I can't stand the NBA!!

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Hughes and Marshall weren't garbage before they came to Cleveland. Playing with James has turned them into garbage.

Ok, that's why they were both NBA journeymen and why Hughes is averaging about the same numbers as he has his entire NBA career for the Cavs. Marshall and Hughes were contract year players and went back to their norms once the Cavs paid them.

Lebron just signed a extension this year..i don't think he can opt out of his contract now

Not now, but he almost assuredly will in 2010.

 

[elindholm]

Ok, that's why they were both NBA journeymen and why Hughes is averaging about the same numbers as he has his entire NBA career for the Cavs. Marshall and Hughes were contract year players and went back to their norms once the Cavs paid them.

Huh? Marhsall's numbers in the five years before he joined Cleveland:

2000-01 (UTA): 13.6 ppg, 7.0 rpg, .503 FG%, .320 3FG%
2001-02 (UTA): 14.8, 7.6, .509, .310
2002-03 (CHI): 13.4, 9.0, .459, .379
2003-04 (CHI/TOR): 14.7, 9.9, .461, .403
2004-05 (TOR): 11.5, 6.6, .443, .416

Which of those were contract years? They were somewhat up and down, but overall he averaged, as an eyeball estimate, 13 ppg, 8 rpg, 47% FG, and 36% 3FG. (I don't feel like doing the actual calculation, but it's going to wind up close to those numbers over those five years.)

Now with Cleveland:

2005-06: 9.3 ppg, 6.1 rpg, .395 FG%, .324 3FG%
2006-07: 7.0, 4.0, .424, .351

Those are dramatically worse than the numbers he put up in any of his previous five seasons, during which he played for three different teams.

Hughes is harder to assess because his numbers have been so inconsistent throughout his career, much more so than Marshall's. So I'll concede that point.

 

[tobiazz]

Hughes definitely upped his offense in the his contract year and I knew the Cavs overpaid. Marshall plummeted on the Cavs, but he also joined them at age 32. His downturn clearly started the year before he joined them so I think it is a natural progression of age.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I'll concede Marshall as well, but I'd guess his weight, age, and playing time are bigger factors in his decline than LeBron James. I guess time will tell, I'm willing to bet James is out of there once he can opt out so we should see if it's truly him or his supporting cast that's the problem. Same goes for Kobe.

 

[Strike]

Lighten up...

...it's a message board...and people are simply posting their opinions...
...I don't think the NBA is "fixed" either...but I do think that Stern is directing the League to be more physical...which isn't entertaining.

the majority of nba fans want Phoenix style game play and Stern is doing what he can to alienate the majority of basketball fans?

Who gets marketed more? The Suns or the Spurs? The Cavs or the Pistons? Nash or Duncan? Lebron or Chauncey Billups?
Stern wants physical play over flash and flair?

Gimme a break.

Stern wants to pansyfy the league. And that's what run & gun, no defense basketball is. Pansyfied.

 

[jbeecham]

the majority of nba fans want Phoenix style game play and Stern is doing what he can to alienate the majority of basketball fans?

Who gets marketed more? The Suns or the Spurs? The Cavs or the Pistons? Nash or Duncan? Lebron or Chauncey Billups?
Stern wants physical play over flash and flair?

Gimme a break.

Stern wants to pansyfy the league. And that's what run & gun, no defense basketball is. Pansyfied.

Go watch football or hockey then......

 

[Strike]

Go watch football or hockey then......

Awwwww, little one doesn't like it when his Suns get boo boos playing a man's game.

 

[jbeecham]

I just prefer watching up-tempo exciting basketball. I'd rather stop watching basketball than watch your low scoring boring basketbrawl.

 

[CaptainInsano]

Awwwww, little one doesn't like it when his Suns get boo boos playing a man's game.

You're a real tough guy. I wonder what such a tough guy would be doing trying to insult people on the internet. Shouldn't you be out in real life getting into fights if you are such a tommy toughnuts?

Get lost weasel. I bet you weigh 150 lbs and live in your mothers basement.

 

[arthurracoon]

You guys are still watching??

exactly

i see no reason in watching any more games until next years playoffs...

 

[CaptainInsano]

Haven't watched a single game myself. Trying to will myself into watching another season that doesn't look to good. What if we have to go through a tougher 1st round opponent and then spurs/mavs/detroit to get the title.

It almost seems impossible with the same roster.

 

[BC867]

Go watch football or hockey then......

Yeah, I went to a fight and a hockey match broke out.

There are sports enthusiasts . . . and there are those who think that cheating or bullying outweigh skill.

 

[Strike]

You're a real tough guy. I wonder what such a tough guy would be doing trying to insult people on the internet. Shouldn't you be out in real life getting into fights if you are such a tommy toughnuts?

Get lost weasel. I bet you weigh 150 lbs and live in your mothers basement.

Weasel?

I'll give you a point for originality. In my 29 years on this Earth I'm pretty sure I've never been called that.

I like the mother's basement take, as well. I've used it myself. But, your lack of originality takes the aforementioned point away. You lose another for the 150 point assumption simply because you are incorrect.

That puts you at -1.

Thank you for playing.

 

[azirish]

Weasel?

I'll give you a point for originality. In my 29 years on this Earth I'm pretty sure I've never been called that.

I like the mother's basement take, as well. I've used it myself. But, your lack of originality takes the aforementioned point away. You lose another for the 150 point assumption simply because you are incorrect.

That puts you at -1.

Thank you for playing.

I thought the other Spurs fans were obnoxious, but none were as juvenile as you sound. Perhaps you are 29 years old chronologically, but emotionally you come across as someone about 14 years old.

Do you have any life? A job? Friends? It is hard to imagine you have the ability to carry on adult conversations, or do people simply stop and point at you as you walk down the street?

 

[Strike]

Do you have any life? A job? Friends? It is hard to imagine you have the ability to carry on adult conversations, or do people simply stop and point at you as you walk down the street?

Yes, yes and yes.

Adult conversations come easy. As does not caring about you think of me.

 

[azirish]

Yes, yes and yes.

Adult conversations come easy. As does not caring about you think of me.

Is English your second language?

 

[Strike]

Is English your second language?

Huh?

The grammar might need touching up but the english itself and sentence structure is correct.

Too bad that it's your only option on which to insult me. Too bad, indeed.

 

[mcgophers]

This is why I only watch Suns basketball and watch hockey the rest of the winter. Low-scoring basketball is boring.

 

[asudevil83]

oh my.....are to to the point of "i know you are but what am i?