i think we could bring in a probowl FS REAL cheap

[sundevil81]

l.schulters was just released by the titans for cap reasons (possibly to make room for a t.henry trade). with so many teams with little to no cap room and others that just aren't looking for a FS i think we could bring him in on the cheap. i think he would be an upgrade over anything we have, not to mention griffith is 35 so we'll be looking for a FS in the offseason. we may not be able to offer him a big contract (not that anyone will) considering we're redoing Q's deal but we can offer a starting spot on a good young defense in a state of the art stadium for years to come.

 

[spanky1]

We have a number of ways to go about developing our next FS.......it could be Leon Joe; Aaron Francisco; Adrian Mayes to name a few. Right now, Griffith is the perfect answer to get us to the point where one of our own can assume the FS position in the future.

We don't need any castoffs from other teams........that is not how you build a team that can sustain itself by "growth from within".

 

[ajcardfan]

Leon Joe is playing safety?

 

[spanky1]

Leon Joe is playing safety?[/QUOTE

No he is not......yet, but is being considered as a potential. He is, after all, only 6'0"/225.....not exactly W/OLB size. What he does have is speed and the ability to pack a wallop. He would need to develop the required ball hawk skills needed in a FS.

 

[joeshmo]

Leon Joe is playing safety?

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No but he has the size, speed, vertical to be molded into one.

4.5 speed, 39 inch vertical, over 6 foot.

But he will have to spend a few years developing his coverage skills. He can hide is average coverage skills as a LB but will be exploited as a S.

Plus remember in our scheme the FS and SS lines are very blurry. All Pendy needs are to Safeties not one FS or one SS.

Which means you can throw in Joe's(if they decided to make the switch) and Shazors (if he ever gets to practice) names into the mix to groom and replace Griffith.

 

[ajcardfan]

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No but he has the size, speed, vertical to be molded into one.

4.5 speed, 39 inch vertical, over 6 foot.

But he will have to spend a few years developing his coverage skills. He can hide is average coverage skills as a LB but will be exploited as a S.

Plus remember in our scheme the FS and SS lines are very blurry. All Pendy needs are to Safeties not one FS or one SS.

Which means you can throw in Joe's(if they decided to make the switch) and Shazors (if he ever gets to practice) names into the mix to groom and replace Griffith.

Well, when he starts getting reps at safety, I'll enter him into the equation there. In the meantime, he'd better be thinking special teams right now. He won't make the squad if he can't make an impact there.

 

[spanky1]

Well, when he starts getting reps at safety, I'll enter him into the equation there. In the meantime, he'd better be thinking special teams right now. He won't make the squad if he can't make an impact there.

Leon Joe DOES NOT GET CUT FROM THIS TEAM.....nooooooway. The tears out of Chicago when we stole him off their PS caused Lake Michigan too rise 10'.

Leon Joe could very well become an Adrian Wilson story.....a late bloomer with the sky is the limit.

 

[Carpy]

l.schulters was just released by the titans for cap reasons (possibly to make room for a t.henry trade).

He was cut for two reasons - Salary Cap purge (still) - Lamont Thompson is cheaper and performed very well in Lance's role last year. And also, Lance was considered a "poor trainer". His attitude on the practice field was not good last year which helped o make him expendable.

 

[BACH]

Leon Joe DOES NOT GET CUT FROM THIS TEAM.....nooooooway. The tears out of Chicago when we stole him off their PS caused Lake Michigan too rise 10'.

Leon Joe could very well become an Adrian Wilson story.....a late bloomer with the sky is the limit.

I don't know. More and more quality players fight for a roster spot. How many LB spots are on the 53 man roster? Or how many DB spots?

We only carried 6 LBs last year. Our top 6 right now are:
Dansby
Darling
Huff
Hayes
Blackstock
Mitchell

That leaves Joe out...

 

[sundevil81]

We have a number of ways to go about developing our next FS.......it could be Leon Joe; Aaron Francisco; Adrian Mayes to name a few. Right now, Griffith is the perfect answer to get us to the point where one of our own can assume the FS position in the future.

We don't need any castoffs from other teams........that is not how you build a team that can sustain itself by "growth from within".

schulters is in no way a castoff, he is a probowler that was a cap casualty on a team in absolute cap hell. and i think okefor, berry, ross, macklin, huff and warner would disagree with "growth from within." especially when were talking about a late round picks that hasn't so much as made a tackle in the nfl.
i agree we hold on to him and develop him but to assume a player that has spent his entire career playing LB and never played FS (not even SS which would be the natural progression from LB, not FS) and never made an nfl tackle and wont be anymore than a sp teams player this season is going to step in and be the answer at FS next year is a little rediculous. why not bring in the probowler on the cheap and IF someone develops from within we'll deal with it then instead of depending on it.

 

[ajcardfan]

Leon Joe DOES NOT GET CUT FROM THIS TEAM.....nooooooway. The tears out of Chicago when we stole him off their PS caused Lake Michigan too rise 10'.

Leon Joe could very well become an Adrian Wilson story.....a late bloomer with the sky is the limit.

If he doesn't get cut, it'll mean he's playing well on special teams. If he does turn out as good as your dreams for him, then great, that's gravy as far as I'm concerned. I'm glad we're moving past the days of counting on practice squad steals and UDFA's to save us.

Remember how we stole Corey Sears from the Rams and they were "crying" about it and he was going to be the answer at DT for us? Hell, we made that stiff a starter right off the bat with no competition. At least Joe will earn his way.

 

[sundevil81]

"Leon Joe could very well become an Adrian Wilson story.....a late bloomer with the sky is the limit."

or a ray thompson story an undersized lb that cant cut it in the nfl, much less as a fs.

 

[Pariah]

Leon Joe is playing safety?

No he is not......yet, but is being considered as a potential.

I've heard this a number of times on this board, but is it anymore than a fanboy's wishful thinking at this point? I haven't heard anything out of Cardinal Land to support it.

 

[joeshmo]

I've heard this a number of times on this board, but is it anymore than a fanboy's wishful thinking at this point? I haven't heard anything out of Cardinal Land to support it.

I am the guys biggest supporter on this site. But even I think he is the odd man out in the 6 man LB rotation. He will have to prove himself on ST for Green to want to keep 7 LB's.

 

[joeshmo]

schulters is in no way a castoff, he is a probowler

This whole he is a probowler thing you keep mentioning is very misleading. He has gone once in 7 years. Hasnt been since 2002, and hasnt had an INT, FF, or FR in 2 straight seasons, thats 2 years of not creating a single turnover, and not many passes defensed either.

It was pretty easy for the Titans to cut him with Lamant Thompson waiting in the wings and Schulters not producing for 2 straight years.

I would rather wait for next years crop of FA's, draft prospects, in house development prospects (Shazor, Francisco, ect)

 

[az jam]

I don't see Denny picking up any veteran free agents at all at this time. If during training camp & the preseason games the Cardinals have some injuries or a glowing need than he would go after one. However, IMO Denny is satisfied with the existing roster going into training camp.

 

[CardinalChris]

I'm tired of hoping the experiments of switching positions for young players uncovers a marvelous player waiting to happen. He makes it as a gunner or not at all.

 

[sundevil81]

This whole he is a probowler thing you keep mentioning is very misleading. He has gone once in 7 years. Hasnt been since 2002, and hasnt had an INT, FF, or FR in 2 straight seasons, thats 2 years of not creating a single turnover, and not many passes defensed either.

It was pretty easy for the Titans to cut him with Lamant Thompson waiting in the wings and Schulters not producing for 2 straight years.

i believe he was a brobowler in 99 & 02 if im not mistaken, and it's not like 2002 was all that long ago. he led the titans db's in tackles in 03 and had 9 passes def. he missed 13 games last year due to injury but who to say he wouldn't have returned to the probowl, in the three games he played in he had 14 tackles 1 pass def and a sack.

 

[joeshmo]

i believe he was a brobowler in 99 & 02 if im not mistaken, and it's not like 2002 was all that long ago. he led the titans db's in tackles in 03 and had 9 passes def. he missed 13 games last year due to injury but who to say he wouldn't have returned to the probowl, in the three games he played in he had 14 tackles 1 pass def and a sack.

Actually you made my case even better. I was wrong. He didnt go to the pro bowl in 2002 like I said. His one and only pro bowl was 1999 like you pointed out. Making it 5 years since he has been to the pro bowl.

As for having the most tackles out of the Titans DB's in 2003. What does that have to do with him being any good. If that is the measuring stick you want to use then you got to love Griffith. He not only had more tackles then all of the DB's last year but had 40 more tackles then the next closet defensive player on the whole team.

Plus Griffith was apart of a DB core on the Browns in 2004 that helped a D be top 5 in pass D with having one of the bad pass rush to boot. And the same in 2003 they were in the top 10. In 2003 Schulters last year to start, His group DB group that included Dyson and Samari Rolle were 3rd to dead last with a top 10 pass rush to help them out. ***Note - It wasnt all Griffiths or Schulters doing of where their teams were ranked in pass D but they were contributors to it. So it isnt the whole picture but is a big piece of the picture.

As for 9 PD in 2003. That really isnt something that makes a case for him. 61 other DB's that year had more then 9 PD.

Now I will take him for a very cap friendly deal for the life of the contract, and with no ideas of giving him the starting job out right. He would be better then Ohalete, though. But he is by no means the long term solution to the FS problem that we could have next year.

 

[ajcardfan]

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[BACH]

I am the guys biggest supporter on this site. But even I think he is the odd man out in the 6 man LB rotation. He will have to prove himself on ST for Green to want to keep 7 LB's.

My thoughts exactly.

Joe and Mitchell probably have to fight it out for the last LB spot and Joe will lose that battle 9 out of 10 times. Joe has very good potential, but Mitchell has even more potential and he's an inside linebacker.

 

[JeffGollin]

There is a built-in bias among most of us on this board to want to sign every high profile free agent who comes on the market. (It's kind of like the kid at Christmastime looking at the window at FAO Schwartz toy store).

I don't know that much about Schulters and there are exceptions to every rule, but we don't have to go out and try to sign someone just because he's available.

 

[Totally_Red]

There is a built-in bias among most of us on this board to want to sign every high profile free agent who comes on the market. (It's kind of like the kid at Christmastime looking at the window at FAO Schwartz toy store).

I don't know that much about Schulters and there are exceptions to every rule, but we don't have to go out and try to sign someone just because he's available.

At this point, unless the coaching staff is disappointed in what they have, there probably ain't much out there worth acquiring. The signing of WR Charles Lee a couple weeks ago leads me to believe they weren't happy with what they had at 4th and 5th WR and/or wanted those guys to step it up.

OTOH, when you can pick up a special teams demon like Morrow for the vet minimum that is risk-free. If he's still got it, you keep him. If not, he gets cut during training camp.

Denny seems to want a handful of solid veterans he trusts and who can lead, with the bulk of the team built around draft choices and rookie free agents that he can mold from the git-go.

 

[Scott MS]

Last year the Cardinals had an 8 time pro bowler and Super Bowl MVP -- Emmitt Smith.

Doesn't mean they are still pro bowlers.

 

[BigDavis75]

Last year the Cardinals had an 8 time pro bowler and Super Bowl MVP -- Emmitt Smith.

Doesn't mean they are still pro bowlers.

Case-in-point. Also, many other teams are competing for Shulters, what message would that send Griffith if we drained a good amount of resources to get him?