I predict...

[slanidrac16]

I should have added a disclaimer that I hope beyond hope that Leinart is the guy. I hope he is the firey competitor we seen when he got here.I hope he lights it up and everyone of you can pull up this thread and tell me how wrong I was.

BUT! For those who want to go back last year and pull up stats on Derek Anderson then you have to be open to pulling up stats from 3 years ago. He threw for over 3700 yards in 15 games with 29 TD's and 19 INT's. Damn near identicle to Warners from last year!

Here are some points to ponder about Anderson.

He was on a terrible Browns team over the last couple of years who were struggling with a QB controversy themselves. And as we all know from our own experience, when your team sucks (like we did) you go with the young guy to develop him. Remember, we are the same fans and organization that so brilliantly declared Warner washed up a little while ago.

Buckle your seat belts. The next 10 days are going to be wild.

 

[Zeno]

BUT! For those who want to go back last year and pull up stats on Derek Anderson then you have to be open to pulling up stats from 3 years ago. He threw for over 3700 yards in 15 games with 29 TD's and 19 INT's. Damn near identicle to Warners from last year!

Yeah if you want to ignore the fact that Warner completed 66% of his passes as opposed to Anderson and 56%...a completion % less than 60% is bad no matter how you look at it. He has 1100 pass attempts in his career and he completes below 53%, we know what to expect with him...a wildly inaccurate inconsistent QB.

 

[slanidrac16]

Yeah if you want to ignore the fact that Warner completed 66% of his passes as opposed to Anderson and 56%...a completion % less than 60% is bad no matter how you look at it. He has 1100 pass attempts in his career and he completes below 53%, we know what to expect with him...a wildly inaccurate inconsistent QB.

Good points, Zeno. That's why we post our views.

The next question would be , can Anderson be coached up in this winning system to see that completion % and accuracy improve?

 

[DemsMyBoys]

I predict that Whiz will carefully consider who the best man for the job is and will start that man on Opening Day. I predict that Whiz will base this on his knowledge of the game and this team. I predict some of us will be deliriously happy. I predict some of us will open the fridge, take out a cold one and drown our sorrows.

Whiz knows a heck of a lot more about picking a QB than I do so I'm leaving this one to him. But then I once picked a horse called Thunder Gulch at 44-1 and he won the Kentucky Derby so I reserve the right to say "Good choice", "Lousy choice" on Septermber the 12th.

In Whiz I trust.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Well 1 thing. ESPN (even though you guys hate them) Have been fairly accurate with what WHiz has done. Whiz didn't help Leinart at all on Monday and that could be telling. Tenn kept blitzing and Whiz didn't counter it and left Leinart to look bad.(Maybe on purpose??) I don't know if D Anderson is the answer. (McNabb would have been with his feet) But for all you guys saying 66% completion rate to 56% rate....that is like 3 passes a game if we throw 30 times. 19.8 to 16.8. The difference is DA throws more deep balls. I am just saying 3 passes isnt a whole lot when you are trying to say DA is horrible.

 

[Bobcat]

Guys and Gals, this is not a thread to start a war. I'm all Cardinals all the time. I need to call it the way I see it. I know it's preseason and all, but I'm going by feel. I know we're missing Fitz and Doucet. I know the line has been shuffled around. But I'm going to say it tonight, August 23rd (post game).

Derek Anderson will be our starting Qb on opening day.

This is not a doom and gloom prediction. Personally I could give a crap who our QB is as long as it's the best guy for us.
Here's why I think DA will be starting.

First and foremost, Anderson gives the impression he IS the starting Qb. He appears to have a certain attitude when he runs on the field. He seems to be having fun and he seems to have confidence. When he came in the offense suddenly had a spark. He throws with authority. He has spunk.

Let's be real. There should be no question what Leinart brings to this dance. He's been here for 5 years for God sakes. However, we still hear the same old lines about watching the tape, learning , correcting the mistakes and getting better each and every time out.
And if all things are equal, let's not forget there are 14 million other reasons why this team will simply decide to go with Anderson.

Leinart is in a lame duck position. He's due a 14m roster bonusin 2011. So what does that mean? That means he would have to play lights out to justify that kind of payday. If he did happen to excel, the Cards will be forced to pay the bonus or renegotiate a new contract. If he plays just so-so, the Cards will cut him and will have wasted this entire year.

Again. this is not intended to be doom and gloom. It's merely calling it as I see it.

Derek Anderson may not be the answer, but with this receiving corp and running game he gives us the best chance to succeed.

August 23rd. I'll say it again. Derek Anderson, starting QB for the 2010 Arizona Cardinals.

If this is the case then we should have picked up Donovan McNabb when he wanted to come here....!!!!

BOBCAT

 

[Cheesebeef]

i would have thought this had some legs if Anderson hadn't looked so horrific once he got in the red zone on that first drive.

that being said, I'm not gonna be shocked if Matt's yanked out of the starting lineup if we start 1-3 and look pathetic on offense.

everyone likes to talk about how bad the offense has looked in the previous couple years under Wiz but I don't really know how much that's the case.

It definitely looked awful last year but the Super Bowl year, Matt looked decent -> mediocre -> down-rightatrocious while Kurt looked consistently good. I mean, if you're going to say the O looked bad two pre-seasons ago, well, there were major consequences because of that as Matt lost his job. Unfortunately, I don't think we have anyone else on the roster to really push him so he's gonna win this sucker by default but he's definitely not gotten out there and shown much to this point.

 

[Zeno]

The next question would be , can Anderson be coached up in this winning system to see that completion % and accuracy improve?

No it can't. He wasn't a 60% passer in college either.

 

[Duckjake]

Well 1 thing. ESPN (even though you guys hate them) Have been fairly accurate with what WHiz has done. Whiz didn't help Leinart at all on Monday and that could be telling. Tenn kept blitzing and Whiz didn't counter it and left Leinart to look bad.(Maybe on purpose??) I don't know if D Anderson is the answer. (McNabb would have been with his feet) But for all you guys saying 66% completion rate to 56% rate....that is like 3 passes a game if we throw 30 times. 19.8 to 16.8. The difference is DA throws more deep balls. I am just saying 3 passes isnt a whole lot when you are trying to say DA is horrible.

The sad thing is it doesn't matter who starts because neither one of these guys are very good and that means a long season for us as fans. I guess you could say either one of them gives us the best chance to lose.

 

[DoTheDew]

Well 1 thing. ESPN (even though you guys hate them) Have been fairly accurate with what WHiz has done. Whiz didn't help Leinart at all on Monday and that could be telling. Tenn kept blitzing and Whiz didn't counter it and left Leinart to look bad.(Maybe on purpose??)

It really makes me depressed to see people say things like that. I have never from Whiz seen anything to suggest that he intentionally sets players up to fail. I honestly believe he knows what he is doing and does what he believes is best for the team. I don't see him playing politics, or purposefully setting anyone up to look bad.

This isn't Dennis Green or Buddy Ryan toying with players emotions and psyches. This is coach Whiz treating preseason the way he always has. I really think if Whiz didn't like Leinart then Leinart wouldn't be #1 on the depth chart right now. That we would have traded for McNabb or someone like that. That we would have used one of our first two picks on a QB. We did nothing to suggest that we were looking to upgrade. We knew Matt was a step back from Warner, but if Whiz didn't want Leinart to be our guy, I doubt Whiz would have signed a big contract extension without first knowing that he could get "his guy" in at QB.

I think this is Whiz treating pre-season the way he always has. This is us fans and a bunch of "expert" reporters over-analyzing things. I know Whiz said "I don't know what we have in Matt." But if he meant that the way everyone is taking it, then why wouldn't he give Matt playing time to find out. I think that was coach speak. I think it was smoke and mirrors.

 

[Zeno]

I don't know if D Anderson is the answer. (McNabb would have been with his feet) But for all you guys saying 66% completion rate to 56% rate....that is like 3 passes a game if we throw 30 times. 19.8 to 16.8. The difference is DA throws more deep balls. I am just saying 3 passes isnt a whole lot when you are trying to say DA is horrible.

Well if you look at his career he has more games with under 50% passing as he does over 60%. 17 games under 50% 13 games over 60% thats in 39 games

As a comparison Warner had TWO games where he completed less than 50% during his career with the Cardinals.

 

[PoolBoy]

I agree that Anderson works with his teammates much better and is much more of a vocal leader.

 

[football karma]

Well if you look at his career he has more games with under 50% passing as he does over 60%. 17 games under 50% 13 games over 60% thats in 39 games

As a comparison Warner had TWO games where he completed less than 50% during his career with the Cardinals.

DA gave us the perfect snapshot of him as a QB

a couple wonderfully thrown balls down the field to get in the redzone. Then two short throws that needed placement go awry.

The guy has been in the league long enough, and played enough to know that he isn't really going to get better.

 

[THESMEL]

I'm all in on Matty, I think this will be the worse year of his next 10 as a top 10 NFL QB. He made the plays under great pressure 8-11. THT needs upgraded as a featured RB. Matt was the best of our starters. He did his part. Quick release, took the hits, correct decisions under heavy pressure. Kurt Warner fumbled away all preseason last year. ugly ugly football. If anybody wants to see last years preseason I have it on Tivo. you know 300 yards in the 2nd half of the GB game for Matty, spectacular runs by Beanie, great football by great players.
Fitz, The Bean and Matty are our offensive elite core for the next 5 years. let that sink in for a moment, Beanie is 22 years old!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

This may sound crazy...but after what we just saw from Hall, he may be the best choice of all, even right now.

Mitch suggesting our 4th string QB might be our best..... not exactly surprising.

 

[Evil Ash]

Mitch suggesting our 4th string QB might be our best..... not exactly surprising.

Its becoming a preseason tradition

 

[slanidrac16]

BUMP!

Hmmmm,

I can say I saw it coming.

 

[ajcardfan]

Hmmmm,

I can say I saw it coming.

You're not right.... yet!

 

[Buckybird]

I felt this too, Slan, last week, based on how Whiz played DA.

After tonight, his play and his goofiness turned me off. His footwork is so poor it looks like he's never been taught...and he has no patience to let plays develop. Look what Hall did under similar pressure. He fought it off, shuffled his feet, maintained his vision and made plays.

This may sound crazy...but after what we just saw from Hall, he may be the best choice of all, even right now.

Regardless...the answer will come this week...

(1) If Whiz really wants Leinart, he's going to have to stick with him at least a whole half, maybe more...as long as it takes to get some positive results and a little confidence.

(2) Whiz may go ahead and start Anderson versus the Bears and that would pretty much give the answer away. Or ML plays a quarter again and DA plays 2 quarters, like tonight...that would give it away too.

(3) The Cardinals may make a bold move and trade a 6th rounder or so for Sage Rosenfels or a QB that may be a better answer than ML or DA. They would have 3 weeks to prepare him and, in Rosenfels' case, he torched the Rams in Week 1 for over 220 yards and 3 TDs.

and Mitch may have even made a better call than you slan...stay tuned