How Many Sacks Will Calvin Pace Have?

[Jim O]

How many sacks will Cards rookie DE Calvin Pace have in 2003?

 

[Jim O]

I voted eight.

 

[Goldfield]

Without help on the Dline it is gunna be hard for him. But if he can get 6, he will be on the right track IMO.

6-8 would be nice.

 

[arthurracoon]

Where's the spot to vote:

"Pace will have more sacks than T. suggs!"

I said 10 sacks

 

[AZ Shocker]

11

 

[Shane]

I voted 10 but I will be happy with anywhere from 7 to 12!

The guy can flat out play that is obvious he will get better as the year progresses! It doesnt hurt to go against the likes of Shelton everyday in practice either!

 

[WisconsinCard]

I said 9 and I also think King could have 6 or 7 himself.

 

[Shane]

The majority so far seem to think somewhere between 9-12. I think we would all be happy with that

 

[CardAvenger]

This Koolaid taste's mighty fine this morning. I said 16!!!!

 

[Assface]

Originally posted by CardAvenger
This Koolaid taste's mighty fine this morning. I said 16!!!!

You're not using water to make the Koolaid, are you?


How many sacks did the 1st rnd "reach" Freeney have last year? I played it safe with 10, but Pace has shown that he has good pass rushing skills plus in our division alone we have 6 games against teams that pass alot which means more opportunities for sacks. I'm too lazy to check the schedule right now to see the rest of the teams we play as far as offensive style.

 

[Goldfield]

LMAO, you guys are insane (keep up the good work)

 

[Redheart]

I voted Ten!

That way I could count them on my fingers...without resorting to taking my shoes off or unzipping my fly.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by Mike Rogers
I said 9 and I also think King could have 6 or 7 himself.

There we go.

Pace will rack them up early, and then be double teamed. Thus King and Bryant will then pick up some.

I voted 6 for Pace, but I think King/Bryant might have some as well.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Floridacard
How many sacks did the 1st rnd "reach" Freeney have last year? I played it safe with 10, but Pace has shown that he has good pass rushing skills plus in our division alone we have 6 games against teams that pass alot which means more opportunities for sacks. I'm too lazy to check the schedule right now to see the rest of the teams we play as far as offensive style.

I voted eight, and that would be solid on this team, but more than he put up in college. I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit "the wall" real hard about the midway point, because he's still coming off injury, hasn't played a long schedule, and played mostly against weaker competition in college.

You're right that we play a lot of passing offences on the schedule this year, but they're "quick-passing" offenses for the most part. Seattle, St. Louis, Green Bay, Chicago (supposedly), Detriot, and Cleveland all use three- to five-step drops that make it very, very difficult for defenses to pressure the quarterback. Oakland and New England passed all the time last season, but Gannon and Brady (even behind a below-average offensive line) were rarely sacked because they got rid of the ball so quickly. I think that sacks will come easier against teams like B-More, Minnesota, Pittsburgh (Pace could have three or more sacks against Pittsburgh), and San Francisco, since theirs are more vertical-passing attacks, and those deep patterns take a little while to develop.

All this is precedented on being able to stop the run, which, after the San Diego game, I'm not sure we're totally able to do, especially up the middle. If we're giving up 125 yards a game on the ground this year, it won't really matter if Pace gets 18 sacks.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by kerouac9
and played mostly against weaker competition in college.

Your joking right?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I voted eight, and that would be solid on this team, but more than he put up in college. I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit "the wall" real hard about the midway point, because he's still coming off injury, hasn't played a long schedule, and played mostly against weaker competition in college.

You're right that we play a lot of passing offences on the schedule this year, but they're "quick-passing" offenses for the most part. Seattle, St. Louis, Green Bay, Chicago (supposedly), Detriot, and Cleveland all use three- to five-step drops that make it very, very difficult for defenses to pressure the quarterback. Oakland and New England passed all the time last season, but Gannon and Brady (even behind a below-average offensive line) were rarely sacked because they got rid of the ball so quickly. I think that sacks will come easier against teams like B-More, Minnesota, Pittsburgh (Pace could have three or more sacks against Pittsburgh), and San Francisco, since theirs are more vertical-passing attacks, and those deep patterns take a little while to develop.

All this is precedented on being able to stop the run, which, after the San Diego game, I'm not sure we're totally able to do, especially up the middle. If we're giving up 125 yards a game on the ground this year, it won't really matter if Pace gets 18 sacks.

Weaker competition compared to other colleges? Or to NFL teams?

The ACC IMO is tougher than the PAC 10.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Weaker competition compared to other colleges? Or to NFL teams?

The ACC IMO is tougher than the PAC 10.

The ACC has two powerhouse teams annually in Florida State and Virginia as of late!

Add in NC State another very good program as well as decent schools such as Clemson, Georgia Tech, and North Carolina and you have th emakings of a tough conference. I think Kerouac just simply made a mistake on that one! Or at least I hope so!

 

[Russ Smith]

Come on I can't pick more than 19 (-:

I don't know enough about the scheme yet to be sure but I'd say 8-10 is a good idea of upper end. If we are really blitzing a lot that could go up.

Based on what I've seen Pace is good, could be very good, but he's not Peppers or freeney so he'd not going to get sacks unless the scheme and his teammates help him.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Weaker competition compared to other colleges? Or to NFL teams?

The ACC IMO is tougher than the PAC 10.

I guess competition combined with expectations. Do you think that the same is expected of ACC football players at Florida State and Virginia as at Duke and Wake Forest? Please. (Speaking of which, I wonder what 'Quan thought of Calvin Pace after lining up against him for the past few years?)

As for comparisons, it's hard to say. I think that for wideouts, QBs, and corners, the PAC 10 is a better proving ground than the ACC, maybe the best in football. For running backs, LBs, and D-Linemen, I'd rather head east.

Obviously, the school plays as much of a role, maybe a larger one, in demonstrating a player's capabilities as the conference (Notre Dame is a good example). While USC and Washington play in the same conference as Arizona, Cal, and Oregon State, you can't really compare the quality of the programs (Oregon State just recently took a step forward, but a few years ago, they were a laughingstock).

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
Come on I can't pick more than 19 (-:

I don't know enough about the scheme yet to be sure but I'd say 8-10 is a good idea of upper end. If we are really blitzing a lot that could go up.

Based on what I've seen Pace is good, could be very good, but he's not Peppers or freeney so he'd not going to get sacks unless the scheme and his teammates help him.

I dunno Russ Freeney is very quick but that is about it! As far as all around talent I would take Pace from what I have seen so far. But obviously we agree he is no Peppers!

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I guess competition combined with expectations. Do you think that the same is expected of ACC football players at Florida State and Virginia as at Duke and Wake Forest? Please. (Speaking of which, I wonder what 'Quan thought of Calvin Pace after lining up against him for the past few years?)

As for comparisons, it's hard to say. I think that for wideouts, QBs, and corners, the PAC 10 is a better proving ground than the ACC, maybe the best in football. For running backs, LBs, and D-Linemen, I'd rather head east.

Obviously, the school plays as much of a role, maybe a larger one, in demonstrating a player's capabilities as the conference (Notre Dame is a good example). While USC and Washington play in the same conference as Arizona, Cal, and Oregon State, you can't really compare the quality of the programs (Oregon State just recently took a step forward, but a few years ago, they were a laughingstock).

Paces football program really has no bearing the fact is he was playing quality competition wek in and week out in the ACC. Im not sure what there out of conference games looked like but it would be interesting to see.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I guess competition combined with expectations. Do you think that the same is expected of ACC football players at Florida State and Virginia as at Duke and Wake Forest? Please. (Speaking of which, I wonder what 'Quan thought of Calvin Pace after lining up against him for the past few years?)

As for comparisons, it's hard to say. I think that for wideouts, QBs, and corners, the PAC 10 is a better proving ground than the ACC, maybe the best in football. For running backs, LBs, and D-Linemen, I'd rather head east.

Obviously, the school plays as much of a role, maybe a larger one, in demonstrating a player's capabilities as the conference (Notre Dame is a good example). While USC and Washington play in the same conference as Arizona, Cal, and Oregon State, you can't really compare the quality of the programs (Oregon State just recently took a step forward, but a few years ago, they were a laughingstock).

I will have disagree with you there. Wake Forest has the 11th toughest schedule in the country in this year (according to Steele's power ratings) with non-conf games against BC and Purdue, as well as conf games against NC State, FSU, Virginia, and Maryland.

Furthermore, I would say players at Duke and WF are expected even more of than players at FSU and Virginia because they have acedemic standards they have to live up too

 

[Snakester]

I voted 8. I think he is a 7 to 10 guy yearly.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by LVCARDFREAK
I will have disagree with you there. Wake Forest has the 11th toughest schedule in the country in this year (according to Steele's power ratings) with non-conf games against BC and Purdue, as well as conf games against NC State, FSU, Virginia, and Maryland.

Furthermore, I would say players at Duke and WF are expected even more of than players at FSU and Virginia because they have acedemic standards they have to live up too

Thanks for the info LV! Did you get your PM?

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by Shane H
Paces football program really has no bearing the fact is he was playing quality competition wek in and week out in the ACC. Im not sure what there out of conference games looked like but it would be interesting to see.

In order last year:

NORTHERN ILLINOIS
East Carolina
NORTH CAROLINA ST.
PURDUE
Virginia
GEORGIA TECH
DUKE
CLEMSON
North Carolina
Florida St.
Navy
MARYLAND
OREGON