How much should Cards give for Case Keenum

[Arz101]

at the left Foles, right could be Cousin or Dalton or Wentz?

Wentz

 

[Arz101]

Keenum is everything you need and some to successfully plan a failure

 

[Mitch]

QB Update
1. It appears the Vikings have "heavy interest" in Kirk Cousins.
2. The Cardinals, per Rotoworld, are not going to get into the high stakes Cousins’ bidding.
3. The Vikings are not going to put the tag on Case Keenum.
4. Sam Bradford’s knee was give a clean bill of heath from Dr. James Andrews (LSU) who performed the arthroscopic surgery during the past season to clean out a bone spur and loose cartilage—-Andrews says the knee is structurally sound, all ligaments in good order.

If all of the above is correct—-and the Cardinals stick to their plan—-which is to test free agency first—-my guess is that the Cardinals top three QB candidates will be Case Keenum, A.J. McCarron and Sam Bradford. Tyrod Taylor could get added to that list if the Bills don’t pay him his roster bonus and thus release him.

As for salary, it is projected that Keenum will get in the neighborhood of $20M a year, McCarron $18M and Bradford $16M + incentives.

I think those salaries are commensurate with what the Cardinals want to pay.

The Cardinals will go ahead and draft a QB in the 1st round if one they like is available…but may wait until Day 2 if the ones they want are taken.

Your thoughts?

 

[Chopper0080]

I could see the Cards signing Sam Bradford, Mike Glennon and then drafting a QB in round 2 or using that pick to trade up into late round 1 if a guy slides.

They will cal that aggressive, and I will call it using a bunch of resources to try and be average.

 

[az jam]

QB Update
1. It appears the Vikings have "heavy interest" in Kirk Cousins.
2. The Cardinals, per Rotoworld, are not going to get into the high stakes Cousins’ bidding.
3. The Vikings are not going to put the tag on Case Keenum.
4. Sam Bradford’s knee was give a clean bill of heath from Dr. James Andrews (LSU) who performed the arthroscopic surgery during the past season to clean out a bone spur and loose cartilage—-Andrews says the knee is structurally sound, all ligaments in good order.

If all of the above is correct—-and the Cardinals stick to their plan—-which is to test free agency first—-my guess is that the Cardinals top three QB candidates will be Case Keenum, A.J. McCarron and Sam Bradford. Tyrod Taylor could get added to that list if the Bills don’t pay him his roster bonus and thus release him.

As for salary, it is projected that Keenum will get in the neighborhood of $20M a year, McCarron $18M and Bradford $16M + incentives.

I think those salaries are commensurate with what the Cardinals want to pay.

The Cardinals will go ahead and draft a QB in the 1st round if one they like is available…but may wait until Day 2 if the ones they want are taken.

Your thoughts?

I think your are right on the top three candidates for the Cards, Just not sure of the order. I think Bradford when healthy is the best of the three but the injuries are a major concern. IMO if you pay the big bucks for Keenum, he is your starter for the now and future. You don't go qb in round one and build a team around Keenum. Taking a qb in round 3 or 4 would make some sense but Keenum would be your guy. I just don't know if Keenum's good year was because of OC Shurmur. Bottom line I guess I would take Bradford and trade up to get one of the top 5 qbs. I actually like Lamar Jackson to back up Bradford. You don't have to move up to far to get him.

 

[TJ]

QB Update
1. It appears the Vikings have "heavy interest" in Kirk Cousins.
2. The Cardinals, per Rotoworld, are not going to get into the high stakes Cousins’ bidding.
3. The Vikings are not going to put the tag on Case Keenum.
4. Sam Bradford’s knee was give a clean bill of heath from Dr. James Andrews (LSU) who performed the arthroscopic surgery during the past season to clean out a bone spur and loose cartilage—-Andrews says the knee is structurally sound, all ligaments in good order.

If all of the above is correct—-and the Cardinals stick to their plan—-which is to test free agency first—-my guess is that the Cardinals top three QB candidates will be Case Keenum, A.J. McCarron and Sam Bradford. Tyrod Taylor could get added to that list if the Bills don’t pay him his roster bonus and thus release him.

As for salary, it is projected that Keenum will get in the neighborhood of $20M a year, McCarron $18M and Bradford $16M + incentives.

I think those salaries are commensurate with what the Cardinals want to pay.

The Cardinals will go ahead and draft a QB in the 1st round if one they like is available…but may wait until Day 2 if the ones they want are taken.

Your thoughts?

My thoughts:

Cousins was never a realistic option for Arizona for a number of reasons, mainly being cost prohibitive.

Can't see AJ McCarron as a legit option. He's done nothing to earn $18 mil/season, unless that contract is heavily incentive laden. Can't see Keim giving him a 4 year/72 mil contract or anything near it.

Bradford won't get a long-term contract. I can't see any team giving him a contract longer than two years with his knee injuries. I'd say this is an option because it allows you to get out of the contract soon if he doesn't perform or continues to sustain injuries. This option almost requires you to draft a QB in the first round.

My best guess is Arizona either signs Josh McCown or takes a chance on Teddy Bridgewater, and them drafts a QBoF in Round 1.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Comparing one game means nothing, that like saying we beat Jacksonville who should have beat New England, so Blaine Gabbert is better than Tom Brady.

Jacksonville should not have beaten New England, and they did not... the Jaguars are in a weak ass division and their record does not reflect who they really are, and the Cardinals are better than them along with the Patriots

 

[slanidrac16]

I believe if the cards sign McCown to anything other than a back- up there be a fan base revolt. They would be telling the world we are drafting a qb and pray we get it done. Here’s what i think. We go after Bradford 3 years 45 mil , 15 mil gauranteed. We draft Ridley if he is there at 15. We sit and watch and if a qb falls into the late first round we make a move up. That would probably be Lamar Jackson. Not saying this is the way to go. Just saying how I think it’s going to shake out.

 

[Proximo]

QB Update
1. It appears the Vikings have "heavy interest" in Kirk Cousins.
2. The Cardinals, per Rotoworld, are not going to get into the high stakes Cousins’ bidding.
3. The Vikings are not going to put the tag on Case Keenum.
4. Sam Bradford’s knee was give a clean bill of heath from Dr. James Andrews (LSU) who performed the arthroscopic surgery during the past season to clean out a bone spur and loose cartilage—-Andrews says the knee is structurally sound, all ligaments in good order.

If all of the above is correct—-and the Cardinals stick to their plan—-which is to test free agency first—-my guess is that the Cardinals top three QB candidates will be Case Keenum, A.J. McCarron and Sam Bradford. Tyrod Taylor could get added to that list if the Bills don’t pay him his roster bonus and thus release him.

As for salary, it is projected that Keenum will get in the neighborhood of $20M a year, McCarron $18M and Bradford $16M + incentives.

I think those salaries are commensurate with what the Cardinals want to pay.

The Cardinals will go ahead and draft a QB in the 1st round if one they like is available…but may wait until Day 2 if the ones they want are taken.

Your thoughts?

I want Bradford and Bridgewater over Keenam to me they are all likely just bridge qbs anyway.

I don't have a high opinion of McCarron, but I will admit I know very little about him.

My ranking for the possibly available veteran qbs I would want would be as follows
1. Cousins
2. Foles
3. Bradford
4. Brissett - If Luck really is recovered he should be able to be acquired
5. McCarron
6. Bridgewater
7. Keenam
8. McCown
9. Taylor - actually I do not want him under any circumstances.
9000. Glennon
9001. Osweiler - Glennon and Osweiler are clones of suckiness - I will be livid if either is signed, I said before either got signed to big deals they were horrific and I was right - I want Gabbert 10,000 times over either of them.

 

[az jam]

I believe if the cards sign McCown to anything other than a back- up there be a fan base revolt. They would be telling the world we are drafting a qb and pray we get it done. Here’s what i think. We go after Bradford 3 years 45 mil , 15 mil gauranteed. We draft Ridley if he is there at 15. We sit and watch and if a qb falls into the late first round we make a move up. That would probably be Lamar Jackson. Not saying this is the way to go. Just saying how I think it’s going to shake out.

I would lead the revolt. Why do we want a 39 year old qb whose best days are way behind hm.
Lets get Bradford and a young gun like Jackson or trade up for Allen or Mayfield.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Jacksonville should not have beaten New England, and they did not... the Jaguars are in a weak ass division and their record does not reflect who they really are, and the Cardinals are better than them along with the Patriots

Except that nobody said any of those things.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I believe if the cards sign McCown to anything other than a back- up there be a fan base revolt. They would be telling the world we are drafting a qb and pray we get it done. Here’s what i think. We go after Bradford 3 years 45 mil , 15 mil gauranteed. We draft Ridley if he is there at 15. We sit and watch and if a qb falls into the late first round we make a move up. That would probably be Lamar Jackson. Not saying this is the way to go. Just saying how I think it’s going to shake out.

I don't hate it

 

[Ronin]

Cards Wire discussed the possible financial ramifications of Keenum and the Cardinals.
Jess Root wrote: "He will be a free agent and, at age 30, is expected to command a hefty deal. According to Spotrac’s market value, Keenum is worth more than $21 million per year ... The Arizona Cardinals are one of many teams looking for a new quarterback. Should they pursue Keenum and commit that much money to him? He is a much more proven commodity than some of the other options out there who might be available, but he will be much more costly."

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...vikings-free-agent-franchise-tag-z/376724002/

 

[Solar7]

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...vikings-free-agent-franchise-tag-z/376724002/

That's a lot of money for a guy with one solid year and a bunch of really bad years. I'd give him no more than a Glennon contract and feel kinda bad about it.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I would lead the revolt. Why do we want a 39 year old qb whose best days are way behind hm.
Lets get Bradford and a young gun like Jackson or trade up for Allen or Mayfield.

In all fairness and niceness, McCown's best days were average QB play, at best. He was never anything spectacular...he just had the good fortune to be on a couple of piss poor QB teams.

 

[BW52]

I believe he would cost a 1st and probably a 2nd, maybe not in same year.

Would that be a better investment than gambling our 1st on one of the 4-6th QBs in this draft. I would think definitely yes, and would be on pho e with Vikings asap after new coach is signed and agreed with pursuing him.

Not a freaking penny.Paying for 1 year of production is stupid.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Not a freaking penny.Paying for 1 year of production is stupid.

Is this your same thought on Jimmy G?

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[BW52]

Is this your same thought on Jimmy G?

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yep.But Cards are not going after JimmyG are they?

 

[BW52]

If i had my choice i would sign a cheap caretaker QB and draft the QBOF.Continue to build the OLINE and Defense and focus on ball control offense.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

They aren't now, but a lot of people were really upset the Cards weren't able to trade for him. Just didn't know your position.

 

[BW52]

They aren't now, but a lot of people were really upset the Cards weren't able to trade for him. Just didn't know your position.

No problem.I just think Cards should spend money on upgrading other areas while drafting a QBOF to develop.

 

[Ronin]

Tom Pelissero‏Verified account@TomPelissero 1m1 minute ago
Can Keenum repeat his 2017 breakout? Zimmer: “You think he can, but it’s just kind of guessing.” Noted they had a good team around him.

 

[NJCardFan]

If we're going to sign a Minnesota QB, take Bridgewater. He was talented before his injury and he's pretty much been sidelined for 2 years so he would be extremely cheap.

 

[Dan H]

If we're going to sign a Minnesota QB, take Bridgewater. He was talented before his injury and he's pretty much been sidelined for 2 years so he would be extremely cheap.

I'm actually coming around to this. He didn't throw a ton of TDs, but he put up accurate passing numbers his first two seasons. I think he's at least work a look to see if he'd be interested in a deal with incentives. We can certainly surround him with more weapons than they had, I'd think.

In 2014, Asiata was their leading rusher with 570 yards. Their leading receiver was Greg Jennings, 59-742. Teddy passed for 2,900 yards in 13 games at a 64% clip with a 14/12 TD/INT ratio.

The following year, they got AP back, and he rushed for 1400 yards. Still not many receiving weapons, Stefon Diggs led the team with 52-742. Teddy started all 16 games, 65%, 3,200 yards, 14/9 TD/INT. Team went 11-5, and they lost that heartbreaker of a wild card game when Walsh missed the GW field goal against the Seahawks. Plus, Teddy actually outplayed Wilson in that game ...

 

[Arz101]

Tom Pelissero‏Verified account@TomPelissero 1m1 minute ago
Can Keenum repeat his 2017 breakout? Zimmer: “You think he can, but it’s just kind of guessing.” Noted they had a good team around him.

Isn't it a polite way of saying Keenum sucks by his coach?