni.

 

[basketballfan]

oh...my bad...there i go looking at the cold hard facts again.

lifetime shooting percentage: 39.5%.



look, here's my point: i believe mike d'antoni has an IRRATIONAL hope that james jones will suddenly find his shot. this hope was created because he likes james as a person, thinks of him as a hard working guy, and wants to reward effort. defensively, show me ONE stat that says he's doing well. you will find NOTHING. i watch the games too. he gets in decent defensive position, that's it.

unfortunately, james is NOT an extremely confident individual, his shot is NOT falling, and rather than forcing him to prove himself repeatedly in practice, he gets all sorts of burn during games.

this is NOT a sound decision, especially when you have other guys that can play behind him. in fact, that is quite unfair to guys like rose, jumaine, and even sean marks and pike.

Ok, but look at his three point percentage cause when I say shooter, I basically mean a 3 point shooter. If you discount his rookie year when he barely played and this year, he's close to 40%. There's nothing wrong with that. You'll always have a job if you hit 40% of your threes. Besides, you can't always judge players by stats. He's a good shooter and it'll come.

 

[devilalum]

I'd love a quality big but it would also be nice to see the Suns trade Banks for a guy who can shoot the ball.

 

[Gaddabout]

I was *just* thinking James Jones is the kind of player Bowen doesn't like to face because Bowen takes more of the beating and has to do more underneath the basket. Bowen also has to work harder on the offensive end because James just plows through picks of a lesser nature.

Sometimes it's the game within the game that makes a player more valuable to a coach than the fan.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Defense and he's a smart player. Rodman couldn't score but he could rebound and defend. Jones is no Rodman, but he does bring a lot of the little things that coaches want. Seriously though, where happened to his shot this year?

It comes back with the new ball. His mechanics are there. Watch.

At least if it does. I can use that as an excuse.

Also expect a lot of Barbosa's layups to go in and out again.

 

[slinslin]

James Jones is the worst Suns player to actually get minutes I have seen in the last decade.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

James Jones is the worst Suns player to actually get minutes I have seen in the last decade.

James Jones shot very well last year. I made a mistake by giving up on Barbosa too early. I don't want to make the same mistake on Jones.

 

[pokerface]

James Jones makes me wish for Eddie House which is saying something. It finally gives me something good to say about House which should please a couple posters...maybe

 

[Black Jesus]

James is not bad for an 8th player that is a forward. If he were that bad and were a guard or center, it would be much more noticable. But because we have Marion who can play 3 and 4, Amare who can play 4 or 5, and Diaw who can play 345, James doesnt have to see the court that much.

HOW BAD IS BANKS!

 

[slinslin]

Not as bad as Jones, 25% shooting cmon... His stats are awful in every regard.

 

[hawaiiansun]

D'antoni is waiting until the old ball comes back and is giving James another chance, and if he doesnt improve the shot then that just sucks!

 

[JS22]

Jones is just in a horrible funk this season. Give him the rest of the year and see how he pans out.

For as bad as his shooting may be he's a career 40% 3pt shooter, which is pretty damn good. However, if he can't find his shot by the end of the year it's time to say goodbye.

 

[basketballfan]

Jones is just in a horrible funk this season. Give him the rest of the year and see how he pans out.

For as bad as his shooting may be he's a career 40% 3pt shooter, which is pretty damn good. However, if he can't find his shot by the end of the year it's time to say goodbye.

I think he will pan out. Shooting percentages usually even out. I think he'll catch fire this year and that will bring him into the 40%-50% range. Just look at Raja. He started out the year cold, then got incredibly hot, then went cold until the second half of the Sacremento game when he got hot again. Now he's shooting 42% from threes which is close to what he got last year, so percentages even out. Jones is shooting 31% from downtown this year, so he'll start hitting them and his percentage will end up around 40%, which is plenty good.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

Well I'm not sure Jones is going to be the real deal, I dont want to go against the organization that chose:Marion, Amare, Joe Johnson (trade), Nash, Finley, Majerle. They must be convinced he is going to turn it around because he seems to be playing quite a bit lately.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well I'm not sure Jones is going to be the real deal, I dont want to go against the organization that chose:Marion, Amare, Joe Johnson (trade), Nash, Finley, Majerle. They must be convinced he is going to turn it around because he seems to be playing quite a bit lately.

that's out of necessity more than anything else IMO. You can't run 7 guys all season, especially with the pace we play at. I also think it speaks volumes about how horrific Jalen and Jumaine must be... or how stubborn DA might be,

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Jones > Banks

Banks > Stephen Hawking

Steven Hawking's mouse > Banks.

= Jones teh suK