I know you guys hate rumors, but big news

[MastersofCombat]

The quiet Dallas Mavericks appear to have spent the last week working on a deal that would send Jerry Stackhouse and Desagana Diop to Detroit for Ben Wallace. The deal has something in it that may make it wait til July 1st.



Wallace
Nowitzki
Howard
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Harris/Terry


That is going to be trouble

 

[NastyOne]

Sounds like a fake rumor to me

That would be a horrible deal for the Pistons, and i don't think Joe Dumars is that stupid (Hes not Isiah)

 

[SweetD]

I don't see why Detroit would do this at all.

 

[scotsman13]

why would the pistons do this deal? it isnt even close in talent. i am sure that dallas would love to do it but makes no sense for the pistons. diop isnt a replacement for wallace and lets face it stackhouse wouldnt be much good for anything but a 6th man who gets less then 10 min per game.

 

[devilalum]

It doesn't sound legit but Wallace is a free agent, it would have to be a sign and trade. Historically you don't get fair trade value for a sign and trade.

 

[abomb]

I don't see why Detroit would do this at all.

What's not to understand? Let Wallace walk in free agency or do the sign and trade and get some parts back?

 

[devilalum]

What's not to understand? Let Wallace walk in free agency or do the sign and trade and get some parts back?

Detroit does have some leverage. Dallas couldn't give him more than the Pistons are currently offering. I doubt he'd sign for the MLE.

I think Wallace would be a nice fit for the Suns, he does everything the Suns don't do.

Rebound, play defense, block shots. I don't know how he'd fit into our offense though.

 

[SweetD]

Why not send them KT and LB. That would be more than the Mavs would give them. Heck I would throw in 2 of next years picks, just not Atlanta's

 

[devilalum]

Why not send them KT and LB. That would be more than the Mavs would give them. Heck I would throw in 2 of next years picks, just not Atlanta's

To get Ben the Suns would have to give him a big long term contract. If Detroit would take those 2 we might be able to avoid a cap hit next year but we would be in even bigger trouble next summer.

Mr. Foamyfinger would never approve this.

 

[Joe Mama]

I call BS unless the Dallas Mavericks are sending more than that in a deal. This just doesn't make any sense. They might have talked about something like this, but I hardly believe it's close to going down.

The Detroit Pistons would not make a deal like this so soon in the whole process. It would make much more sense to wait to see what other teams will offer in a sign and trade. Besides, I also don't believe that they would hand a championship competitor like the Dallas Mavericks a key component in Wallace unless they were just getting blown away with a deal. This one does not do that.

Joe

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Stackhouse is much better than Barbosa and Diop has a tremendous upside while KT is on his last legs and coming off an injury. Those two deals are not even close to being comparable.

I think this deal might actually favor the Pistons. Ben Wallace is massively overrated as having him on the court means playing 4 on 5 when on offense while the Pistons get a young center beginning to show promise and an proven NBA scorer to come off the bench.

 

[cly2tw]

With that trade, Detroit is getting worse, so they are less likely to get out of the East for the finals. While if Dallas wins out in the West, Detroit wouldn't have a chance to beat them. If I were Detroit, I'd just let Ben walk to teams with cap room and compete for lotteries if he so wished

 

[Joe Mama]

I actually think Detroit would not do a deal like this just to avoid paying Jerry Stackhouse $8 million next season. Diop is not that great, and Wallace has more offensive skills in one arm than Diop hasn't his whole body.

I wouldn't pay Ben Wallace the huge contracts somebody is likely to give him. However if I'm Detroit I wait to see what somebody else offers in a sign and traded. Hell they could tell everybody they are going to match any offer just to force a sign and trade.

Joe

 

[devilalum]

I actually think Detroit would not do a deal like this just to avoid paying Jerry Stackhouse $8 million next season. Diop is not that great, and Wallace has more offensive skills in one arm than Diop hasn't his whole body.

I wouldn't pay Ben Wallace the huge contracts somebody is likely to give him. However if I'm Detroit I wait to see what somebody else offers in a sign and traded. Hell they could tell everybody they are going to match any offer just to force a sign and trade.

Joe

I think Wallace is UNrestricted, Detroit doesn't get to match.

 

[Joe Mama]

I think Wallace is UNrestricted, Detroit doesn't get to match.

Larry Bird rights... they can offer him more than any other team.

Joe

 

[devilalum]

Larry Bird rights... they can offer him more than any other team.

Joe

But that's not the same as matching. From what I've read Wallace is mad at the Pistons. They probably won't get a chance to match or up their offer if another team signs him.

 

[Joe Mama]

You are right. They can't "match" like a team with a restricted free agent, but they can offer as much or more. If Ben Wallace is really angry with them I guess he could go to another team like Chicago. I just don't think that's a good deal for Detroit, and it makes little to no sense for them to agree to something right now.

Joe

 

[devilalum]

You are right. They can't "match" like a team with a restricted free agent, but they can offer as much or more. If Ben Wallace is really angry with them I guess he could go to another team like Chicago. I just don't think that's a good deal for Detroit, and it makes little to no sense for them to agree to something right now.

Joe

My guess would be that another team will take measures to avoid a bidding war. I've seen this in the past. A team like the Bulls could have him in, make an offer and say, "Take it or leave it." to avoid being used.

Can anybody think of an example of an unrestricted free agent doing a sign and trade. Usually its restricted free agents involved in sign and trades.

 

[Ryanwb]

Can anybody think of an example of an unrestricted free agent doing a sign and trade. Usually its restricted free agents involved in sign and trades.

Penny Hardaway

 

[Cheesebeef]

My guess would be that another team will take measures to avoid a bidding war. I've seen this in the past. A team like the Bulls could have him in, make an offer and say, "Take it or leave it." to avoid being used.

Can anybody think of an example of an unrestricted free agent doing a sign and trade. Usually its restricted free agents involved in sign and trades.

Grant Hill

 

[devilalum]

Good examples and I don't remember either of those teams getting even close to equal value in return.

Unless you factor in the fact that both of those players soon had career ending injuries.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Good examples and I don't remember either of those teams getting even close to equal value in return.

Unless you factor in the fact that both of those players soon had career ending injuries.

um, I think, even though it didn't look like it at the time, but the Grant Hill deal was HUGE intransforming the Pistons into what they ended up becoming - namely Ben Wallace. Anyone else remember who else was included in that deal?

 

[Folster]

Didn't Orlando get Danny Manning and Pat Garrity and a pick for Penny? Then we stole that pick back to get Amare.

 

[Gaddabout]

Let Dallas have Wallace. I don't think Wallace would enjoy guarding Amare any more than any of the other Dallas 4/5s would. The only thing that would concern me is if Dallas were acquiring the other Wallace -- Rasheed.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

um, I think, even though it didn't look like it at the time, but the Grant Hill deal was HUGE intransforming the Pistons into what they ended up becoming - namely Ben Wallace. Anyone else remember who else was included in that deal?

chucky atkins. and he was considered the better piece of the deal for the pistons.