How I See the Draft

[Denny Green Fan]

way i see it - monti has his board - if his board is gone at #16 he's thinking trade back

there are what - two qbs predicted to go in the top 15?
two tackles? a tight end and a couple/few corners?

so 7 or 8 of the first 15 players drafted are going to be edge/dt/lb

question is - who's on monti's board?

Kenneth grant…Derrick Harmon …Walter Nolan…mykell Williams or Shamar Stewart…..I would be happy with any of those….no to pierce or green because of character concerns….no to will johnson injuries

 

[BirdGangThing]

Kenneth grant…Derrick Harmon …Walter Nolan…mykell Williams or Shamar Stewart…..I would be happy with any of those….no to pierce or green because of character concerns….no to will johnson injuries

i don't think there are any qbs or tight ends on monti's board - that's about as far as i got

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

When it comes to WR, I think Egbuka is being overrated. It will be interesting to see what he runs at his pro day tomorrow. Golden, Bond, and the guy from Iowa St. interest me, maybe Burden but that's about it.

 

[Metcalf Rules]

but Ossenfort constantly surprises me. He sees the process of tram building differently.

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Well there's the problem! Other GM's are building teams and Monti is building a tram! Ha ha, jk. Very good insight as always.

 

[oaken1]

The only reason people are stuck on those is because it is one of the strongest groups in the 1st round.

well, and because it matches need. Our new DT is older, last years draft pick has yet to show anything due to injury, and the year befores edge is the same....while sweat gives us a strong 8 sack guy...he should be a 2 on a strong defense..we still need a 12 to 15 sack guy across from him.. Tomlinson and sweat are win now acquisitions, but our youth movement demands we take advantage of the defensive front availability in this draft...a draft with this many red chippers is rare, especially when most of them are defensive front

 

[BritCard]

We have two above average players on the DL. DL is absolutely a need at #16 and/or #47.

You think so. I don't think the FO do.

They will expect DRob to step up, a first round pick from last year. Nichols and Jones contracts are locked in, they get both back after missing most of last year. They get Beej back, a 2nd round pick. And they added Sweat and Tomlinson.

That's 5 guys that weren't here, didn't play or barely played. I think you're going to be disappointed.

 

[BritCard]

The only reason people are stuck on those is because it is one of the strongest groups in the 1st round.

All 32 teams aren't drafting DT or Edge though are they? There are other great players.

 

[BritCard]

well, and because it matches need. Our new DT is older, last years draft pick has yet to show anything due to injury, and the year befores edge is the same....while sweat gives us a strong 8 sack guy...he should be a 2 on a strong defense..we still need a 12 to 15 sack guy across from him.. Tomlinson and sweat are win now acquisitions, but our youth movement demands we take advantage of the defensive front availability in this draft...a draft with this many red chippers is rare, especially when most of them are defensive front

In a deep class you can do that later.

 

[QuebecCard]

I really think people are too stuck on DT and Edge. I think FA has changed the outlook and the FO are more likely to address other needs.

They can now field a team on day one with the additions made in FA.

That said, I don't think the GM will be turning his back on the strength of this draft in round 1 and possibly round 2.

 

[QuebecCard]

Why? Michael Wilson is more of a WR4 than a WR2.

And I love Dortch's big heart, but our WR3 rotation of him and Fehoko doesn't scare anybody.

If you want to say defense is more important than offense, I would probably agree with you.

But let's not act like post-FA the WR room is okay. It's not. It's the weakest part of the offense right now.

Jones. Fehoko is Pascal part deux.

 

[oaken1]

In a deep class you can do that later.

Yeah, we can add more of the same later.
But we need upgrades in the front 7...and the best chance to get those upgrades is in the first 2 rounds.
The odds are highly against any DT we get in the 3rd round or later being any better than Nichols or Jones. Certainly not better or as good as Tomlinson or what we hope Robinson is.
Depth just means there are a lot of them. But the cream rises to the top and has to be drafted there.

This is one Cardinals fan who is tired of always getting the cream of the crap instead of the cream of the crop....and that's exactly what we will get if we don't address the front 7 in the top 2 rounds

 

[SECTION 11]

You think so. I don't think the FO do.

They will expect DRob to step up, a first round pick from last year. Nichols and Jones contracts are locked in, they get both back after missing most of last year. They get Beej back, a 2nd round pick. And they added Sweat and Tomlinson.

That's 5 guys that weren't here, didn't play or barely played. I think you're going to be disappointed.

Agree with this completely.

 

[Chopper0080]

All 32 teams aren't drafting DT or Edge though are they? There are other great players.

Again, there are only two or three non-defensive front players I would take over the likely options at 16.

I'm not going to take a QB, RB, TE, ILB, or S at 16.

That leaves WR, OL, DT, EDGE, and CB.

There is only 1 WR at 16 and that is Matthew Golden...and I am still 50/50 there.

There is pretty much only 1 OL I am taking at 16, Membou. (Maybe Will Campbell)

There is only 1 CB I am taking at 16 and that is Will Johnson.

I have more DT and EDGE that I prefer at 16 than all other positions combined. IMO, that is just how the draft class is looking to shake out at 16.

 

[Chopper0080]

In a deep class you can do that later.

In theory. In application it is easier to do earlier.

I think it is a better argument for round 2. I can understand passing on Nic Scourton in round 2 for Donovan Jackson or Shavon Revel or Demertius Knight because Swinson and Stewart might be there in round 3 or 4.

 

[CardLogic]

I did a mock draft the other day, and it fell quite interestingly! All of the top Edge and DT were taken prior to the Cardinals pick. There were 4 second tier DT still on the board at pick #16 and a couple of second tier Edge players. With that many DL players still on the board it was easily worth the risk to trade down and still get a solid DL. Made a double trade-down and ended up trading #16, and then #22 for #25, #94, and LA Chargers 2025 5th round picks.


When pick #25 came nearly all of those DL under consideration were still there! Given that AND the Cardinals focus in the FA period, I figured it was time to "roll the dice"! I was able to select one the top 3-4 WR, in the draft; and a strong need for the Cardinals; In the second at #47, a DT that many are mentioning for the Cards at pick #16; I wasn't thrilled with the board at pick #78, so purely went highest rated player available; still got a solid DL selection at #94; a high potential OL pick at #115; pick #152 was a luxury pick, RB Kyle Monangai, really fits well in the Cardinals RB room; and finally at #225, took a shot on a QB I admittedly know little about, other than he has the requisite physical traits, and started for a winning program; at least he can provide Tune with competition!

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[BritCard]

Again, there are only two or three non-defensive front players I would take over the likely options at 16.

I'm not going to take a QB, RB, TE, ILB, or S at 16.

That leaves WR, OL, DT, EDGE, and CB.

There is only 1 WR at 16 and that is Matthew Golden...and I am still 50/50 there.

There is pretty much only 1 OL I am taking at 16, Membou. (Maybe Will Campbell)

There is only 1 CB I am taking at 16 and that is Will Johnson.

I have more DT and EDGE that I prefer at 16 than all other positions combined. IMO, that is just how the draft class is looking to shake out at 16.

Yes, but this is your mindset. I think the FO's mindset will be vastly different to ours.

I think right now they are more concerned about G, OT, WR, CB and ILB than they are about DL.

I think Membou, Banks and Simmons will be on their shortlist. I think Jihaad Campbell is high on their list, maybe Jalon Walker too. I don't think they take WR in the first but 2nd could be an option. I don't think corner is high on their needs but if Will Johnson is there I'd expect him to be the pick.

I don't think the FO will be looking at this like many here are.

 

[Chopper0080]

Yes, but this is your mindset. I think the FO's mindset will be vastly different to ours.

I think right now they are more concerned about G, OT, WR, CB and ILB than they are about DL.

I think Membou, Banks and Simmons will be on their shortlist. I think Jihaad Campbell is high on their list, maybe Jalon Walker too. I don't think they take WR in the first but 2nd could be an option. I don't think corner is high on their needs but if Will Johnson is there I'd expect him to be the pick.

I don't think the FO will be looking at this like many here are.

I don't have a top 16 grade on Banks or Simmons. I don't see many draft people who do either. I don't see why they would be viewed as a similar prospects to the defensive front group. So if Monti was taking them, he would be reaching based on need which would not be a great strategy.

Drafting an ILB that high is peak stupidity. Same with G. Those were Keim drafting moves. At that rate, you might as well add RB as a potential option because at least Jeanty would be a similar level prospect.

You might be correct in that Monti might be terrible as a draft GM, and the scouting dept may also be bad by incorrectly viewing the class for what it is. The only option to take an ILB or OG or RB or an inferior OT is trading back. Now Monti may do that, but that doesn't change the situation if he stays at 16. It's just how the board falls.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If it meant they were trying to open up the offense, I would love it if they drafted a WR in round 1. Don’t @ me.

I don’t know if I’d say I “love” it, but if they were truly going to open up the offense I’d understand and be on board with a receiver. If it’s essentially the same usage as last year I’d struggle with that selection in. The first. Second? Sure. But I think I’d prefer oline in the first if that were the case.

 

[BritCard]

I don't have a top 16 grade on Banks or Simmons. I don't see many draft people who do either. I don't see why they would be viewed as a similar prospects to the defensive front group. So if Monti was taking them, he would be reaching based on need which would not be a great strategy.

Drafting an ILB that high is peak stupidity. Same with G. Those were Keim drafting moves. At that rate, you might as well add RB as a potential option because at least Jeanty would be a similar level prospect.

You might be correct in that Monti might be terrible as a draft GM, and the scouting dept may also be bad by incorrectly viewing the class for what it is. The only option to take an ILB or OG or RB or an inferior OT is trading back. Now Monti may do that, but that doesn't change the situation if he stays at 16. It's just how the board falls.

Again, this is all fan perspective stuff. Or more specifically, your perspective. I'm trying to look at it from the team's perspective and the NFL's wider perspective.

Teams often draft ILB in this range. Guards have come off the board at 20, 11, 15, 14 and 14 in 5 of the last 6 drafts.

Kelvin Banks is also the consensus #15 pick in the draft in an aggregation of draft rankings from PFF, Fantasy Pros, Drafttek, Yahoo, NFL, SB Nation, USA Today and several dozen others. Josh Simmons is #24. If they think Banks, Zabel, Campbell, Simmons or whoever is a All Pro level talent they are going to take them regardless of position.

Not that these matter as NFL boards are always highly different, this draft likely more than ever.

 

[DaHilg]

About the only option that fits their need is Matthew Golden.

Would be all over Golden

 

[phillycard]

I did a mock draft the other day, and it fell quite interestingly! All of the top Edge and DT were taken prior to the Cardinals pick. There were 4 second tier DT still on the board at pick #16 and a couple of second tier Edge players. With that many DL players still on the board it was easily worth the risk to trade down and still get a solid DL. Made a double trade-down and ended up trading #16, and then #22 for #25, #94, and LA Chargers 2025 5th round picks.


When pick #25 came nearly all of those DL under consideration were still there! Given that AND the Cardinals focus in the FA period, I figured it was time to "roll the dice"! I was able to select one the top 3-4 WR, in the draft; and a strong need for the Cardinals; In the second at #47, a DT that many are mentioning for the Cards at pick #16; I wasn't thrilled with the board at pick #78, so purely went highest rated player available; still got a solid DL selection at #94; a high potential OL pick at #115; pick #152 was a luxury pick, RB Kyle Monangai, really fits well in the Cardinals RB room; and finally at #225, took a shot on a QB I admittedly know little about, other than he has the requisite physical traits, and started for a winning program; at least he can provide Tune with competition!

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I would be ecstatic with this draft. I'm totally serious.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

When it comes to WR, I think Egbuka is being overrated. It will be interesting to see what he runs at his pro day tomorrow. Golden, Bond, and the guy from Iowa St. interest me, maybe Burden but that's about it.

Egbuka ran 4.48 today. Burden ran 4.41 at the combine. To me, he's a much better prospect.

 

[Chopper0080]

Again, this is all fan perspective stuff. Or more specifically, your perspective. I'm trying to look at it from the team's perspective and the NFL's wider perspective.

Teams often draft ILB in this range. Guards have come off the board at 20, 11, 15, 14 and 14 in 5 of the last 6 drafts.

Kelvin Banks is also the consensus #15 pick in the draft in an aggregation of draft rankings from PFF, Fantasy Pros, Drafttek, Yahoo, NFL, SB Nation, USA Today and several dozen others. Josh Simmons is #24. If they think Banks, Zabel, Campbell, Simmons or whoever is a All Pro level talent they are going to take them regardless of position.

Not that these matter as NFL boards are always highly different, this draft likely more than ever.

Since 2019 (arguably recent draft history) 3 ILBs have been drafted in the 11-20 range. 50 picks over the past 5 drafts and 4 have been ILB. Jack Campbell. Zaven Collins. Jamin Davis.

So one, 3 of the 55 picks in that range being an ILB does not constitute "often".

Of those three ILBs drafted in that range, none of them offer a compelling argument to draft an ILB in that range.

I can't look into OGs right this moment, but I would be shocked if it differs much.

 

[Snakester]

So far Mike Green is the guy. Closest thing I’ve seen to Von Miller in this draft. Best closing speed.

 

[Chopper0080]

So far Mike Green is the guy. Closest thing I’ve seen to Von Miller in this draft. Best closing speed.

Same for me, but I see more Khalil Mack than Miller. They both play with a lot of force for their size (Mack came out 251 lbs) and both can bend. Miller was very finesse but his burst was on another level.