How good is Winston?

[NashDishesDimes]

Sorry for the secondary thread but the other Eric Winston thread seems to be about the front office and the job they did, not Winston as a player. Theres a lot of people saying Winston is a backup which i was surprised about, so i did a little research.

Profootballfocus ratings for last year in KC:

#9 overall RT in NFL
#7th overall RT in pass pro
#4 overall RT in the run game

He missed one snap last season.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1557351-chiefs-release-rt-eric-winston-redskins-should-take-note

Sounds like a starter to me. Cards just bolstered their run game big time IMO.

 

[Buckybird]

He's the best OT on our roster...nuff said!!!

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Dude is fo'real!

 

[82CardsGrad]

He's the best OT on our roster...nuff said!!!

Which means he could qualify as a potential back-up somewhere else in the NFL...

 

[Bodha]

Sorry for the secondary thread but the other Eric Winston thread seems to be about the front office and the job they did, not Winston as a player. Theres a lot of people saying Winston is a backup which i was surprised about, so i did a little research.

Profootballfocus ratings for last year in KC:

#9 overall RT in NFL
#7th overall RT in pass pro
#4 overall RT in the run game

He missed one snap last season.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1557351-chiefs-release-rt-eric-winston-redskins-should-take-note

Sounds like a starter to me. Cards just bolstered their run game big time IMO.

I think you answered your own question. Clearly hes pretty damn good at being a RT

 

[Quinn McCollum]

He a good ZBS RT. Still hope Massie beat him out for the RT spot.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

He a good ZBS RT. Still hope Massie beat him out for the RT spot.

I doubt it, possibly. Im hoping they kick Levi inside to replace Colledge and let Massie and Potter sword fight for thr LT spot

Massie/Potter
Cooper
Sendlein
Levi
Winston

Looks incredibly improved over last season to me. The run game will have improved 10 fold in comparison to last year.

The run game to the right with Cooper pulling has potential to be top 5 with that setup IMO

 

[Unsterblich856]

People were suspicious in the other thread about why he got cut two seasons in a row but it certainly wasn't because of his play but rather getting the short end of the stick. Winston was cut by the Texans since they couldn't afford his contract (they were incredibly screwed with cap space that year, main reason why Mario Williams walked), and then he was cut by the Chiefs since he was the odd man out with Brandon Albert and their 1st overall pick Eric Fischer.

Assuming Winston's play doesn't suffer a dropoff this season, he's going to be the best tackle we've had in quite awhile. I think it was the 2011 season where he blew every RT away in the PFT rankings. He was at one point the undisputed best right tackle in the league, and he still has plenty left in the tank.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

People were suspicious in the other thread about why he got cut two seasons in a row but it certainly wasn't because of his play but rather getting the short end of the stick. Winston was cut by the Texans since they couldn't afford his contract (they were incredibly screwed with cap space that year, main reason why Mario Williams walked), and then he was cut by the Chiefs since he was the odd man out with Brandon Albert and their 1st overall pick Eric Fischer.

Assuming Winston's play doesn't suffer a dropoff this season, he's going to be the best tackle we've had in quite awhile. I think it was the 2011 season where he blew every RT away in the PFT rankings. He was at one point the undisputed best right tackle in the league, and he still has plenty left in the tank.

Agree with all your thoughts.

 

[cardpa]

If BA goes the conservative route then Winston is a fixture at RT and Brown/Massie/Potter fight it out over the LT spot with the loser moving inside to replace Colledge with Colledge getting released.

IF BA experiments then Winston gets a trial run at LT in pre-season (kind of a risky proposition) however if it works out then you have Massie and Brown duking it out for the RT spot.

All in all it will be a very interesting training camp.

 

[Totally_Red]

How good is Eric Winston?

Not as good as Brandon Albert or as good and versatile as Eric Fisher.

Probably the best right tackle on the Cardinals' roster.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I am excited about this signing. Finally bringing in some top flight talent for the Oline.

It will be interesting where they all will be playing making the preseason even more fun to watch.

 

[CardsFan88]

While it's still early what I'm excited about is that moves such as these showcase that Keim/Arians are paying attention. They're paying attention to what the other teams do or want to do and manage to benefit off the talent these moves expose to them. They notice the exposure, and act on it.

They wanted a QB, felt Palmer might be available, he was, got him cheaply.
We noticed that by circumstance a quality and durable tackle was available, and got him cheaply.

If our front office can do these sorts of things year in and year out, we will be very successful.

Let alone all the guys we got signed really cheaply, but some of that is because of the CBA. Though Keim noticed and took advantage.

The common theme so far regarding Keim/Arians is..... they notice, and act. Winston is a perfect example of this.

(sure better the Graves who wouldn't notice and couldn't act)

Obviously more then one offseason is needed to form a trend, but finding quality players in this manner consistently can make the difference in winning a Lombardi trophy.

 

[kerouac9]

FootballOutsiders annual says that Winston took more snaps than any other member of the KC offensive line.

10 penalties
2.5 sacks
17 blown blocks in pass pro
6.5 blown run blocks.

Just to provide some comparison, New England's Sebastian Vollmer had 5 penalties, 5 sacks, 16 blown blocks in pass pro, and 6 blown run blocks in 15 games.

Minnesota's Phil Loadholt (the player that the Cards hoped they were getting when they drafted Brandon Keith) had a similar number of snaps with 11 penalties, 3.8 sacks, 16.3 blown pass blocks, and 6 blown run blocks.

He also appeared to discuss his situation on the Ross Tucker Football Podcast on July 17, and was a pretty great interview: http://www.sportsusamedia.com/_blog/Ross_Tucker_Football_Podcast/post/free-agent-eric-winston/

IMO, Winston might be one of the most overrated tackles in the NFL. He's not bad, but he's not as good as all the enthusiasm here would suggest.

 

[Mulli]

FootballOutsiders annual says that Winston took more snaps than any other member of the KC offensive line.

10 penalties
2.5 sacks
17 blown blocks in pass pro
6.5 blown run blocks.

Just to provide some comparison, New England's Sebastian Vollmer had 5 penalties, 5 sacks, 16 blown blocks in pass pro, and 6 blown run blocks in 15 games.

Minnesota's Phil Loadholt (the player that the Cards hoped they were getting when they drafted Brandon Keith) had a similar number of snaps with 11 penalties, 3.8 sacks, 16.3 blown pass blocks, and 6 blown run blocks.

He also appeared to discuss his situation on the Ross Tucker Football Podcast on July 17, and was a pretty great interview: http://www.sportsusamedia.com/_blog/Ross_Tucker_Football_Podcast/post/free-agent-eric-winston/

IMO, Winston might be one of the most overrated tackles in the NFL. He's not bad, but he's not as good as all the enthusiasm here would suggest.

Good stuff.

1) you listen to Ross Tucker?
2) your final comment smacks of Levi brown to me for some reason.

 

[kerouac9]

Good stuff.

1) you listen to Ross Tucker?
2) your final comment smacks of Levi brown to me for some reason.

1) Ross Tucker for 35 minutes three times a week is fine for me. I listen to 10-12 hours of podcasts a week, so my barrier to entry is somewhat low (just like your mom's).

2) I don't know. Maybe "most overrated tackles" is a little extreme. How many tackles in the NFL that are rated in general? Maybe I mean that his ability probably doesn't add up to the amount of media attention he gets.

One absolute positive is that it brings in another veteran leader to a fairly young offensive line group. Hopefully we can decide on a starting unit fairly quickly and these guys can get some cohesion going in the preseason.

Expect a fairly ugly preseason schedule, though.

 

[Mulli]

My mom is a saint!

 

[TRW]

He's the best OT on our roster...nuff said!!!

This

 

[GuernseyCard]

FootballOutsiders annual says that Winston took more snaps than any other member of the KC offensive line.

10 penalties
2.5 sacks
17 blown blocks in pass pro
6.5 blown run blocks.

Just to provide some comparison, New England's Sebastian Vollmer had 5 penalties, 5 sacks, 16 blown blocks in pass pro, and 6 blown run blocks in 15 games.

Minnesota's Phil Loadholt (the player that the Cards hoped they were getting when they drafted Brandon Keith) had a similar number of snaps with 11 penalties, 3.8 sacks, 16.3 blown pass blocks, and 6 blown run blocks.

He also appeared to discuss his situation on the Ross Tucker Football Podcast on July 17, and was a pretty great interview: http://www.sportsusamedia.com/_blog/Ross_Tucker_Football_Podcast/post/free-agent-eric-winston/

IMO, Winston might be one of the most overrated tackles in the NFL. He's not bad, but he's not as good as all the enthusiasm here would suggest.

A five year rundown, not one, would give us all a better idea if he's over or under rated.

 

[binkar]

People were suspicious in the other thread about why he got cut two seasons in a row but it certainly wasn't because of his play but rather getting the short end of the stick. Winston was cut by the Texans since they couldn't afford his contract (they were incredibly screwed with cap space that year, main reason why Mario Williams walked), and then he was cut by the Chiefs since he was the odd man out with Brandon Albert and their 1st overall pick Eric Fischer.

Assuming Winston's play doesn't suffer a dropoff this season, he's going to be the best tackle we've had in quite awhile. I think it was the 2011 season where he blew every RT away in the PFT rankings. He was at one point the undisputed best right tackle in the league, and he still has plenty left in the tank.

I find it less concerning that he was released twice (due to the circumstances you mentioned) and more concerning that he remained on the market for so long and was only able to pull a minimum deal plus incentives. In a league always starved for tackles, why couldn't he get a job.

It's quite perplexing. Many of the self proclaimed media football scouts love him, the analytics/rating sites love him, but the NFL doesn't seem to reflect that. That being said, I'm really excited about the addition. The more options on the OL the better, as we know that's our biggest question mark.

An interesting side note: I remember listening to Greg Cosell on a podcast a few months back, and he mentioned that he knew for a fact that assistant offensive line coach Larry Zierlein viewed Massie as a guard long term.

It will be interesting to see how this develops, but it's great to have options.

 

[kerouac9]

A five year rundown, not one, would give us all a better idea if he's over or under rated.

That's probably true, but FO just introduced this game tracking this year for individual linemen. I don't have access to that data.

I'm basically just saying that guys who justify OMG! I CAN'T BELIEVE WE JUST SIGNED HIM! Tend (1) not to be playing on their third team in three seasons, (2) don't sit on the free agent market until the opening of training camp, and (3) sign one year contracts for the veteran minimum.

I'm sure that happens, and someone's going to find a name to bring up. But it tends not to happen.

 

[Goldfield]

True, but this off-season has been hard on freeagents. I'm just glad we have options now.

 

[seesred]

It will always drive me crazy how statistics are only as good as the person wants him to be. I'll go with the best sounding stats this time. Our line will be upgraded this year and that makes me smile. They saw the weakness and attacked the problem!

GBR
40

 

[Buckybird]

A five year rundown, not one, would give us all a better idea if he's over or under rated.

Yep

And he can't even produce a stat one on poor Levi Brown Though we all know in our minds they are much worse.
Sorry K9 hehe

 

[Buckybird]

I'm basically just saying that guys who justify OMG! I CAN'T BELIEVE WE JUST SIGNED HIM! Tend (1) not to be playing on their third team in three seasons, (2) don't sit on the free agent market until the opening of training camp, and (3) sign one year contracts for the veteran minimum.

I'm sure that happens, and someone's going to find a name to bring up. But it tends not to happen.

Well Quan is playing on his 3rd team in 5 years.