I open the floor for the Creation of a New NFL Hall of Fame

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Just way too many players in our current one, not to mention the debate we could have daily on who does not deserve to be in there. Let us be honest and admit that the longer we would have waited to create a HoF, the fewer players would have been nominated for no other reason than as we saw how bigger, faster, more athletic players got over each decade, the higher the overall criteria probably would have been.

Thus, the floor is open now for how it could be changed and made better, purer, and/or more realistic and deserving. I only see 2 ways which might seem extreme, but only because we are used to what is current.

1. Leave the current inductees all in, but create a new division possibly named the Greatest of the Greats, or simply best starting team ever out of everyone, which could always change if and when a super great player ever gets admitted. Maybe it could be re-evaluated every decade to see if someone new was great enough to replace one of the very greats.

2. Put a limit on the number admitted, and for a new player to be admitted, he must be shown to be more worthy than whichever one is to be eliminated from the Hall. That would constantly have previously admitted lesser players being re-examined and compared to any new prospective member.
For instance, for Brady to get in, a Joe Namath or someone else would be removed. A nice caveat might be that no one still alive is to be eliminated. Thus you are guaranteed a membership for life.

 

[AZCrazy]

It doesn't matter how much bigger and faster the players have become. You can only truly judge greatness against one's contemporaries.
In a couple of generations, they will laugh and how slow and puny today's players are. Does that mean none of them will ever be worthy of enshrinement?
The Hall of Fame was created to pay tribute to the greats of the game that impacted the game and left a meaningful legacy, which will happen in every generation of players. If you want to go further and create a second floor in the HOF made of gilded floors and walls and call it the Hall of Legends, and put the 40 best players ever in there, go ahead. You'll have to demote people out of that room from time to time though as new ones come along, and no one wants to see that.

You mentioned Namath being kicked to make room for Brady. Namath's statistics don't hold up under today's standards, but he had much deeper meaning to the game than just that. He's practically the reason for the merger to have occurred. He was the height of cool on the biggest stage of all. He made the game sexy when before it was a bunch of slobbering jocks. He mattered.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

I know your point, Azcrazy, there are lots of variables to consider. But guys in the Hall from back in the 20s and 30e who couldn't make the practice squads of today makes the Hall as set up today a bit ludicrous to me. You don't see that in other sports. Baseball players of yore, would match up just fine today even though today's players are bigger and stronger. I could easily form a team from the 20s that could whip today's teams.

I just believe it to be a bit extreme the way the NFL Hall is comprised.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

???

Run the numbers.

NFL started in 1920, and if you conservatively run the numbers, 0.3% make the Hall of Fame.

While I agree there are players that have no business being in there, Harry "Ride the East Coast Bias & Peter King" Carson, there certainly are not too many players.

The NFL Hall of Fame is TOUGH to make. I can think of a bunch of players that had either the skill or the numbers to make a case, that are not in.

I do not think you can make a poll with 346 choices, but that would be interesting to see everyone's Top 10 players that should be kicked out of the Hall of Fame.

1. Harry Carson
2. Steve Atwater
3. Terrell Davis
4. Dan Hampton
5. Jerry Kramer
6. James Lofton

......That is it. I could name 4 more but ot would be hard to justify it.

Some damn good football player in the HOF.



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[WisconsinCard]

Hampton and Kramer deserve to be in the HOF. IMO

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Hampton and Kramer deserve to be in the HOF. IMO

These debates could go on for days!

 

[PACardsFan]

It doesn't matter how much bigger and faster the players have become. You can only truly judge greatness against one's contemporaries.
In a couple of generations, they will laugh and how slow and puny today's players are. Does that mean none of them will ever be worthy of enshrinement?
The Hall of Fame was created to pay tribute to the greats of the game that impacted the game and left a meaningful legacy, which will happen in every generation of players. If you want to go further and create a second floor in the HOF made of gilded floors and walls and call it the Hall of Legends, and put the 40 best players ever in there, go ahead. You'll have to demote people out of that room from time to time though as new ones come along, and no one wants to see that.

You mentioned Namath being kicked to make room for Brady. Namath's statistics don't hold up under today's standards, but he had much deeper meaning to the game than just that. He's practically the reason for the merger to have occurred. He was the height of cool on the biggest stage of all. He made the game sexy when before it was a bunch of slobbering jocks. He mattered.

Well said. My Mom was a Cardinal fan, but never missed a Jets game because of Namath. Btw, she never missed any of his shaving cream commercials either

 

[Finito]

I know your point, Azcrazy, there are lots of variables to consider. But guys in the Hall from back in the 20s and 30e who couldn't make the practice squads of today makes the Hall as set up today a bit ludicrous to me. You don't see that in other sports. Baseball players of yore, would match up just fine today even though today's players are bigger and stronger. I could easily form a team from the 20s that could whip today's teams.

I just believe it to be a bit extreme the way the NFL Hall is comprised.

so because Rocky Marciano was 5’11 and 180lbs and would have been murdered against Lennox Lewis who’s 6’5 240lbs Rocky wasn’t great?

both are great both are hall of famers and you have to take each guy in his era and what they contributed to the game in the era they played is what matters.

 

[Cardsmasochist]

???

Run the numbers.

NFL started in 1920, and if you conservatively run the numbers, 0.3% make the Hall of Fame.

While I agree there are players that have no business being in there, Harry "Ride the East Coast Bias & Peter King" Carson, there certainly are not too many players.

The NFL Hall of Fame is TOUGH to make. I can think of a bunch of players that had either the skill or the numbers to make a case, that are not in.

I do not think you can make a poll with 346 choices, but that would be interesting to see everyone's Top 10 players that should be kicked out of the Hall of Fame.

1. Harry Carson
2. Steve Atwater
3. Terrell Davis
4. Dan Hampton
5. Jerry Kramer
6. James Lofton

......That is it. I could name 4 more but ot would be hard to justify it.

Some damn good football player in the HOF.



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I was wondering how many players in a draft class end up in the football HoF.

Using your .3% would mean maybe one player per draft class makes it.

32 players per round X 7 rounds x .003 = .672 or rounding up to one player per draft.

Is that about right?


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[RugbyMuffin]

I was wondering how many players in a draft class end up in the football HoF.

Using your .3% would mean maybe one player per draft class makes it.

32 players per round X 7 rounds x .003 = .672 or rounding up to one player per draft.

Is that about right?


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More or less..... That would be on average, since there are drafts that have multiple HOF'ers, and then there are drafts where Jonathan Cooper is in it.

It is a very low percentage.

As for the argument of a player from 1920 vs. a player from 2020?

1. You can only place against the people they put on the field against you.
2. I would love to see what a man from 1920 would look like if he was given the training and nutrition we are today. How I look at 41yrs old vs. 31 yrs old speaks to that. Better training, better nutrition, and I am in better shape now then I was then.
3. How many Hall of Fame players are in since the 1990s when an ACL tear no longer ended your career? Or in Bo Jackson's case a hip injury?

So many variables.

 

[AZCrazy]

So by 2050, nobody currently in the Hall of Fame should be allowed to stay? It's not watered down. As time goes by, more generations will add to the mix and the raw numbers will increase, but it's not an insult to modern players that early pioneers are in the Hall. It really is by far the best way for us to collectively remember the men of the past, who built and grew the league to what it is today. Don't ever forget history, or bad things tend to happen. Needless disrespect first among them.

 

[GatorAZ]

???

Run the numbers.

NFL started in 1920, and if you conservatively run the numbers, 0.3% make the Hall of Fame.

While I agree there are players that have no business being in there, Harry "Ride the East Coast Bias & Peter King" Carson, there certainly are not too many players.

The NFL Hall of Fame is TOUGH to make. I can think of a bunch of players that had either the skill or the numbers to make a case, that are not in.

I do not think you can make a poll with 346 choices, but that would be interesting to see everyone's Top 10 players that should be kicked out of the Hall of Fame.

1. Harry Carson
2. Steve Atwater
3. Terrell Davis
4. Dan Hampton
5. Jerry Kramer
6. James Lofton

......That is it. I could name 4 more but ot would be hard to justify it.

Some damn good football player in the HOF.



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You can’t list Terrell Davis and not Lynn Swann. Either both have to be in or out.