I’m Not the Only One Who Thinks They’re Tanking

[Jetstream Green]

 

[Jetstream Green]

I would argue that if you were tearing it down and rebuilding, there would not be a place for Ertz or Conner or Beachum on this roster. Also, you would have started re-building in free agency vs skipping free agency.

Our offseason is broken down to this.

1 - We let some of our best, young players sign elsewhere.

2 - Participated in the draft, prioritizing 2024 assets.

3 - Cut our best player.

None of this fits the "building" part of "rebuilding".

Weez rebuilding in the sense we are clearing the deck for the construction trucks to show up with the goods, and I do believe in the current staff to draft better.. though that is not much of a stretch compared to Ka Ka Keim

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Weez rebuilding in the sense we are clearing the deck for the construction trucks to show up with the goods, and I do believe in the current staff to draft better.. though that is not much of a stretch compared to Ka Ka Keim

The concern is that you're not going to rebuild through the draft alone - at best, you may get one or two guys every year that contribute right away, and maybe a couple later on.

Ignoring all other avenues of improvement seems to be a rather narrow opportunity for success.

 

[Jetstream Green]

The concern is that you're not going to rebuild through the draft alone - at best, you may get one or two guys every year that contribute right away, and maybe a couple later on.

Ignoring all other avenues of improvement seems to be a rather narrow opportunity for success.

The draft is the major major major foundation of any stable franchise and why overspending in free agency till you really know what you have with the draft is not very advantageous... well, that makes sense to me at least

 

[Chopper0080]

Weez rebuilding in the sense we are clearing the deck for the construction trucks to show up with the goods, and I do believe in the current staff to draft better.. though that is not much of a stretch compared to Ka Ka Keim

I have zero reason to believe Monti is competent as a GM. He has earned that belief by choosing to not participate in the off-season other than the draft. Even in that, he passed on a top prospect in 2023 for an unknown in 2024. Maybe he will turn out to be, I don't know, but in his first year as GM he has constructed one of the worst rosters in the NFL. He is a failure until he is not.

 

[kerouac9]

The draft is the major major major foundation of any stable franchise and why overspending in free agency till you really know what you have with the draft is not very advantageous... well, that makes sense to me at least

Examples?

 

[Chopper0080]

The draft is the major major major foundation of any stable franchise and why overspending in free agency till you really know what you have with the draft is not very advantageous... well, that makes sense to me at least

What is overspending? Paying market rate? Even if the Cardinals chose to forego the top of the market, nothing prohibited them from selecting from the mid market.

It takes all avenues to build a good roster. Trade. FA. Re-signing players. The draft. We elected to only use one.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I have zero reason to believe Monti is competent as a GM. He has earned that belief by choosing to not participate in the off-season other than the draft. Even in that, he passed on a top prospect in 2023 for an unknown in 2024. Maybe he will turn out to be, I don't know, but in his first year as GM he has constructed one of the worst rosters in the NFL. He is a failure until he is not.

I have zero facts to believe or not believe, but I do know or rather not feeling out of whack he can draft better than Keim... come on

 

[Jetstream Green]

I have zero reason to believe Monti is competent as a GM. He has earned that belief by choosing to not participate in the off-season other than the draft. Even in that, he passed on a top prospect in 2023 for an unknown in 2024. Maybe he will turn out to be, I don't know, but in his first year as GM he has constructed one of the worst rosters in the NFL. He is a failure until he is not.

 

[Billy Bob]

You need a coach to buy into tank, see Brian Flores.

So you see Gannon buying into a tanked season, rather than rebuilding a team with his own people?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

and why overspending in free agency till you really know what you have with the draft is not very advantageous... well, that makes sense to me at least

Yes- if you're trying to sell a front office on years of job security, this is a hell of a pitch. You're talking about years down the line in a year to year league.

Who said anything about overspending in FA? Not every FA is an overpay!

 

[Jetstream Green]

Examples?

Eagles getting to the Super Bowl with their drafted roster as one of freaking many... rock on unless you liked Keim overspending

 

[kerouac9]

I have zero reason to believe Monti is competent as a GM. He has earned that belief by choosing to not participate in the off-season other than the draft. Even in that, he passed on a top prospect in 2023 for an unknown in 2024. Maybe he will turn out to be, I don't know, but in his first year as GM he has constructed one of the worst rosters in the NFL. He is a failure until he is not.

People aren't really considering the possibility that Houston could be good or even mediocre this year.

They play the AFC North and NFC South along with the AFC South.

Could they beat Tampa, Carolina, and Atlanta? Maybe!

Could they beat Pittsburgh and Cleveland? Potentially!

Could they go 3-3 against Indy, Jacksonville, and Tennessee? Could be!

If the Texans go 8-9 and Monti gets the 12th pick in the draft for trading out of #3 overall, are we gonna feel super-good?

 

[Chopper0080]

I have zero facts to believe or not believe, but I do know or rather not feeling out of whack he can draft better than Keim... come on

Lots of inexperienced, first-time GMs get fired for being as bad at the draft as Keim was. Monti would not be the first. And, he definitely will get fired if he chooses to only build through the draft because he doesn't have 5 seasons to build a winner. He inherited a roster with limited talent, and has made it worse.

 

[Chopper0080]

People aren't really considering the possibility that Houston could be good or even mediocre this year.

They play the AFC North and NFC South along with the AFC South.

Could they beat Tampa, Carolina, and Atlanta? Maybe!

Could they beat Pittsburgh and Cleveland? Potentially!

Could they go 3-3 against Indy, Jacksonville, and Tennessee? Could be!

If the Texans go 8-9 and Monti gets the 12th pick in the draft for trading out of #3 overall, are we gonna feel super-good?

Definitely possible.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I would argue that if you were tearing it down and rebuilding, there would not be a place for Ertz or Conner or Beachum on this roster. Also, you would have started re-building in free agency vs skipping free agency.

Our offseason is broken down to this.

1 - We let some of our best, young players sign elsewhere.

2 - Participated in the draft, prioritizing 2024 assets.

3 - Cut our best player.

None of this fits the "building" part of "rebuilding".

All 3 of these players aren't likely to be on the roster after this year. Beachum is a one year deal, Connor will likely be cut after this year. The same goes with Ertz, although could stay due to his Eagles connection.

 

[kerouac9]

Eagles getting to the Super Bowl with their drafted roster as one of freaking many... rock on unless you liked Keim overspending

Must've missed when they drafted A.J. Brown, Marcus Epps, C.J. Gardner-Johnson, and Darius Slay.

Definitely missed how everyone else was totally on their first contract with the team and wasn't re-signed from a previous administration.

 

[Chopper0080]

Eagles getting to the Super Bowl with their drafted roster as one of freaking many... rock on unless you liked Keim overspending

Gardner-Johnson, Darius Slay, Aj Brown, James Bradberry, Haason Reddick, and Jason Hargrave weren't drafted by the Eagles.

 

[Chopper0080]

borg (i hope i did that correctly)

 

[Chopper0080]

All 3 of these players aren't likely to be on the roster after this year. Beachum is a one year deal, Connor will likely be cut after this year. The same goes with Ertz, although could stay due to his Eagles connection.

Creating more holes on a roster full of them, and following an off-season where we chose to ignore the ones we already had. If the goal is not to be competitive for 4 years, we are certainly on the right track.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Creating more holes on a roster full of them, and following an off-season where we chose to ignore the ones we already had. If the goal is not to be competitive for 4 years, we are certainly on the right track.

I guess I'm not understanding your point. You are arguing that there shouldn't be a place in a rebuilding team for those 3 players. I'm saying that they won't be here after this year, which we seemingly agree. Yet somehow we don't?

 

[kerouac9]

I guess I'm not understanding your point. You are arguing that there shouldn't be a place in a rebuilding team for those 3 players. I'm saying that they won't be here after this year, which we seemingly agree. Yet somehow we don't?

Because their cap holds will. Ertz will have a dead cap hold of $5 million in 2024 if he's released before June 1. Conner will have a dead cap hold of $3 million if released in 2024.

If the idea is to "take our medicine and get right with the cap" this year to maximize flexibility next year, what are these dudes doing on the roster?

I think Beachum is fine as a third tackle/sixth OL through 2024, TBH.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I have zero reason to believe Monti is competent as a GM. He has earned that belief by choosing to not participate in the off-season other than the draft. Even in that, he passed on a top prospect in 2023 for an unknown in 2024. Maybe he will turn out to be, I don't know, but in his first year as GM he has constructed one of the worst rosters in the NFL. He is a failure until he is not.

I was going to post something very similar.
Lots of blind faith being thrown at Monti and Gannon.

Hell, neither was even Mikey’s first choice. Now they’re the architects of a complete roster makeover and many are happy just because it’s not Steve Keim.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Because their cap holds will. Ertz will have a dead cap hold of $5 million in 2024 if he's released before June 1. Conner will have a dead cap hold of $3 million if released in 2024.

If the idea is to "take our medicine and get right with the cap" this year to maximize flexibility next year, what are these dudes doing on the roster?

I think Beachum is fine as a third tackle/sixth OL through 2024, TBH.

If the Cards are willing to eat 20M for their best player and cut him anyway, why would 3 and 5 matter?

 

[Billy Bob]

Because their cap holds will. Ertz will have a dead cap hold of $5 million in 2024 if he's released before June 1. Conner will have a dead cap hold of $3 million if released in 2024.

If the idea is to "take our medicine and get right with the cap" this year to maximize flexibility next year, what are these dudes doing on the roster?

I think Beachum is fine as a third tackle/sixth OL through 2024, TBH.

Because, maybe we're not tanking?