HUTCHINSON offer has major poison pill

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Wow check out the contract

HUTCHINSON OFFER HAS MAJOR POISON PILL

A league source tells us that the offer sheet signed by Seahawks guard Steve Hutchinson with the Minnesota Vikings contains a poison pill of unprecedented magnitude and significance, which is aimed at preventing Seattle from exercising its right to match the deal, pursuant to the rules applicable to transition players.

Apart from a 2006 cap number that exceeds $13 million, the offer sheet contains a provision that makes the entire deal guaranteed if Hutchinson at any point becomes anything other than the highest paid player on the team.

From Seattle's perspective, that's a big problem, in light of the Walter Jones contract. If the Seahawks match, Hutchinson's deal could indeed become fully guaranteed from day one.

The Seahawks could attempt to match the offer and exclude the poison pill provision, taking the position that it is not a "Principal Term" of the deal. Under Article XX, Section 5 of the CBA, only the "Principal Terms" must be matched.

So what are "Principle Terms"? Under Article XIX, Section 3(e)(ii) of the CBA, "Principle Terms" include "[a]ny modifications of and additions to the terms contained in the NFL Player Contract . . . that relate to non-compensation terms (including guarantees, no-cut, and no-trade provisions)." Applying the language literally, the poison pill "relates to" a guarantee because it sets forth a specific circumstance in which the specified compensation will become guaranteed.

There's a chance that the Seahawks will attempt to fashion an argument that the trigger for the guarantee violates the spirit of the CBA by placing an artificial limit on the money that can be paid to other players. But, in reality, it doesn't -- it merely provides the player who ultimately is not the highest paid player a guaranteed contract.

Though the issue ultimately might land before an arbitrator, we think that the Vikings will prevail on this one.

We're also told that the Seahawks are livid at Hutchinson and agent Tom Condon with this development. It's one thing, as they see it, for a guy to get the best offer he can on the open market. It's another thing to huddle with the new team in an effort to come up with an offer that the Seahawks can't or won't be able to match.


Seahawks must account for the full 2006 cap number in excess of $13 million under their current cap room, which at the launch of free agency was reported to be in the range of $17 million. Again, no. The 'Hawks already were carrying $6.39 million in 2006 cap space due to the transition tag that was applied to Hutchinson, so the "new" cap hit this year for the Seahawks will be the different between the 2006 cap number under the offer sheet and the amount of the one-year transition tender.
 

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ThunderCard said:
Apart from a 2006 cap number that exceeds $13 million, the offer sheet contains a provision that makes the entire deal guaranteed if Hutchinson at any point becomes anything other than the highest paid player on the team.


That is creative and DAMN FUNNY!! :biglaugh:

Stickin it to Seattle in everyway HAHA!
 

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Seahawks have no one to blame but themselves for trying to save a few hundred thousand by transitioning instead of franchising Hutchinson and/or trying to get someone else to negotiate his contract. Too clever by half

Cry me a river. :sad:
 

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ThunderCard said:
We're also told that the Seahawks are livid at Hutchinson and agent Tom Condon with this development. It's one thing, as they see it, for a guy to get the best offer he can on the open market. It's another thing to huddle with the new team in an effort to come up with an offer that the Seahawks can't or won't be able to match.

This is stupid. Why would the Vikings waste time signing him to a contract that they know the Seahawks will match. Of course they're going to make it as ugly as they possibly can.
 

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If the Seahawks lose Hutchinson that will have a major impact on their team and their offense. That would be good news for Card fans.
 

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devilalum said:
This is stupid. Why would the Vikings waste time signing him to a contract that they know the Seahawks will match. Of course they're going to make it as ugly as they possibly can.

I think that's the point. No way are the Seahawks going to match this.
 

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And every time I tried to say we could do this, I was laughed at and told teams couldn't do it :mad:
I agreed with you. Seattle took that chance. They have no one to blame but themselves.Hutchinson isn't worth that kind of money but you let a talented guy hit the market and teams will do what they can to get him.
 

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Very creative on the Vikings part-- although this is the kind of thing that could come back to haunt them in the near future -- if they have to go get another big free agent at some point in the next few years, they may be subject to that same poison pill.
 

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The so called poison pill might not have to be matched by the Seahawks. CBA terms state that teams have to match the basic offers. This could end up in arbitration.
 

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IN past years this is an example of what would happen to the Cardinals. Are the Seahawks going to be the next same old Hawks.

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The seahawk fans (some seahawk fans) have a short memory. Over on seahawksals.com they are running off at the mouth. AzCard21 gives them a little bit every now and then but for the most part they think their crap doesn't stink.

Slowly but surely the hawks are gonna be a huge rival (for me), more so than the lambs and whiners!!

I hope Hutch goes to the Vikes and any other FA hawk. Then the Cards hand Seattle two L's next season. Payback is a biotch!!!
 

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PortlandCardFan said:
The seahawk fans (some seahawk fans) have a short memory. Over on seahawksals.com they are running off at the mouth. AzCard21 gives them a little bit every now and then but for the most part they think their crap doesn't stink.

Slowly but surely the hawks are gonna be a huge rival (for me), more so than the lambs and whiners!!

I hope Hutch goes to the Vikes and any other FA hawk. Then the Cards hand Seattle two L's next season. Payback is a biotch!!!

I still appreciate Migrating Osprey, but their fan base in general is starting to annoy me.
 

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The seahawk fans (some seahawk fans) have a short memory. Over on seahawksals.com they are running off at the mouth. AzCard21 gives them a little bit every now and then but for the most part they think their crap doesn't stink.

Slowly but surely the hawks are gonna be a huge rival (for me), more so than the lambs and whiners!!

I hope Hutch goes to the Vikes and any other FA hawk. Then the Cards hand Seattle two L's next season. Payback is a biotch!!



I still appreciate Migrating Osprey, but their fan base in general is starting to annoy me.
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Yep... that is why I add the part in bold.
 

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I thought they would keep Hutch and lose Shaun Alexander. What is Seattle thinking? They should of franchised him. This could be great news for us
 

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PortlandCardFan said:
The seahawk fans (some seahawk fans) have a short memory. Over on seahawksals.com they are running off at the mouth. AzCard21 gives them a little bit every now and then but for the most part they think their crap doesn't stink.

Slowly but surely the hawks are gonna be a huge rival (for me), more so than the lambs and whiners!!

I hope Hutch goes to the Vikes and any other FA hawk. Then the Cards hand Seattle two L's next season. Payback is a biotch!!!

They've had a huge jump in annoying bandwaggon types the last year. It's bound to happen with success I guess.
 

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Tells me 2 things. Hutch is greedy and really doesn't like it in Seattle.

Although I'm happy it's happening to Seattle , this deal kind of reeks.
 

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AzCards21 said:
They've had a huge jump in annoying bandwaggon types the last year. It's bound to happen with success I guess.

I hate that crap... If the Cards start winning I want to make sure we don't let bandwagon fans act like those morons.
 

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I hate that crap... If the Cards start winning I want to make sure we don't let bandwagon fans act like those morons.

It will happen here too, gauranteed.
 

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The poison pill comes into play if he isnt the highest paid lineman on the team, not player. I read that post about it coming into effect if he isnt the highest paid player on the team, but that didnt make sense to me. Now it has been corrected and if Hutch isnt the highest paid O-Lineman on the team, his 50 mil is guaranteed.

This makes much more sense, because of Walter Jones' contract.
 

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it is unstoppable - it's the other side of the coin

as for the deal - i think this will end up in arbitration or seattle will take compensation not to match

as stated in previous threads - you can't stop a team from making a stupid offer and a stupid offer can come as easily this year as it can next year

this could also end up in arbitration as the deal wouldn't be like terms and conditions since hutch would be the highest paid viking out of the gate with no guaranteed portion

with the hawks this deal would automatically put him in the second portion making the whole process guaranteed out of the gate

this was an aggressive move by the vikings - but maybe not the smartest ... it means if they want flexibility they have to keep an interior OL players as their highest paid guy for the next span of time - what will this do to mckinnie and his situation - how about signing other big name skill positions

i still like the transition tag - forces the issue - seattle can still squeeze another year out of chris gray at RG and use a guy like chop womack at LG while training a young replacement (probably max jean gilles in the first round)

although I really like hutch and losing him would be a blow - i think the best thing would be to make a deal with MN where they refuse to match and fight this through arbitration and take a draft pick as compensation

I would even settle for their 2nd rounder - that would allow seattle to get a good LB and OG in their first two picks and then have $23M or so in cap space to continue hunting this year
 

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en fuego said:
Very creative on the Vikings part-- although this is the kind of thing that could come back to haunt them in the near future -- if they have to go get another big free agent at some point in the next few years, they may be subject to that same poison pill.

that's exactly what i was thinking. this could come back to bite the vikes in the butt. what that poison pill is saying is that for the duration of hutchinson's contract with the vikings a guard will be their highest paid player. is that wise?
 

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slanidrac16 said:
Tells me 2 things. Hutch is greedy and really doesn't like it in Seattle.

Although I'm happy it's happening to Seattle , this deal kind of reeks.

how can you make those statements? we know nothing about the guy. i can't blame any football player for getting as much money as he can. it's a short-lived career, make your money. and maybe the only way that the vikes would agree to such a lucrative contract was if the poison pill would be included to ensure that the seahawks wouldn't match. maybe hutch does like seattle but knows he can't get as much money there and the only way he can get a deal of this magnitude is by allowing the poison pill. this deal doesn't reek, it's imaginative and clever (even though it may, as i commented earlier, put the vikes in a weird contract situation down the line).

and you're really gonna call hutch "greedy" the day after james signed with the cards? so he's greedy too, huh?
 
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