Hypothetical.... if Amare had to be traded...

[dodie53]

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maybe substitute Aldridge and Joel for Raef

 

[carey]

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maybe substitute Aldridge and Joel for Raef

Huh? You want an expiring deal and Rudy for Amare? What so you can sign Boozer who's going to be in Miami anyway?

 

[JS22]

Huh? You want an expiring deal and Rudy for Amare? What so you can sign Boozer who's going to be in Miami anyway?

No, because there is no way the Blazers would give up that much talent for Amare - who plays zero defense and is averaging 20/8.

 

[LV-Suns]

I don't usually do trade proposals (as you could probably tell), but here's my attempt at an Amare trade.


Joel Przybilla
Salary: $6,310,150 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 5.4 REB: 7.8 AST: 0.4 PER: 16.62

Rudy Fernandez
Salary: $1,084,080 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 11.0 REB: 3.1 AST: 2.1 PER: 16.25

LaMarcus Aldridge
Salary: $4,631,400 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 17.5 REB: 6.9 AST: 1.9 PER: 18.90

for

Amare Stoudemire
Salary: $15,070,550 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 21.3 REB: 8.1 AST: 2.2 PER: 21.53

I would do this deal instantly even if LB has to be added.

 

[cly2tw]

What about??

Nets:
Amare Stoudemire F/C
Louis Amundson PF


Suns:
Yi Jianlian PF
Brook Lopez F/C
1st Rounder
Bobby Simmons


Nets would have a strong ********* with Stoudemire, Harris, and Carter... Suns would reload and as bad as Simmons contract is, it expires in 2010 and I'd feel better with Yi and Brook around for at least 4-5+ years and obviously a 1st Rounder.


Just not sure how well the two big man are playing other than stats (I only watch Suns games) but Yi would stretch the court like Dirk; Brook and Robin would be a nice combo to reload with after Shaq leaves... just would've liked a PG out of deal.

Nets would be an instant contender with this deal. With Harris and Carter taking apart the defense, Amare would have space to operate like he used to with a younger Nash two years ago. That trio would be unstoppable.

 

[TBaslim]

I would sit down with Amare and get a really good idea of where his head is at right now. Then I would scan the heck out of his knees.

If he's just done with the coach, fine. Get a new coach and old Amare is back.

If he's done with the team, or is just not bright enough to learn to play nice with other superstars, or his knees are bothering him, fire the coach and then trade him for Dirk straight-up. All-star starter for former MVP. Dirk needs a change too - Dallas stinks right now.

Assuming Porter is gone, Dirk and Nash would revive each other, and would be deadly playing with Shaq up front. Team would run less, but the half-court offense would be much improved.

Team defense would still be awful, but the improved chemistry and spacing might be enough to make WCFinals again riding a juggernaut offense.

And I think Dirk is actually a better defender then Amare at this point. That's sad to say.

 

[TBaslim]

And, regardless of whether they trade Amare, they need to figure out a way to get one more decent, athletic defender into the rotation. It would go a long way. Either a PF who can defend while Shaq or Amare/Dirk sit, or an athletic hustle guard who can play off Nash, Barbs or JRich.

 

[AceP]

The problem of Amare's rebounding is inconsistency. He did 20 in one game, 10~15 in several other games, then a lot of games like last few. Dirk is not a better rebounder overall, he is not better in defence either. But ...

For the moment, Amare wants to be the man more than he wants to win. I'm not sure he can change that mind-set. Further more, I'm not even sure how much he wants to win. He is still young, 26, less matured as a person, less concerned about the chance and window of winning. He might be thinking, "I can become the man first, plenty of time left to win".

Dirk, already 30, has much more experience in life than Amare, has already been the man in a winning team, has been trying to win a championship in past few seasons, has once lead his team into final and failed. I think, he is much more eager to win than Amare, and understand there is not many years left for him. He should be more willing to adjust his own game to help the team. With that mind-set, a 30 years old Dirk could rebounder better and defend better, just like 36 years old Shaq could improve his FT.

 

[nashman]

I would trade him for Dirk in a heartbeat at this point, more scoring and better rebounder and better defender at least he makes his guy work, oh and he can score in bunches!

 

[cly2tw]

I would trade him for Dirk in a heartbeat at this point, more scoring and better rebounder and better defender at least he makes his guy work, oh and he can score in bunches!

If we did that, we'd be screwed for playoffs for sure.

 

[jandaman]

I dont think the Suns will be "screwed" automatically with Nowitski at the lineup as opposed to Stoudemire.

Because the defense will ALWAYS try to matchup.... Stoudemire as an inside player with O'Neal.... its easier to stop at the moment, as O'Neal is the focal and Stoudemire becomming a jump shooter .
Also the defense favours that, put a traditional lineup and with Stoudemire shooting mid range, its ideal.

With Nowitski, the other team's PF or C will have to come out and guard him at the mid or arc.... Nowitski can also put the ball down. So you either put a SF on him, in which Nowitski can still be effective against (see marion vs nowitski history)... and if the other team does.. then it leaves 1 BIG man on the court.... in which O'Neal can take advantage... basically "its OKAY" for the Suns if Nowitski is shooting mid ranges all game... because thats his main game.... but if its Stoudemire that is limited to shooting mid range its BAD for the Suns, thats what the defense wants... also again mismatches with Nowitski ON...

 

[mojorizen7]

Personally, i'm of the opinion that while the turnovers have obviously been a problem offensively, there's nothing really wrong with our offense.
Its our defense(like a broken record with this franchise)thats once again IS the glaring weakness and ultimate sinkhole for this team.
I like Dirk and i think he'd be an upgrade next to Shaq over Amare next to Shaq...but Dirk is prob only a marginally better defender than Amare...and they both stink.

 

[nashman]

Dirk has a much more diverse SCORING game than Amare though, as in he doesn't need to be in the lane with Shaq and adds a much better perimiter scorer. And Dirk imo does play better D than Amare at this point and is smarter doesn't commit or get whistled for lots of stupid fouls that put him on the bench!

 

[mojorizen7]

Dirk has a much more diverse SCORING game than Amare though, as in he doesn't need to be in the lane with Shaq and adds a much better perimiter scorer. And Dirk imo does play better D than Amare at this point and is smarter doesn't commit or get whistled for lots of stupid fouls that put him on the bench!

+1

 

[jandaman]

Someone at the Suns board posted a link.
Suggesting that Stoudemire is to be moved...

I think ultimately, the reason why the Suns would do this (along with other small reasons). Is that Stoudemire will opt out 2010.

Suns are deemed to be mediocre, so Stoudemire at the least would enjoy playing in a system like the Knicks or a contender.

 

[cly2tw]

Stoudemire if moved would be a best fit in Utah as Sloan would know how to use him properly.

Amare has a stronger driving move than Dirk. He gets double teamed more than Dirk. Also, on defense, all we can claim is Dirk is on average a more willing defender than Amare. However, Amare when motivated is an adequate defender I'd rate a little above Dirk.

 

[nashman]

Amare when motivated? How the hell does someone do that, his sorry ass should be motivated by the gobs of money and wanting to be a superstar. This is the precise reason we should trade him, he is talented but also dumb and doesn't put forth the effort we should EXPECT from a max player!