How Will Turkoglu Be Used?

[Irish]

I am curious about how Hedo will be used. He does not resemble Amare, but appears to be a shooter with a quick release who can slash to the basket.

"The Turkish Menace" from 2 years ago http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Turkoglu+&aq=f

"Late Drama - Hedo Turkoglu Amazing Monster Clutch Block on Kobe" 2 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FctBABGPO8s&feature=fvst

Hedo Turkoglu Game Winner vs Celtics 2 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPpo0NyBeLA

Hedo Turkoglu Top Ten Plays in the season 07/08 2 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oalkCMiPLwk

Hedo Turkoglu to Toronto Preview Mix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFKeCRbDmjY

Hedo Turkoglu Top 10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgXEV7MQrrA

He has a high release of the ball and seems to be verycomfortable with mid range as well as three's.

Obviously highlight videos are not representative of a player's entire game, but it does suggest what he can do.

 

[Chaplin]

He has his faults, but the guy is CLUTCH. I don't think he gets a lot of credit for that.

 

[elindholm]

Jesus, George, had you even heard of him before? "He does not resemble Amare." Really?

 

[Irish]

Jesus, George, had you even heard of him before? "He does not resemble Amare." Really?

Actually he goes to basket better than I thought, but he still comes across as a finese guy. I'm not sure I see a PF, but he is a lot more like Diaw than I realized but a much better shooter.

I'm really intrigued by his passing, although not much of it was shown. Still, I did not see him challenge the defender or take a fouls he could avoid.

 

[Folster]

Hedo is Dirk Nowitzki-lite. He'll play well in the Suns system with Nash.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Watching the highlights Hedo's style of play reminds me alot of Larry Bird (I am not saying he is that good, just style of play). He has great ball handling skills, fantastic body control, and plays mostly below the rim. Seems to be a good passer.

I love great passing more than dunks, so it should be an enjoyable brand of ball to watch. Just now sure how we are going to get stops if we don't rebound the d_ ball.

 

[cly2tw]

Listen to Gentry. He said already how to use Hedo.

 

[mojorizen7]

Mojo's inanutshell scouting report on The Turk:

Like most Euro's he can shoot and pass. Like many tall Euro's he can handle the basketball a little bit too. Unlike most Euro's he isn't completely worthless on defense.
He's got no problem taking big shots either.

 

[Mainstreet]

The thing I noticed most by watching the video is Turkoglu can create his own shot. No knock on Amare but for the most part he needed someone to set the table. This could really help Nash especially since Turkoglu is another passer on the court.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The thing I noticed most by watching the video is Turkoglu can create his own shot. No knock on Amare but for the most part he needed someone to set the table. This could really help Nash especially since Turkoglu is another passer on the court.

Amare got the shot he wanted for the most part.

 

[Mainstreet]

Amare got the shot he wanted for the most part.

Again, I'm not knocking Amare in any way, however, he usually had to get his shots from players like Nash passing him the ball once he got position. Turkoglu seems like a player that if you pass him the ball in the waning seconds of the clockshot, he can create his own shot even if he is far from the basket.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Again, I'm not knocking Amare in any way, however, he usually had to get his shots from players like Nash passing him the ball once he got position. Turkoglu seems like a player that if you pass him the ball in the waning seconds of the clockshot, he can create his own shot even if he is far from the basket.

That's usually his job at that position, again He's a PF; he isn't going to be hanging out in the perimeter, needing to create his own shot. When he gets the ball, (usually from about 18' and in) he gets the shot he wants.

 

[elindholm]

When he gets the ball, (usually from about 18' and in) he gets the shot he wants.

I disagree. Stoudemire's solo act was one of the Suns' least efficient offensive sets.

 

[nashman]

Agree elindholm it was almost painful to try and watch Amare create and take terrible shots shots and yell and one as he threw up a brick or got it stolen on the way to the basket! Amares' success was mostly when Nash was setting him up.

 

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[Suns_fan69]

Agree elindholm it was almost painful to try and watch Amare create and take terrible shots shots and yell and one as he threw up a brick or got it stolen on the way to the basket! Amares' success was mostly when Nash was setting him up.

Don't forget when he bulldozes the help defender for a turnover AND a personal foul. That's my favorite.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I disagree. Stoudemire's solo act was one of the Suns' least efficient offensive sets.

I said he gets any shot he wants, I didn't say it was always effective or the most efficient.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I said he gets any shot he wants, I didn't say it was always effective or the most efficient.

I still disagree. When he first added his mid-range shot, he could get just about any shot he wanted. This current edition of Amare is often forced to settle for shots or drives that no one would want. Give him a wide open jumper or hit him on the move for a drive and he is still a force but hand it to a guarded Amare twelve to sixteen feet from the basket and more ofthen than not you have a turnover or a forced shot on your hands.

Steve

 

[cly2tw]

I still disagree. When he first added his mid-range shot, he could get just about any shot he wanted. This current edition of Amare is often forced to settle for shots or drives that no one would want. Give him a wide open jumper or hit him on the move for a drive and he is still a force but hand it to a guarded Amare twelve to sixteen feet from the basket and more ofthen than not you have a turnover or a forced shot on your hands.

Steve

Steve,

should I take your bait on mentioning certain player about which ever edition of his?

Well, I'll bite. Amare was better than Dwight Howard and Al Jefferson after being given the same Career number of attempts to create. Fair?

As DCR mentioned in this thread, he could get off any shot he wanted. So, it might be just a question of refinement on shot selection after the initial moves. And that needs time. But who else could even get to the point close to basket Amare could?

Whether he is mere product of Nash, we will witness that soon enough this coming season. As to his jumper, I guess everybody was referring to game 6 WCF where he had tons of open 12-16 jumpers but decided to drive anyway. I'll put it under lack of confidence the first season after the recovery of eye surgery. Players don't just lose skills they acquired, unlike athlectic gift that fades with age. We'll see.

 

[BC867]

Players don't just lose skills they acquired, unlike athlectic gift that fades with age. We'll see.

Acquired skills could fade with age just like natural skills.

They could also fade as the opposition adjusts to them. And they do.

An accurate 18-foot shot such as Amar'e acquired, for example, could indeed fade just as that of a pure shooter (Steve Nash, for example), as fatigue, back pain, etc., take its toll, not to mention vision and knees.

 

[Sunburn]

His skill of taking the ball to the basket is based on athleticism, and, thus, will fade relatively quickly. Shooting is more of a finesse, learned skill and will be around a lot longer, well beyond retirement age.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Steve,

should I take your bait on mentioning certain player about which ever edition of his?

Well, I'll bite. Amare was better than Dwight Howard and Al Jefferson after being given the same Career number of attempts to create. Fair?

As DCR mentioned in this thread, he could get off any shot he wanted. So, it might be just a question of refinement on shot selection after the initial moves. And that needs time. But who else could even get to the point close to basket Amare could?

Whether he is mere product of Nash, we will witness that soon enough this coming season. As to his jumper, I guess everybody was referring to game 6 WCF where he had tons of open 12-16 jumpers but decided to drive anyway. I'll put it under lack of confidence the first season after the recovery of eye surgery. Players don't just lose skills they acquired, unlike athlectic gift that fades with age. We'll see.

Just to set the record straight, I am an Amare fan. I think he took abuse here at times that was unwarranted. But the Amare that finished this last season was not the mid-range threat he used to be. Part of it was a reduction in athleticism but I think the goggles/eyesight caused more problems than people realize. How many times did we see him get stripped driving to the basket? That didn't use to happen. I also think the goggles affected his outside shot. And I think it took him more time to process what he was seeing.

I've never been one of the proponents of the "Nash made Amare" theory. I think they each benefitted from the skills of the other. I hope he can regain all that he has lost but if not, I think he's matured enough as an offensive player that he will find ways to get his points without Nash. He probably won't be as efficient but he'll still draw fouls and he'll still throw a few down every game.

Steve

 

[cly2tw]

Acquired skills could fade with age just like natural skills.

They could also fade as the opposition adjusts to them. And they do.

An accurate 18-foot shot such as Amar'e acquired, for example, could indeed fade just as that of a pure shooter (Steve Nash, for example), as fatigue, back pain, etc., take its toll, not to mention vision and knees.

Shooting skill rarely fades with age, but in-game fatigue or injeries do affect it. Most likely cause for Amare's was adjustment to vision problem. It takes time but there is no reason he wouldn't get used to it.

Just to set the record straight, I am an Amare fan. I think he took abuse here at times that was unwarranted. But the Amare that finished this last season was not the mid-range threat he used to be. Part of it was a reduction in athleticism but I think the goggles/eyesight caused more problems than people realize. How many times did we see him get stripped driving to the basket? That didn't use to happen. I also think the goggles affected his outside shot. And I think it took him more time to process what he was seeing.

I've never been one of the proponents of the "Nash made Amare" theory. I think they each benefitted from the skills of the other. I hope he can regain all that he has lost but if not, I think he's matured enough as an offensive player that he will find ways to get his points without Nash. He probably won't be as efficient but he'll still draw fouls and he'll still throw a few down every game.

Steve

I know. It's cool. As to stripping the ball, it's definitely result of strength and game condition. He was improving on that aspect over the whole last season. With Amare, only health and coaching would stop him from making the best out of his talent. I say coaching because players like Nash who could do all the improvement by himselves are rare. And we saw how well Amare responded to Gentry's to become a better player to make up for the loss of athletism.

PS: just found this
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/07/top-25-mid-range-shooters/2/
Amare as the #12 among best midrange shooters. And 68% of them are assisted, at about the same level with TD at #19 and Bosh at #10, lower than Dirk, Boozer, KG, and David Lee. Interesting.

 

[mojorizen7]

Just to set the record straight, I am an Amare fan. I think he took abuse here at times that was unwarranted. But the Amare that finished this last season was not the mid-range threat he used to be. Part of it was a reduction in athleticism but I think the goggles/eyesight caused more problems than people realize. How many times did we see him get stripped driving to the basket? That didn't use to happen. I also think the goggles affected his outside shot. And I think it took him more time to process what he was seeing.

I've never been one of the proponents of the "Nash made Amare" theory. I think they each benefitted from the skills of the other. I hope he can regain all that he has lost but if not, I think he's matured enough as an offensive player that he will find ways to get his points without Nash. He probably won't be as efficient but he'll still draw fouls and he'll still throw a few down every game.

Steve

Excellent point....and eye agree.