How long does Whis get?

[nashman]

Where in my initial post state he should be fired? It is a fair question for a message board. I also stated I am done IF some changes don't take place which IMO need to. I don't understand the overreaction of a fair question. He is the head coach this is the coaching staff he picked and honestly some if the guys are not getting their jobs done including him. He can and has the ability to fix it, the question is will he? Does he have it in him to can his friends that are not getting it done? Can he let go of the offense and let an OC run it and adapt it to the personnel we have on the roster? These are valid questions and time will tell if he does anything about it. I personally am tired of the same bs the system works quotes from him!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Where in my initial post state he should be fired? It is a fair question for a message board. I also stated I am done IF some changes don't take place which IMO need to. I don't understand the overreaction of a fair question. He is the head coach this is the coaching staff he picked and honestly some if the guys are not getting their jobs done including him. He can and has the ability to fix it, the question is will he? Does he have it in him to can his friends that are not getting it done? Can he let go of the offense and let an OC run it and adapt it to the personnel we have on the roster? These are valid questions and time will tell if he does anything about it. I personally am tired of the same bs the system works quotes from him!

Take a look at the list of Coaches in year one of the Whiz regime, and years subsequent, and then ask yourself if he's adverse to making changes?

He'll do an assessement at end of year and make the changes HE DEEMS necessary... not fans.

 

[WildBB]

Take a look at the list of Coaches in year one of the Whiz regime, and years subsequent, and then ask yourself if he's adverse to making changes?

He'll do an assessement at end of year and make the changes HE DEEMS necessary... not fans.

The FO will also have input and talk to Wiz reguarding what THEY feel is necessary.

The OL better show some improvement as we progress through this season.

I think that Wiz is safe at least through next season.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

The FO will also have input and talk to Wiz reguarding what THEY feel is necessary.

The OL better show some improvement as we progress through this season.

I think that Wiz is safe at least through next season.

What part of the FO and on what issue?

The day they start meddling in his choice of coaching personnel is the day they've decided to force him out.

 

[WildBB]

What part of the FO and on what issue?

The day they start meddling in his choice of coaching personnel is the day they've decided to force him out.

FO's meddle all the time. Coaches are expected to give and listen to feedback esp. from GM's. After particularly bad outcomes (season's) they are told that changes are expected in certain area's if they haven't already figured it out for themselves. Sometimes the FO's aren't even that vague and ultimatums are given.

I think everyone knows where our basic problems lay and usually in what order for the most.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Where in my initial post state he should be fired? It is a fair question for a message board. I also stated I am done IF some changes don't take place which IMO need to. I don't understand the overreaction of a fair question. He is the head coach this is the coaching staff he picked and honestly some if the guys are not getting their jobs done including him. He can and has the ability to fix it, the question is will he? Does he have it in him to can his friends that are not getting it done? Can he let go of the offense and let an OC run it and adapt it to the personnel we have on the roster? These are valid questions and time will tell if he does anything about it. I personally am tired of the same bs the system works quotes from him!

I think it's pretty implied with this quote "Anyway what do you guys think how long before management/fans are through wight the guy? I firmly believe Haley & Warner had much more to do with our success than whiz and his bs system he keeps preaching works!".

You're entitled to your opinion but you shouldn't be surprised if some of us take exception to it.

Steve

 

[BigRedRage]

Where in my initial post state he should be fired? It is a fair question for a message board. I also stated I am done IF some changes don't take place which IMO need to. I don't understand the overreaction of a fair question. He is the head coach this is the coaching staff he picked and honestly some if the guys are not getting their jobs done including him. He can and has the ability to fix it, the question is will he? Does he have it in him to can his friends that are not getting it done? Can he let go of the offense and let an OC run it and adapt it to the personnel we have on the roster? These are valid questions and time will tell if he does anything about it. I personally am tired of the same bs the system works quotes from him!

you are on a fanatic message board,.

 

[Duckjake]

We're tied for first place!!! 4-2!!! We were a missed FG from being 5-1!! Wow, can some of you just relax and enjoy the season?

Sorry, hard to ignore the fact that our starting QB for the last 5 games is now out, our top two RBs are out and our top two Offensive Tackles are out.

The Cards have dropped two straight and are a miracle 4th down TD pass away from it being three straight.

Hard to relax if you actually care if the Cards win the games.

 

[JeffGollin]

The perception I get is that the Cardinal FO has morphed into a structured, plan-oriented group that analyzes everything, examines every contingency and no longer makes moves impulsively. The only way they'd make a sudden head coaching change would be if the team went 3 & 13 or the HC did something that ran very counter to the culture of the organization.

That said - I'd think it logical and appropriate that O-line and RB-depth issues were made a key part of any formal ongoing or year-end analytical review. But, even then, I doubt there'd be much finger-pointing given the collaborative and consensus-building MO that goes into much of the FO's decision-making.

Finally, my guess is that Wiz stays, but that he may be forced to make at least one "hard decision" at the assistant coaching level at season's end (i.e. kind of a warning shot across the bow in advance of the following year).

 

[MrYeahBut]

Sorry, hard to ignore the fact that our starting QB for the last 5 games is now out, our top two RBs are out and our top two Offensive Tackles are out.

The Cards have dropped two straight and are a miracle 4th down TD pass away from it being three straight.

Hard to relax if you actually care if the Cards win the games.

I can never relax, Jake, and my guess is you never do either under any circumstance. Winning or losing, I'm always looking for that new and inventive way the Cards make the games entertaining.


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[AzStevenCal]

I can never relax, Jake, and my guess is you never do either under any circumstance. Winning or losing, I'm always looking for that new and inventive way the Cards make the games entertaining.

In Cards land we just call that Sunday.

Steve

 

[MrYeahBut]

In Cards land we just call that Sunday.

Steve

I call it Cardinal Church on Sunday....

plenty of --- jeeeezzzusss being said

 

[artp]

Cards are 4-2 right now. If we implode this year and are bad next year then you can start talking about it. Silly to do so now.

Thats my thought. If the Cardinals do not make the Playoffs this year, HC Whiz will get one more year to do so.

 

[chickenhead]

Sure, it's a fair question for a message board. But, there was a lot more in his initial post than the simple question. Responding to stuff like this is also appropriate for a message board. He's entitled to his opinion and we're entitled to react to it.

His initial post:

Steve

Sorry if I wasn't clear--I really meant that it's a fair question for a message board in the positive sense: we discuss things at length here.

 

[cardpa]

The perception I get is that the Cardinal FO has morphed into a structured, plan-oriented group that analyzes everything, examines every contingency and no longer makes moves impulsively. The only way they'd make a sudden head coaching change would be if the team went 3 & 13 or the HC did something that ran very counter to the culture of the organization.

That said - I'd think it logical and appropriate that O-line and RB-depth issues were made a key part of any formal ongoing or year-end analytical review. But, even then, I doubt there'd be much finger-pointing given the collaborative and consensus-building MO that goes into much of the FO's decision-making.

Finally, my guess is that Wiz stays, but that he may be forced to make at least one "hard decision" at the assistant coaching level at season's end (i.e. kind of a warning shot across the bow in advance of the following year).

Jeff I think yo may be pretty spot on with your assessment. I do think that Whiz will have to make more than one "hard decision" at several positions on the offensive side of the ball. Andy Reid just jettison Juan Castillo who has been on his staff since he has been head coach in Philly. Apparently a hard decision for Reid. I think Whiz will be making similar decisions at the end of this season.

 

[nashman]

I'll stand by my questioning of this HC more terrible decisions and playcalling today!

 

[Chopper0080]

I'll stand by my questioning of this HC more terrible decisions and playcalling today!

Of course the play calling is going to look terrible when your QB is terrible. Stop blaming the coaches and point the finger to the individual who is running the offense ON THE FIELD, THE QB.

John Sketon had protection, a running game, and still couldn't even get balls CLOSE to Wr's most of the game. He is awful.

 

[nashman]

Chopper that is the same Skelton our HC named the starter! Or did people forget that? That's the same QB he wanted but I guess since he got hurt and Kolb came in and won that game and then the next 3 to be 4-0 it's forgotten. Do you or anyone actually believe we would have went 4-0 with Skelton leading this team? I question his judgment, and as the HC that's the last thing I want to see. He constantly makes bizarre decisions and usually they blow up in our faces and we lose.

 

[Chopper0080]

Chopper that is the same Skelton our HC named the starter! Or did people forget that? That's the same QB he wanted but I guess since he got hurt and Kolb came in and won that game and then the next 3 to be 4-0 it's forgotten. Do you or anyone actually believe we would have went 4-0 with Skelton leading this team? I question his judgment, and as the HC that's the last thing I want to see. He constantly makes bizarre decisions and usually they blow up in our faces and we lose.

So blame the front office for not acquiring a better QB, or blame Whis for not forcing them to. In the end, TODAY it is on Skelton.

 

[nashman]

For the record chopper the FO did squire a better starting QB in fact the one whiz wanted in Kolb yet whiz still named Skelton the starter? So I guess that wasn't his decision? If Skelton doesn't get hurt does this team go 4-0? I say he'll no and probably lose the very first game! That's on Whis period just another terrible decision