how many here would trade chris miller for kurt warner as our QB,s coach?

[kerouac9]

In 2003, Singletary became linebackers coach for the Baltimore Ravens, pairing him with Ray Lewis. Following the 2004 season, the San Francisco 49ers hired Ravens defensive coordinator Mike Nolan to be their head coach, and Singletary left the Ravens with Nolan to be San Francisco's assistant head coach and linebackers coach.

Exactly. Never run a defense any more than Russ Grimm has run an offense.

Singletary did amazing work with the Baltimore linebacking corps.

 

[juza76]

if you were a great player possibly a hall of fame does not mean you can be a great coach

 

[cardsfanmd]

I proudly stand by it.The fact you blew off ugly language to me in a pm response that was totally uncalled for and other misplaced bravado shows me nothing I have'nt seen from my kids.You look good in your replica football jersey though.

Singletary went from position coach to defensive coordinator to Head Coach.Youngsters have no history of old players becoming Head Coaches.Not worth the work it would take in making a long historical list.Mostly before most of you were born.Still happened.

As usual you know not what you speak of. Singletary was the linebackers coach and then became the HC.

 

[moklerman]

I don't think Warner qualifies as a "star" player in that he worked very hard and took a long, arduous road to get to the NFL. In that way, I don't think he would be limited as a coach but along those same lines, I think a big part of why he retired was because he didn't see the commitment and professionalism from some of the players around him.

In which case, I don't think he could handle trying to coach if he was having to deal with the same thing. Not to mention, his presence would undercut Leinart more than help him IMO.

As far as Miller being a terrible player, I have to disagree. He was an injury prone player with terrible knees and concussion problems but when he was healthy he was far from terrible. He wasn't a HOF'er but he did go to a pro-bowl and also won a playoff game. He also had the Rams at 5-0 their first year in St. Louis in '95 so "terrible" is far too strong a word for what kind of player he was.

If we were talking about Gary Kubiak, I could see what you're saying. Or Mike Holmgren. Or someone like that. But Miller had a ton of success playing in the NFL compared to the typical "lousy player but good coach" types.

 

[JeffGollin]

Who Knows?

Chris Miller is held in high regard.

Kurt is bright, well-spoken and has the playing-creds.

Both could turn out to be outstanding QB coaches. Or not.

There's a difference between (a) being able to play QB and (b) imparting all that sage wisdom so that it registers between the ears of a young QB (or for that matter an old dog who needs to learn a few new tricks -and may not realize it).

Logically, you'd figure an ex-player would need a few years to learn the ropes, but that doesn't mean some young guy with brains, charisma and expertise couldn't turn out to be an instant "natural" as a position coach.

But the thing of it is - you never know whether you're going to get Mike Tomlin, Josh McDaniel, Lane Tiffin or Mike Singletary.

While the question-posed does serve to keep us occupied during the "quiet time" of the year, it is difficut if not impossible to get our arms around it because (a) it's based on a hypothetical (i.e. we don't know if the Cards expressed interest or for that matter, that Kurt even was interested) and (b) it asks us fans - armed with only "what we've read or heard" - to become instant experts.

Although experience and credibility is an important part of a coaching skill-set, so too is being a good teacher, communicator and motivator.

None of us has experienced being coached by Miller. And none of us really knows how good Kurt would be at getting his points across without either being (a) too timid about bruising an ego to correct flaws or conversely (b) so overbearing that it causes a player to shut down.

Bottom line - it's an interesting thing to speculate on but none of us really know (nor - based on what we've heard - is it even remotely likely).

 

[DemsMyBoys]

I don't think Warner qualifies as a "star" player in that he worked very hard and took a long, arduous road to get to the NFL. In that way, I don't think he would be limited as a coach but along those same lines, I think a big part of why he retired was because he didn't see the commitment and professionalism from some of the players around him.

Well, this whole paragraph is causing me to choke on my Nutter Butter and go !!

First, can I have your definition of a "star" player? Because I think Kurt's "long, arduous road" is one of the very things that made him a "star" player. It's part of the story, the package, the wonderfulness of it all. (Besides the fact that he was one heck of a QB and we're discussing his entry into the HOF on another thread.) Just because his road was longer does not negate the ring he earned. Do "star" players have to just walk out onto the field directly after college and dazzle the heck out of everybody? Sorry, but I'm confused.

And the last line just has me scratching my head. Did I miss something?

 

[TJ]

IIRC, Warner has no desire to do coaching whatsoever and Chris Miller has done a good job coaching up the QBs

Miller has made some bold statements in the media. I believe it was on Bickley and MJ where he stated that the passing game is going to be more potent this season because last season, Warner was unable to complete the long ball due to a shoulder injury.

In addition, could you see a guy like Joe Namath or Joe Montana coaching QBs?? The problem is that these star QBs are way too competitive. You see this a lot in other sports. Magic Johnson wasnt a good NBA coach. Gretzky did not fair well with the Coyotes. Jordan wasn't all that as a front office executive.

The reasons are that a) players are intimidated by their presence alone and b) their super competitiveness and lofty expectations begin to get worn out after a while.

 

[kerouac9]

Does any of the people who think that Warner would be a good coach have any idea the kind of hours that NFL coaches (and H.S. and college coaches, as well) actually put in during the season and the offseason? The Jon Gruden era remains in full effect, where pro and college coaches are expected to but in 60-80 hour weeks from training camp through the playoffs.

Warner has fiscal independence, a ton of charitable opportunities, and a young family. Honestly, it would make me think less of him if he took a coaching job outside of a high school assistant, because he'd either be doing his team a great disservice or his family.

 

[CardLogic]

Does any of the people who think that Warner would be a good coach have any idea the kind of hours that NFL coaches (and H.S. and college coaches, as well) actually put in during the season and the offseason? The Jon Gruden era remains in full effect, where pro and college coaches are expected to but in 60-80 hour weeks from training camp through the playoffs.

Warner has fiscal independence, a ton of charitable opportunities, and a young family. Honestly, it would make me think less of him if he took a coaching job outside of a high school assistant, because he'd either be doing his team a great disservice or his family.

Warner has other priorities. Coaching, particularly at the professional level is far too demanding of one's time.

Although, I don't know why the extensive hours would be referred to as the "Jon Gruden era"? There have been plenty of coaches prior to Gruden that were known to "live" at the team facilities.

 

[kerouac9]

Warner has other priorities. Coaching, particularly at the professional level is far too demanding of one's time.

Although, I don't know why the extensive hours would be referred to as the "Jon Gruden era"? There have been plenty of coaches prior to Gruden that were known to "live" at the team facilities.

Maybe, but I couldn't name them for you. Gruden was the first HC that I can remember who developed a reputation for sleeping at the facility, or showing up at 4:30 a.m. after heading home the night before after 2, etc.

Maybe it was a media focus thing, or because he was a head coach, but I don't remember guys like Holmgren, Shanahan, or Joe Gibbs (basically the prior generation of top HCs) having that kind of reputation.

 

[Unsterblich856]

Miller started coaching last year, not during Warner's amazing 2008 season. I was unimpressed with the QB play of 2009 compared to 2008. Only three 40+ pass plays in 2009 compared to 12 in 2008, Warner's completion percentage of 31+ yard throws went from a shade under 70% to 53%, average passing YPG went from 286 to 250 and Leinart looked off throughout most of the season. A lot of that, maybe even all, can be placed on Warner's injuries and Leinart not getting significant reps. Maybe Miller is a fantastic QB coach, but I feel that the talk he's been getting hasn't matched the on-field production yet. I've even heard him get called one of the great young minds in the NFL a couple times on ESPN and NFLN.

I certainly would have him over Warner, though. Miller at least has coaching experience in the pros whereas Warner has none.

 

[ajcardfan]

Magic Johnson is the all-time example of a great player who bombed as a coach.


Besides, there's no way Kurt will ever coach in any capacity in the NFL IMHO. The hours NFL coaches put in are insane. They spend more time on it than the players do. No way Kurt would ever be interested in a coaching position. He's involved in too much other stuff.

 

[kerouac9]

Miller started coaching last year, not during Warner's amazing 2008 season. I was unimpressed with the QB play of 2009 compared to 2008. Only three 40+ pass plays in 2009 compared to 12 in 2008, Warner's completion percentage of 31+ yard throws went from a shade under 70% to 53%, average passing YPG went from 286 to 250 and Leinart looked off throughout most of the season. A lot of that, maybe even all, can be placed on Warner's injuries and Leinart not getting significant reps. Maybe Miller is a fantastic QB coach, but I feel that the talk he's been getting hasn't matched the on-field production yet. I've even heard him get called one of the great young minds in the NFL a couple times on ESPN and NFLN.

I certainly would have him over Warner, though. Miller at least has coaching experience in the pros whereas Warner has none.

Warner was also playing with a shoulder injury that didn't become known until after the season was over. I'm not sure all that can be put on Miller, who wasn't the passing game coordinator or anything.

It's also mentionable that our deep play threat in Steve Breaston was playing at 80% the entire year.

 

[Doug]

Maybe, but I couldn't name them for you. Gruden was the first HC that I can remember who developed a reputation for sleeping at the facility, or showing up at 4:30 a.m. after heading home the night before after 2, etc.

Maybe it was a media focus thing, or because he was a head coach, but I don't remember guys like Holmgren, Shanahan, or Joe Gibbs (basically the prior generation of top HCs) having that kind of reputation.

Vermeil with the Eagles slept in his office for years.Many posting their rocket science about certain topics forget all the years and players that played and coached before fantasy football and playing Madden.

Van Brocklyn went from HOF QB to Falcons Head coach.Bart Starr also and at least 10 more I challenge you to do your own homework and look em' up. Vermeil retired from football due to burnout from living in his office and spent 10 years doing games and returned to the rams & Chiefs after 14 years to head coach again.

 

[Doug]

Bob Waterfield went from starting QB to Head coach after he quit playing.Many other examples like that exist in NFL history.He also made the NFL HOF.

More football was played before most of you were born,than what you have knowledge of today.Its just too funny.

 

[kerouac9]

Vermeil with the Eagles slept in his office for years.Many posting their rocket science about certain topics forget all the years and players that played and coached before fantasy football and playing Madden.

Van Brocklyn went from HOF QB to Falcons Head coach.Bart Starr also and at least 10 more I challenge you to do your own homework and look em' up. Vermeil retired from football due to burnout from living in his office and spent 10 years doing games and returned to the rams & Chiefs after 14 years to head coach again.

Bob Waterfield went from starting QB to Head coach after he quit playing.Many other examples like that exist in NFL history.He also made the NFL HOF.

More football was played before most of you were born,than what you have knowledge of today.Its just too funny.

LOL. Bart Starr was 52-76-3 as a head coach. Yes, that does sound like an excellent idea.

Norm Van Brocklin was 29-51-4 with the Vikings, and then 37-49-3 with the Falcons.

Do you even look up this information before posting it? No one is saying that great players can't be coaches; people are saying that it's rare that great players are good coaches.

Bob Waterfield was 9-24-1 as a head coach. LOL!

 

[Doug]

LOL. Bart Starr was 52-76-3 as a head coach. Yes, that does sound like an excellent idea.

Norm Van Brocklin was 29-51-4 with the Vikings, and then 37-49-3 with the Falcons.

Do you even look up this information before posting it? No one is saying that great players can't be coaches; people are saying that it's rare that great players are good coaches.

Bob Waterfield was 9-24-1 as a head coach. LOL!

Don't wear out your google there boy. You can go do some work on your own. What is the topic about? Chris Miller is'nt all that.Last year was his first year ever.I give all the credit to what was accomplished to Warners skills and years of playing and systems to the FIRST year of probably watching Kurt and doing more learning than coaching with Kurt as he probably focused his time with the other qb's.

Glad you love miller so much,Sounds like a homer to me.He was known as Crystal Miller due to his fragility as a player.NONE of us know what kind of a coach he is.

Yes Kurt Warner would never consider coaching in the NFL.He has said he will remain around the game.Now we all have to wait and see what he does.I'm sure he wants a sweetheart deal allowing him more time with his family,as he does'nt need the money.Networks may not offer him such a deal.

This whole thread is a joke.Off season pzzzing contest at best.Nothing has been proven.Nor will be.I know miller better than most and he has never impressed me. Did'nt know we were blessed with such a superstar.If he's so great Matt should take us to the SB This season.

What was Mike Ditka's alltime coaching record? How many losing seasons?

 

[CardLogic]

Vermeil with the Eagles slept in his office for years.

Vermeil was one that I was thinking about. Iirc, George Allen with the LA Rams and Redskins was another; Hank Stram also. And speaking of John Madden, who was still very young (42 or 43) at the time of his retirement from coaching, I remember him being asked if he would ever return to a coaching job. His response entailed that as much as he loved the game and the job of being a head coach that it was too all-encompassing.

 

[moklerman]

Well, this whole paragraph is causing me to choke on my Nutter Butter and go !!

First, can I have your definition of a "star" player? Because I think Kurt's "long, arduous road" is one of the very things that made him a "star" player. It's part of the story, the package, the wonderfulness of it all. (Besides the fact that he was one heck of a QB and we're discussing his entry into the HOF on another thread.) Just because his road was longer does not negate the ring he earned. Do "star" players have to just walk out onto the field directly after college and dazzle the heck out of everybody? Sorry, but I'm confused.

And the last line just has me scratching my head. Did I miss something?

Sorry, I think my wording has you misunderstanding what I was saying. I think Warner was a star, no doubt but I was referring to the gifted/natural athletes who are stars that have a hard time, if at all, transitioning to coaching since their ability was 2nd nature. Warner was not in that category although he got to the top the hard way.

I agree that Warner doing what he did, the way he did it, is probably more deserving of admiration than the guy who had a full ride through college at a big school and then got drafted and was somehow able to put on a football helmet with a silver spoon in his mouth.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Got it Molkerman! Thanks for clearing that up. (Maybe my coffee just hadn't kicked in yet.)

Dems

 

[JeffGollin]

Vermeil with the Eagles slept in his office for years...

As legend tells it - Gambino boss, John Gotti happened to mention to his Genovese counterpart, Vincent "The Chin" Gigante, that his son, John Junior had been brought into the family business.

"Jeez, that's really too bad", Gigante is said to have responded.

In other words, be careful what you wish for.

With everything Kurt has going for him, why in the world would he want to endure being an NFL coach?

 

[conraddobler]

Warner does things too differently to coach anyone, unless he can teach people how to hit people in stride I'd stick with Miller.

Miller was not a bad QB at all, he was hurt a lot but he had some good years.