I really hope Sarver and Kerr give this team one more year

[arwillan]

That's not even close to the definition of insanity.

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–noun, plural -ties. 1.the condition of being insane; a derangement of the mind.2.Law. such unsoundness of mind as affects legal responsibility or capacity.3.Psychiatry. (formerly) psychosis.4.extreme folly; senselessness; foolhardiness

Apparently you've never heard the saying before. There was once a relatively smart guy who went by the name of Einstein. Here's his version of what I said:

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”


I wasn't quoting any dictionary, moron.

 

[johnsmithson]

From what I hear Shaq is gone, assuming they can trade his contract and several sports "experts" believe they can. I've heard Grant Hill will not be back. The big issue with the Suns is giving away the picks they did the past few years. Coming back to haunt them now. Bad decision then, bad decison now. If that is any indication of the future of the Suns, they will not be a town favorite for long.

 

[elindholm]

There was once a relatively smart guy who went by the name of Einstein.

"Relatively," bwahahah, good one!

Here's his version of what I said:

That quotation seems to be attributed to a different person every time I come across it. In any event, it's very unlikely that a thinker as precise as Einstein would stoop to such sloppy language just to make a point.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

That's not even close to the definition of insanity.

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The first definition was a quote by some famous person. Not the literal definition silly.

 

[arwillan]

"Relatively," bwahahah, good one!



That quotation seems to be attributed to a different person every time I come across it. In any event, it's very unlikely that a thinker as precise as Einstein would stoop to such sloppy language just to make a point.

Nice catch on my pun there. I didn't think anyone would pick it up.

I see it attributed to a lot of people as well, but usually to Einstein. A couple of websites apparently dedicated solely to random quotations and their authors have Einstein listed as the owner of that saying, but they have it worded differently than I do.

http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/26032.html

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/insanity-doing_the_same_thing_over_and_over_again/15511.html


Either way, the point is clear. I wasn't literally defining the word "insanity", I was saying that for the Suns to try again to win with offense and not defense would be insane, for we have tried it more than once before and it has failed.

 

[cly2tw]

The way we have been defending without Nash, you know it's the one move we must do: Trade Nash. Apparently, he has some value elsewhere and might return the most anyway.

 

[arwillan]

Where do we have to send nash for him to return us any serious value? New York wouldn't give up much, because nash is on his last leg and won't be able to much for long. They're better off with Duhon and Nate. Toronto would be nuts to part with Calderon for Nash, and doesn't have a whole lot else to offer us. In today's economy, I'd say Nash has plenty of value in Phoenix because his deal expires pretty soon.

 

[elindholm]

Where do we have to send nash for him to return us any serious value?

The only candidate I can see is Dallas, if Kidd defects to the Lakers or Cavs (as some are speculating). Otherwise I can't think of anyone else.

 

[slinslin]

New York, maybe Toronto or Portland.

 

[arwillan]

New York, maybe Toronto or Portland.

Like i said above, why would new york lose either Nate or Duhon for Nash? Both of those guys are much younger than Nash, and are doing a great job for Mike. They have bigger holes to fill than point guard, and they wouldn't be able to offer us much value if anything at all.

Toronto already has Calderon. It's not like Nash is going to put them over the top for the championship. They are far better off keeping the younger calderon, and building upwards from there. Nash's expiring deal is worth more to us than what they'd want to lose, if anything, for Nash.

Portland has Blake, who has been fantastic for them all year long. He plays defense and scores when he gets the chance. Nash probably wouldn't do too well there, because Roy handles the ball for them most of the time, and he is their franchise player. They would be nuts to take the ball from his hands and let Nash run the show when Nash is about to be done, and Roy is going to lead their team for years and years to come.

 

[slinslin]

D'Antoni loves Nash, its pretty obvious that Nash is a much better PG than either Nate or Duhon still in an offense like that.

New York does have interessting value, their draftpick, while D'Antoni was here he was never high on adding young players especially when he already had some.

Toronto has more than just basketball reasons to be interessted in Nash.

There will be enough teams wanting to get Nash even more so since he is expiring he could return a very high pick in return for a longer contract.

 

[cly2tw]

D'Antoni loves Nash, its pretty obvious that Nash is a much better PG than either Nate or Duhon still in an offense like that.

New York does have interessting value, their draftpick, while D'Antoni was here he was never high on adding young players especially when he already had some.

Toronto has more than just basketball reasons to be interessted in Nash.

There will be enough teams wanting to get Nash even more so since he is expiring he could return a very high pick in return for a longer contract.

Too bad, they have a savvy president in Walsh there.

Nash will sooner or later see the light and concede himself that the only way for him to be useful for a contender is to alter his game so as to emulate Stockton.

We have seen some screening for Shaq from him which never happened before, with improving results. The team has been better off when he gives up the ball than when he tries to run and gun like the old DA days.

In Porland with Roy as great ball handler, it is easier for Nash to concede the alpha-male role he no longer could and should claim at this age and finally be the clutch shooting assasin a contender needs while avoiding his weakness being fully exposed, with less minutes and less ball dominating. On the Suns, it's the pride issue he just couldn't let go and accept the loss of the alpha male position. (This is also why his insane fan nashman has been all over Amare who is the natural threat for Nash for that role. )

 

[nashman]

Sorry cly Amare is not a threat to be a leader of ANY team he is dumb and selfish not exactly characters teammates respect. The team has more cohesion now than ever WITHOUT Amare in the mix and they all seem happier not having to try and baby Stat!

 

[mojorizen7]

Golden State. They don't play much defense either, and Nash could at least do his thing up there.

 

[slinslin]

Sorry cly Amare is not a threat to be a leader of ANY team he is dumb and selfish not exactly characters teammates respect. The team has more cohesion now than ever WITHOUT Amare in the mix and they all seem happier not having to try and baby Stat!

Can't wait till you are gone from this board, they are happy because Porter is gone not because Amare is out.

Your ignorant posts are getting really annoying, maybe you could start telling us something different sometime and maybe something with a little truth to it.

 

[lou_skywalker]

Can't wait till you are gone from this board, they are happy because Porter is gone not because Amare is out.

Your ignorant posts are getting really annoying, maybe you could start telling us something different sometime and maybe something with a little truth to it.

dude seriously nashman WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU???
you spoil almost every thread with your extreme (I am not saying biased in order to avoid this conflict myself) comments that are just not convincing.
One of our core players has to go this season, and i think its Nash due to the reasons we already know.....

 

[nashman]

I don't care if Nash is traded I was a Suns fan long before him and will be after he is gone! And slin you keep waiting cause I am not going anywhere, not sure what makes you think I am going anywhere been here for along time! Your ignorant defending of Amare gets really annoying hopefully you leave when he does! The truth is you can see it in players faces they are happy to be playing and not throwing it to the self proclaimed franchise player and having him jack up shot after shot or turning it over trying to put it on the floor which he SUCKS at! Defend him all you want he will be traded because they will NOT pay him max money as he is NOT worth it do you get that? Just because we all don't kiss Amares' ass doesn't make posts ignorant. And not sure why you all think trading Nash is any solution to money issues this team has, his contract is more than reasonable either Shaq or Amare maybe both are going to be dealt maybe not in the offseason but by the deadline next season, although if either can be dealt in the offseason they will be.

 

[cly2tw]

nashman, we want Nash traded because we want to have some hope. Nash is a well known commodity that we are sure of his presence means no such hope. In comparison, Amare has never been the alpha mate Nash has. At least there is uncertainty.

 

[zod]

Tonight was another example.

This team needs to retool and get DEFENSIVE minded players and worry about offense later.

 

[lou_skywalker]

Tonight was another example.

This team needs to retool and get DEFENSIVE minded players and worry about offense later.

yeah there will be some demand for Nash out there and we should try get a defensive PG, and preferably young guy to build around.

 

[AceP]

Weather you like it or not, most logical result is Shaq the odd one out, while both Nash and Amare staying. There are plenty of reasons, but here is the one nobody can argue: Sarver and Kerr will be hated, criticized, animadverted, shot, or hung by fans, medias and experts if they traded Nash or Amare, dealing Shaq, they won't.

 

[lou_skywalker]

hope we won't have to dump Shaq like in the failed OKC Hornets trade. We need at least a good pick and a young hustler

 

[Errntknght]

Nice catch on my pun there. I didn't think anyone would pick it up.

I see it attributed to a lot of people as well, but usually to Einstein. A couple of websites apparently dedicated solely to random quotations and their authors have Einstein listed as the owner of that saying, but they have it worded differently than I do.

http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/26032.html

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/insanity-doing_the_same_thing_over_and_over_again/15511.html

'Attributed' to Einstein means they do not have an actual quote of him saying it. Not only doesn't it sound like the kind of thing he would say, at the quantum level, you can do the same thing over and over and get different results - which he would know well. I would say its much more likely that someone attributed it to him in order to give it more weight than that he said actually said it. Of course, if someone who knew him attributed it to him then I couldn't argue.

 

[arwillan]

'Attributed' to Einstein means they do not have an actual quote of him saying it. Not only doesn't it sound like the kind of thing he would say, at the quantum level, you can do the same thing over and over and get different results - which he would know well. I would say its much more likely that someone attributed it to him in order to give it more weight than that he said actually said it. Of course, if someone who knew him attributed it to him then I couldn't argue.

I never said that he verbally said those words. It would be awkward, obviously, and it would probably make him sound like an idiot. All I'm saying is that he probably said or wrote something along those lines, a bunch of people repeated it after him in their own words, and now we recognize him as having said it first. I'm sure when he said/wrote this, he was referring to life in general, rather than to quantum physics.

 

[mjb21aztd]

I think we are in trouble till nash and shaq contracts run out.... I think we will be somewhat a little better next year when we get Amare back healthy and Barbosa but just to many injuries this year . Will we have any money to sign any type of good defense player this offseason?