I am really convinced by Q (Dan Patrick Interview)

[SightsSoundsBach13]

Two surprises in the interview, Anquan says he does think he's the team's best receiver. I'm suprised Dan Patrick didn't statistically make the case for Fitzgerald but it's not like that would've changed Q's mind. I agree that it's Anquan but most receivers would've been more vague with their answer. But, Anquan isn't most receivers.

Then, he says the contract offer he got from the Cardinals didn't have any guaranteed money. A guy like Anquan who does play in a renegade fashion I think should have some guaranteed money as a reward for him risking bodily harm. Though that might be the same reason he didn't have guaranteed money. If Joe Horn can get guaranteed money, there's no reason they couldn't have guaranteed the first year of a new deal.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Two surprises in the interview, Anquan says he does think he's the team's best receiver. I'm suprised Dan Patrick didn't statistically make the case for Fitzgerald but it's not like that would've changed Q's mind. I agree that it's Anquan but most receivers would've been more vague with their answer. But, Anquan isn't most receivers.

Then, he says the contract offer he got from the Cardinals didn't have any guaranteed money. A guy like Anquan who does play in a renegade fashion I think should have some guaranteed money as a reward for him risking bodily harm. Though that might be the same reason he didn't have guaranteed money. If Joe Horn can get guaranteed money, there's no reason they couldn't have guaranteed the first year of a new deal.

He just got 10M guaranteed 2 years before. He can have a new deal next year. Every two years doesn't cut it.

 

[Pariah]

In fairness a deal without guaranteed money is a toothless contract. IMO, that IS a slap in the face.

That said, I'd bet the Cards were/are willing to move away from that contract and add some guaranteed money to it.

 

[Hog'sWad271]

Clears a few things up for sure

The THREE most crucial statements made by Anquan in my view:

1 -- I am going to play hard this season, and will not walk out of camp or let my teammates down.

2 -- The Cardinals have made it clear I won't be traded, so I am a member of this organization.

3 -- I do not want my teammates to be distracted by this.

The #1 paramount thing that matters to this team right now is to have a winning season in '08. A team with the Cardinals' history has a major psychological barrier to break though, but they also have an excellent chance to win this season with above average talent and (at least) very competent coaching.

Boldin is going to play, and catch the ball when we throw it to him. Stop me if I'm wrong Sandy but those are the two most important issues here. If the man's feelings are hurt I guess that's too bad, but we need him to play hard and be positive in the locker room. This year. That's it. Just get the ball over the d*** net for the first time.

If the Cardinals get over the hump with a 10 or 11 win season then we can go back and do the "assets, draft picks, future of this team" stuff and trade Q or resign him or whatever. A playoff season will produce a lot of positive snowball effect for the next few years to come -- the refs will be a little less unfair, the media hype helps intimidate your opponents, and the team has the confidence of a returning playoff contender. Other WR's will have had chances to develop further, the team has an offseason to make the choice and prepare to play with/without Q.

But this season is too precious and too SOON to worry about someone's feelings if those emotions are peripheral to the number one goal, of winning. I give Whis credit for staying the course in this regard. We just need Q on the field catching passes. He and Whisenhurt aren't buddies? That doesn't hurt the team has badly as trading away our offense.

 

[Pariah]

The two most crucial statements made by Anquan in my view:

1 -- I am going to play hard this season, and will not walk out of camp or let my teammates down.

2 -- The Cardinals have made it clear I won't be traded, so I am a member of this organization until they do.

3 -- I do not want my teammates to be distracted by this.

"For our chief weapon is Fear and Surprise!

...er, Our two chief weapons are Fear, Surprise and Love of the Pope!

...um, Let me start over again, shall we?"



(from monty python's inquisition sketch)

 

[Hog'sWad271]

Okay wiseguy.

"Until they do" was the actually more confusing part but I edited that out. Then I made fun of myself already (in the edit log) before you could. I'd say "whoa trigger" except that's rather condescending, so...just whoa.

 

[Shane]

I am about to place all this Boldin stuff in one thread. It isn't necessary to have 10 threads about him.

Just because it bother you Chris doesnt mean it bothers the majority. Some of them are repetative no doubt. But other like this stand on their own with that new interview.

 

[CardinalChris]

I have to say this is bunk. You can sound believable if you really feel justified. It doesn't mean it is truth. As George Costanza said "It isn't a lie if you believe it". I got nothing new or earth shattering from this. He is saying things from his point of view, but just because you think you are correct, doesn't make it so.

He said Arizona offered him top 5 money but lied. Then he goes on to say that's not true because there was no guaranteed money. Sorry? That doesn't change the dollar amount. It changes how it is structured, but that still makes it a top salary. (Mind you I am not saying he doesn't deserve more guaranteed, just that they didn't lie).

"Willing to entertain another contract" Yeah, that's why they went public and said they want to resign him. But his expectation did not match what they offered, so he is ticked. But the offer shows they are indeed willing. Coming to an agreement is the next issue, but they are negotiating with you, so how can they not be willing to entertain it?

He talks about how he doesn't like to go through the media and then spends the whole interview doing exactly that. It is sounding more and more like Drew's doing as others have said. If you hate the attention, stop going on the Dan Patrick show!

This just sounds like he has resorted to this methodology for lack of another option. He is hiding behind "I got disrespected" when in fact it is "I want more money" in my opinion. He claimed the only reason he signed the deal was to keep his cap figure down? Bull, we had 2 more years at basement dollars how do we save money giving him a 4 million a year salary and 10 mil dollar bonus.

Question, did AZ leak the trade request earlier? Quan claims so, but I never got the impression it came from the team. Anybody know where it came from? Again, I think he is filling in gaps in the story to fit what he believes happened.

I think he is frustrated and I think he does deserve more coin. He just has slowly gotten further and further away from the correct way to do it and can't see the trees from the forest. He has focused on what he thinks happened so much, that there can be no other truth. Saying we want to redo your deal does not mean "At whatever price you want" We tend to make evidence match our believes and discard everything else. His frustration has made him so close and invested emotionally in this that he isn't recognizing any other circumstance.

 

[Shane]

This thread addresses THIS interview. I think it's perfectly appropriate to have it's own thread.

JMHO

:notworthy

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Just because it bother you Chris doesnt mean it bothers the majority. Some of them are repetative no doubt. But other like this stand on their own with that new interview.

but why use the thread title in that way? If the thread title would have said, "Q interviewed by Dan Patrick" I can see that.

 

[jefftheshark]

"For our chief weapon is Fear and Surprise!

...er, Our two chief weapons are Fear, Surprise and Love of the Pope!

...um, Let me start over again, shall we?"



(from monty python's inquisition sketch)

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!

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[MadCardDisease]

I am about to place all this Boldin stuff in one thread. It isn't necessary to have 10 threads about him.

 

[Shane]

Two surprises in the interview, Anquan says he does think he's the team's best receiver. I'm suprised Dan Patrick didn't statistically make the case for Fitzgerald but it's not like that would've changed Q's mind. I agree that it's Anquan but most receivers would've been more vague with their answer. But, Anquan isn't most receivers.

Then, he says the contract offer he got from the Cardinals didn't have any guaranteed money. A guy like Anquan who does play in a renegade fashion I think should have some guaranteed money as a reward for him risking bodily harm. Though that might be the same reason he didn't have guaranteed money. If Joe Horn can get guaranteed money, there's no reason they couldn't have guaranteed the first year of a new deal.

You cant really statistically make a case for Fitz. Thats probably the reason he didnt.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You cant really statistically make a case for Fitz. Thats probably the reason he didnt.

?

 

[Shane]

but why use the thread title in that way? If the thread title would have said, "Q interviewed by Dan Patrick" I can see that.

Who cares what the thread title is. The thread is VERY worthy and stands on its own. It has an extremely informative(albeit one sided) national interview with Q and Dan P. You guys kill me with the petty BS.

Like you are all posting masters and everyone should follow in your footsteps. Newsflash here not everyone thinks alike. Thats not a bad thing either.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Who cares what the thread title is. The thread is VERY worthy and stands on its own. It has an extremely informative(albeit one sided) national interview with Q and Dan P. You guys kill me with the petty BS.

Like you are all posting masters and everyone should follow in your footsteps. Newsflash here not everyone thinks alike. Thats not a bad thing either.

Whoa whoa whoa. I think the thread title should state that there is a Dan Patrick interview here. It is a good interview and it was a good listen. The thread title does absolutely nothing to know what is in it. Doesn't mean that they should all go into one thread.

I almost didn't click on it because I thought someone had accidently hit new thread instead of replying to an existing one. Would have been a shame.

 

[football karma]

You cant really statistically make a case for Fitz. Thats probably the reason he didnt.

other than more catches, more yards, way more touchdowns, fewer games missed due to injury and the fact Fitz is only 24 ---

 

[CardinalChris]

other than more catches, more yards, way more touchdowns, fewer games missed due to injury and the fact Fitz is only 24 ---

It may have more to do with DP not wanting to be hung up on by his radio guest.

 

[Shane]

?

Fitz Average while with team:

82 catches 1136 yards 8.5 TDs per

Q's averages while with team:

82 catches 1091 yards and 5.8 TDs per

That is some very close production levels. The only level where Fitz is claearly better is TD's and that isnt even exponentially better. If you factor in games missed by Q which is a negative for him you could easily say that had he been healthy he would have outperformed Fitz in all but maybe the TD's. Its impressive that he missed 6 games and 4 games in different seasons and still has averages that are so high. So trying to argue stats to say fitz is better is just splitting hairs.

 

[Pariah]

Okay wiseguy.

"Until they do" was the actually more confusing part but I edited that out. Then I made fun of myself already (in the edit log) before you could. I'd say "whoa trigger" except that's rather condescending, so...just whoa.

Sorry. I was just kidding...thus the wink in the smiley face.

 

[Shane]

Whoa whoa whoa. I think the thread title should state that there is a Dan Patrick interview here. It is a good interview and it was a good listen. The thread title does absolutely nothing to know what is in it. Doesn't mean that they should all go into one thread.

I almost didn't click on it because I thought someone had accidently hit new thread instead of replying to an existing one. Would have been a shame.

Based on the thread title I would think one would assume that he heard something from Q? But hey thats just me.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Whoa whoa whoa. I think the thread title should state that there is a Dan Patrick interview here. It is a good interview and it was a good listen. The thread title does absolutely nothing to know what is in it. Doesn't mean that they should all go into one thread.

Done!

Now everyone please let it go.

 

[joeshmo]

You cant really statistically make a case for Fitz. Thats probably the reason he didnt.

Why cant you.

Boldin -

Receptions per year - 82.6
Yards per year - 1091.6
Career Average - 13.2
TD's per year - 5.8

Fitz -
Receptions per year - 82.5
Yards per year - 1136
Career Average - 13.8
TD's per year - 8.5
5 More TD's in one less year
Fewer Fumbles

You can use Per game numbers if you feel that Boldins injury history shouldnt be used against him which it should still doesnt show him to be the best WR on the team.

Boldin -

Receptions per Game - 6.07
Yards per Game - 80.27
Average - 13.2
TD's per game - .43

Fitz -
Receptions per Game - 5.5
Yards per Game - 75.73
Average - 13.8
TD's per game - .57

Statistically speaking Fitz is better in Fewer Fumbles, More TD's, and better average. 3 out of 5 of the most important categories of a WR.

 

[Shane]

Why cant you.

Boldin -

Receptions per year - 82.6
Yards per year - 1091.6
Career Average - 13.2
TD's per year - 5.8

Fitz -
Receptions per year - 82.5
Yards per year - 1136
Career Average - 13.8
TD's per year - 8.5
5 More TD's in one less year
Fewer Fumbles

You can use Per game numbers if you feel that Boldins injury history shouldnt be used against him which it should still doesnt show him to be the best WR on the team.

Boldin -

Receptions per Game - 6.07
Yards per Game - 80.27
Average - 13.2
TD's per game - .43

Fitz -
Receptions per Game - 5.5
Yards per Game - 75.73
Average - 13.8
TD's per game - .57

Statistically speaking Fitz is better in Fewer Fumbles, More TD's, and better average. 3 out of 5 of the most important categories of a WR.

I use per game because thats the most fair way to do it IMO. Production while on the field. If you look at them as a whole they are so close its really quite frightening IMO. The only big difference is TD's and even that isnt huge. Like I said IMO its splitting hairs.

 

[Big Deal]

I don't know why this is such a big story, I hate being in the media.....then quit going on every talk show you can possibly find, LOL!


BTW what's this crap about after he signed the 2nd deal and then made two more pro bowls and then wanting a newer deal? Whaaa?