How Will the Refs Call This Game?

[Heavy D]

Other fouls that never get called on the Spurs include:

1) When Boris posts up a smaller Spurs player, they push the crap out of him. No calls. I remember Finley just mauling him on one trip today.

2) EVERY TIME Duncan goes up to block a shot, he puts his right hand up to block the shot, and uses his left hand to push the Suns player on the hip. Watch for it and see.

3) Not a foul, but watch for this violation that is never called. Many times you'll see Duncan be the last guy to run up the floor, then receive a pass at the top of the key. He catches the ball and takes at least 3 steps before coming to a stop.

Watch for these things and then tell me that I'm right.

 

[msdundee]

All things considered, I thought the Suns played a good game. Barbosa had an off night -- unusual for him, but who could be mad at Leandro? He'll make up for it on Monday and we need that one. If Amare had only been able to stay in the game we'd have taken this one.

And I WILL say it, since I'm absolutely sure nobody else will: Marion played a great game, 26 points, FOUR blocks, 2 steals. And Parker under 20.

For some reason this loss doesn't make me feel so bad. I honestly don't think the Spurs are all that scary, but obviously we need to take at least one on their court.

 

[Joe Mama]

I really don't complain about the referees much anymore. In fact I really got on some people complaining about the referees in the first game.

A few years ago the NBA decided that they were going to stop allowing defenders to manhandle, especially on the perimeter. They wanted to get away from that New York Knicks/Miami Heat ugly game. Overall I would say it's helped to make the game better.

That said, David Stern needs to get on the phone with the officials and ask them what the hell they are watching. The fans and the we love the Phoenix Suns style of play, yet they are allowing the San Antonio Spurs and Bruce Bowen in particular constantly molest the two-time MVP of the league.

I really don't have a problem with most of the calls that went against Amare Stoudemire. Several times he was just late rotating, and at that point he should have just let people score. What I have a problem with is that Tim Duncan should have been in the same boat. He should have picked up the offensive foul charging Steve Nash. Then a couple of possessions later Amare Stoudemire got fouled, and they've bailed Tim Duncan out by giving the foul to Horry.

Cheese, you said that the blogger is essentially a loser for wasting six hours going through that game. I also wonder about somebody that has the time and patience to do that. I remember I did something similar for years ago when Marbury's Phoenix Suns were playing the San Antonio Spurs. That was before I was back working full time, and it only took me a couple hours. However I came up with the same conclusions as this guy. Because of San Antonio's reputation as being a great defensive team they generally get the benefit of the officiating.

Yes, the Phoenix Suns could have beaten San Antonio tonight if they had just made a few of their layups and shot their normal% from the free-throw line. That is true. That is what they can control. Still, if the officiating was even, particularly if they would stop allowing Bruce Bowen to push and grab at Steve Nash all night the Suns would be up 2-1 right now.

Joe

 

[mrkneebar]

I knew you tittie babies would be at it in full force.

It's "always" the refs. Whatever. It was overall a fairly officiated game.

Spurs will likely win the next a home and have you guys trying to dig out of a 3 game hole.

Spurs are this years Champs, get used to it.

 

[az1965]

In the Suns first game against the Spurs, the Suns took a TOTOL of 6 foul shots. It is hard to play the kind of physical defense the Spurs do without fouling, but somehow the refs don't see it that way.

In the Suns loss on Apr 5, Amare went only 7 of 19 while taking only 5 foul shots. It is very hard to defend Amare without fouling, but the refs seemed to swallow their whistles.

If the refs call a tight game, the Suns have a very good chance of winning tonight. But if they let the Spurs play "rollerball" defense, it could be a long night.

It will be interesting to see if Amare's call out of Bowen effects how the game is called.

Right on!!

 

[az1965]

I knew you tittie babies would be at it in full force.

It's "always" the refs. Whatever. It was overall a fairly officiated game.

Spurs will likely win the next a home and have you guys trying to dig out of a 3 game hole.

Spurs are this years Champs, get used to it.

A lot of the folks on this board who don't complain about officiating are screaming with their full lungs... you must be mentally challenged to not see the difference in officiating in this game. This game WAS decided by the refs, like it or not.

 

[Heavy D]

I went to SpurmsTalk and got this picture from one of the jackasses over there. To him, this proves that Amare got owned by Timmy. I'd like to thank him for proving one of my points that I made in an earlier post. Look at Duncan's left hand.

 

[mrkneebar]

Oh boo f'in who. He has his fingers grazing his ass. That CLEARLY affected the ****....you're such a putz.

 

[Scot1]

Trolls should imitate the style of their team. Right now, you should be looking incredulously, wide-eyed, at the great Judge in the sky and saying "Me!? Called a blind homer troll for for looking at biased calls and claiming they're fair?!?! Couldn't be!"

What I want to know is, where did Ginobili get that rapid-apply, not-smear mascara that he put on his eye after Marion's hand flailed in that direction? He probably wears it when he goes out nights, but Jeez, he could quit his BB job and sell that to women the world over!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Oh boo f'in who. He has his fingers grazing his ass. That CLEARLY affected the ****....you're such a putz.

uh, when a hand is pushing down on your lower back, it's gonn abe tough to elevate you earthworm.

 

[cly2tw]

I went to SpurmsTalk and got this picture from one of the jackasses over there. To him, this proves that Amare got owned by Timmy. I'd like to thank him for proving one of my points that I made in an earlier post. Look at Duncan's left hand.

The sad part is that his right hand swept right across Amare's hand instead of ball -- no call.

 

[CardShark]

I went to SpurmsTalk and got this picture from one of the jackasses over there. To him, this proves that Amare got owned by Timmy. I'd like to thank him for proving one of my points that I made in an earlier post. Look at Duncan's left hand.

This was the same play the network replayed that showed Duncan hitting Amare's arm before hitting the ball while at the same time pushing on his back. Two fouls in one play and neither were called.

This game was poorly officiated and had the potential of getting into a brawl. Stern needs to get a handle on this or the NBA will never lose that "it's fixed" tag that it developed. Only professional wrestling overrides them in that category.

 

[phxrising]

I knew you tittie babies would be at it in full force.

It's "always" the refs. Whatever. It was overall a fairly officiated game.

Spurs will likely win the next a home and have you guys trying to dig out of a 3 game hole.

Spurs are this years Champs, get used to it.

quotes from Spursreport, All from Spurs fans.


I'll admit it -- I think the Spurs got some calls their way tonight


i'm enjoying getting a few calls. it's clearly getting to nash and d'antoni.


I thought we got away with some contact on quite a few plays, but ABC was all too quick to show those plays as you can tell which team they are for


we got a lot of 50/50 calls tonight, I will admit.


There was one Amare foul though(his 4th) which shouldn't have been called.


looked to me like the refs were in the spurs pocket today


This was a very physical game. Nash had to suffer through a lot of no-calls


Nash probably deserved more calls

 

[ActingWild]

The Spurs defensive style is to foul the lower body as the refs are looking for hacks. Granted, they still get away with a lot of chops at the ball but they'll kick, trip and slide their hips into a Suns player and not get called for it because the refs simply aren't looking for it. That picture of Dunan on Amare is a great example, the refs are looking at the ball (and still blew the call on his hack) but completely miss him pushing Amare down with his other hand.

The Spurs have figured out how to cheat the system...foul the lower body and you'll get away with it 80% of the time.

 

[Linderbee]

The sad part is that his right hand swept right across Amare's hand instead of ball -- no call.

The hand is considered part of the ball...there would be no call for that.

 

[cly2tw]

The hand is considered part of the ball...there would be no call for that.

Not if you are in a shooting or dribbling MOTION! ******** it!

 

[Linderbee]

Not if you are in a shooting or dribbling MOTION! ******** it!

Not according to the NBA:

http://www.nba.com/features/misunderstoodrules_051128.html

Incidental Contact: The mere fact that contact occurs does not mean a foul has been committed. Players are allowed to contact other players when reaching for a loose ball, or when performing normal offensive and defensive movements. The hand is considered “ part of the ball” when it is in contact with the ball, and contact with a players hand when it is in contact with the ball is not a foul.

There's no "unless..." in there. That's how I have always known the rule to be.

 

[cly2tw]

Not according to the NBA:

http://www.nba.com/features/misunderstoodrules_051128.html There's no "unless..." in there. That's how I have always known the rule to be.

This is when the contact can be ruled "incidental"! Are you telling me that all contacts that occur while playing for the ball are to be ruled Incidental? If so, no foul would ever be called on any attempt to block one's shot for "incidentally" having swiped at the shooting hand!

 

[Joe Mama]

This is when the contact can be ruled "incidental"! Are you telling me that all contacts that occur while playing for the ball are to be ruled Incidental? If so, no foul would ever be called on any attempt to block one's shot for "incidentally" having swiped at the shooting hand!

Besides, if that's the play from the fourth quarter that they replayed a couple times it was clear that Tim Duncan did not just hit Amare Stoudemire's hand. He also hit his forearm and was shoving him on his hip.

People have to understand that the commentators generally tried to side with the referees. They enjoy showing that the complainers were wrong to complain.

If the NBA wants to go back to the 1990-2002 rough house style of basketball that eventually pushed fans away from the game they should continue to have the referees call all of the games like they did last night. That's not what the fans want though. That's not what the NBA said they wanted a few years back when they decided they were going to start enforcing the existing rules again.

Joe Mama

 

[TheCardFan]

This game WAS decided by the refs, like it or not.

Every year, every series, and nearly every loser says the same thing...It's been going on since the NBA started. Again, I thought the refs gave the Western Conference to the Trail Blazers and screwed the Spurs years ago.

The Suns are very talented but the Spurs are Champions, they know how to win, and play to win as a team.

 

[quick dog]

NBA officiating has been better this year than in the past, but the officiating in Game 3 was simply awful at times. With all the cameras at work in the playoffs, it is difficult to hide incompetence or true bias.

The most dramatic bad call that I saw last night was Tim Duncan hacking Steve Nash on the right wrist, under the basket, within six feet and full-view of a referee. I suppose Duncan is feeling pretty frisky after getting Joey Crawford fired.

 

[Linderbee]

This is when the contact can be ruled "incidental"! Are you telling me that all contacts that occur while playing for the ball are to be ruled Incidental? If so, no foul would ever be called on any attempt to block one's shot for "incidentally" having swiped at the shooting hand!

No, all contact with a hand that is placed on the ball is incidental...if the hand is not touching the ball, then it's not incidental. The image you were looking at his hand was clear all on the ball. Any contact made with that hand at that time is incidental.

 

[cly2tw]

No, all contact with a hand that is placed on the ball is incidental...if the hand is not touching the ball, then it's not incidental. The image you were looking at his hand was clear all on the ball. Any contact made with that hand at that time is incidental.

When you are shooting the ball and I go from the side trying to block you while hitting your on your shooting hand instead of the ball.And there is no other body contact. Is that a foul or should it be a no-call due to only incidental contact? If your answer is no-call. Then, tell me why I see so many fouls called on those plays. And why do defenders so often yell "I got all ball" (meaning no contact with hand) after being called. Actually, Amare got called for foul on blocking TD's dunk, which the replay showed clearly that 1) the ball was still in TD's hand and 2) it was "all ball" indeed.

And how do you distiguish going for the ball-holding hand or for the ball itself. Can I just grab one's hand to make him lose the ball?

 

[Gee!]

When you are shooting the ball and I go from the side trying to block you while hitting your on your shooting hand instead of the ball.And there is no other body contact. Is that a foul or should it be a no-call due to only incidental contact? If your answer is no-call. Then, tell me why I see so many fouls called on those plays. And why do defenders so often yell "I got all ball" (meaning no contact with hand) after being called. Actually, Amare got called for foul on blocking TD's dunk, which the replay showed clearly that 1) the ball was still in TD's hand and 2) it was "all ball" indeed.

And how do you distiguish going for the ball-holding hand or for the ball itself. Can I just grab one's hand to make him lose the ball?

slow down there.. these kinda calls happen all the time.. its game speed that it happens.. and its the same in every sport..

what cant be explained is Bowen and Manu's blatant nut checks that go uncalled and repremended..

 

[Errntknght]

Gee is right and that has been the rule as long as I remember. But like he says, its often hard to tell because the speed of the action, just where the hit took place, so refs frequently err. Watching in slow motion I often find it hard to tell and the best way is to follow the trajectory of the defenders hand and see if it's aimed squarely at the ball or below it.

Since the hand is part of the ball when it is in contact with the ball, its correct to claim 'I got all ball' and mean 'I got all ball and hand on the ball.'