I wonder if Cam Newton was white?

[Buckybird]

The thing is the system he's in requires almost no reading of defense. He comes up the LOS and he has one read on the options he reads the DE whether to pitch it or run it himself. on the pass plays he has the pass/run option and if the first receiver isn't open, he almost always takes off and runs.

That's why reading NFL defenses is something everyone questions with him, because he's now played in 3 systems, Florida, JC, and Auburn, where he didn't have to read defense.

This is the exact reason he isn't worth a 1st Rd pick IMO.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

Really? A race based thread?

You are missing the point of the thread. I'm just saying that Newton shouldn't be compared with Jamarcus Russell just because he is a black quarterback from the south. I really doubt its just a coincidence that Newton gets the Russell comparisons. I don't think it's just because he is a big guy or has a great arm.

Why not compare Andrew Luck to Jamarcus Russell? Luck is 6'4" and 235 pounds. Instead Luck gets compared to Peyton Manning and Newton gets compared to Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young. I don't think that is fair. Why does every great black quarterback have to be compared to another black quarterback? Why can't the media say that Newton reminds them of John Elway? (Elway was a terrific athlete with a howitzer for an arm, but he also was extremely raw when coming out of college). Instead he gets the Russell comparisons which lead people to think he is unmotivated and lazy.

 

[Buckybird]

You are missing the point of the thread. I'm just saying that Newton shouldn't be compared with Jamarcus Russell just because he is a black quarterback from the south. I really doubt its just a coincidence that Newton gets the Russell comparisons. I don't think it's just because he is a big guy or has a great arm.

Why not compare Andrew Luck to Jamarcus Russell? Luck is 6'4" and 235 pounds. Instead Luck gets compared to Peyton Manning and Newton gets compared to Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young. I don't think that is fair. Why does every great black quarterback have to be compared to another black quarterback? Why can't the media say that Newton reminds them of John Elway? (Elway was a terrific athlete with a howitzer for an arm, but he also was extremely raw when coming out of college). Instead he gets the Russell comparisons which lead people to think he is unmotivated and lazy.

Has Newton really showed you enough skills as a passer for anyone (including you) to be compared to Manning or Elway when they were in college? No freaking way!!! A big part of the VY/Vick comparisons is due to the style of offenses & Newtons ability to run/pass, not the color of his skin.

Alot of what Newton will deal with before the draft is because of choices & decisions he made throughout his college career & the allegations of what his dad did/didnt do. I still wouldn't touch the kid with a 10 pole based on what I think he will be as an NFL QB and it isnt because he's black!!!

 

[Southpaw]

You are missing the point of the thread. I'm just saying that Newton shouldn't be compared with Jamarcus Russell just because he is a black quarterback from the south. I really doubt its just a coincidence that Newton gets the Russell comparisons. I don't think it's just because he is a big guy or has a great arm.

Why not compare Andrew Luck to Jamarcus Russell? Luck is 6'4" and 235 pounds. Instead Luck gets compared to Peyton Manning and Newton gets compared to Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young. I don't think that is fair. Why does every great black quarterback have to be compared to another black quarterback? Why can't the media say that Newton reminds them of John Elway? (Elway was a terrific athlete with a howitzer for an arm, but he also was extremely raw when coming out of college). Instead he gets the Russell comparisons which lead people to think he is unmotivated and lazy.

Didn't miss anything. I don't think there is a valid point here. It is race based and pointless.

 

[bugboy]

Why not compare Andrew Luck to Jamarcus Russell? Luck is 6'4" and 235 pounds. Instead Luck gets compared to Peyton Manning and Newton gets compared to Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young. I don't think that is fair.

Newton will prove the skeptics wrong. He still has to beg his coach not to put him back into a rough game, still has to go AWOL, still has to threaten to kill himself, still has to have his mother defend him to the media, still has to throw team issued gear into the stands then follow it up with an apology by text message before he fills Young's shoes.

 

[Zeno]

Newton will prove the skeptics wrong. He still has to beg his coach not to put him back into a rough game, still has to go AWOL, still has to threaten to kill himself, still has to have his mother defend him to the media, still has to throw team issued gear into the stands then follow it up with an apology by text message before he fills Young's shoes.

I don't think anyone is comparing Newton to Young any further than ON the field in college...at least I am not. There is no other QB close you can compare him to (not even Vick--Newton is much bigger and although he is fast he is not Vick fast).

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

Has Newton really showed you enough skills as a passer for anyone (including you) to be compared to Manning or Elway when they were in college? No freaking way!!! A big part of the VY/Vick comparisons is due to the style of offenses & Newtons ability to run/pass, not the color of his skin.

Alot of what Newton will deal with before the draft is because of choices & decisions he made throughout his college career & the allegations of what his dad did/didnt do. I still wouldn't touch the kid with a 10 pole based on what I think he will be as an NFL QB and it isnt because he's black!!!

Point taken. Luck doesn't remind me of Peyton Manning by the way. He reminds me of Warren Moon

 

[NJCardFan]

Point taken. Luck doesn't remind me of Peyton Manning by the way. He reminds me of Warren Moon

Which would be accurate with the lone exception that Luck isn't married yet so he hasn't had the opportunity to beat his wife. Just sayin'.

Seriously, comparing a player to a player of the same race has been done since time immortal. Do you think when Craig James was getting drafted out of SMU they were comparing him to Eric Dickerson or Tony Dorsett? And by that token, you'll never hear a black QB being compared to white running QB's like Bobby Douglas or a young Roger Staubach. Take this Hillis kid from Cleveland. Who are they comparing him to? Robert Newhouse? Earl Campbell? No, they're comparing him to Mike Alstott or Tom Rathman but you don't seem to be too upset at that. This is why your race baiting is nonsense.

 

[conraddobler]

I don't know that Cam translates well into the NFL, he has the tools but he also has a lot of baggage comming with him, I don't like baggage at all.

 

[desertdawg]

Which would be accurate with the lone exception that Luck isn't married yet so he hasn't had the opportunity to beat his wife. Just sayin'.
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[NJCardFan]

Sooo, you're saying Moon wasn't a wife beater? Perhaps you should read this first: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE7DB1E3FF937A35753C1A963958260

 

[desertdawg]

Sooo, you're saying Moon wasn't a wife beater? Perhaps you should read this first: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE7DB1E3FF937A35753C1A963958260

I aint saying anything about Moon, no linkie needed.

It is just an odd and crappy thing t bring up, and using it as ammo on some else's post is also odd and crappy.

I say good day, not looking for a fight, get your punch line in and move along amigo.

 

[NJCardFan]

I aint saying anything about Moon, no linkie needed.

It is just an odd and crappy thing t bring up, and using it as ammo on some else's post is also odd and crappy.

I say good day, not looking for a fight, get your punch line in and move along amigo.

Hey, the guy was comparing Luck to Moon and it needed to be corrected. It's how I do.

 

[oaken1]

I don't think anyone is comparing Newton to Young any further than ON the field in college...at least I am not. There is no other QB close you can compare him to (not even Vick--Newton is much bigger and although he is fast he is not Vick fast).

Try comparing Newton to Randall cunningham,...much better comparison.

 

[Mulli]

Which would be accurate with the lone exception that Luck isn't married yet so he hasn't had the opportunity to beat his wife. Just sayin'.

Seriously, comparing a player to a player of the same race has been done since time immortal. Do you think when Craig James was getting drafted out of SMU they were comparing him to Eric Dickerson or Tony Dorsett? And by that token, you'll never hear a black QB being compared to white running QB's like Bobby Douglas or a young Roger Staubach. Take this Hillis kid from Cleveland. Who are they comparing him to? Robert Newhouse? Earl Campbell? No, they're comparing him to Mike Alstott or Tom Rathman but you don't seem to be too upset at that. This is why your race baiting is nonsense.

Why would anyone with a brain compare James to Dickerson or Dorsett? They are not comparable in any way. Same for Campbell and Hillis.

 

[football karma]

I dunno. We pretty much have a similar guy here in the Pac 10 by the name of Jake Locker who happens to be white.

Super athletic. Great runner with questionable passing skills. Nobody is giving Locker a pass.

 

[Zeno]

Try comparing Newton to Randall cunningham,...much better comparison.

Not even close. When Cunningham left college he was one of only 3 college QBs ever to throw for 2500 yards in 3 straight seasons (the others being Elway & Flutie)...he threw for over 8000 yards in college! He threw way more than he ran.

Newton hasn't shown anywhere near the consistency to throw like that.

Currently Newton is about even with 242 rushes & 246 passes.

 

[Russ Smith]

You are missing the point of the thread. I'm just saying that Newton shouldn't be compared with Jamarcus Russell just because he is a black quarterback from the south. I really doubt its just a coincidence that Newton gets the Russell comparisons. I don't think it's just because he is a big guy or has a great arm.

Why not compare Andrew Luck to Jamarcus Russell? Luck is 6'4" and 235 pounds. Instead Luck gets compared to Peyton Manning and Newton gets compared to Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young. I don't think that is fair. Why does every great black quarterback have to be compared to another black quarterback? Why can't the media say that Newton reminds them of John Elway? (Elway was a terrific athlete with a howitzer for an arm, but he also was extremely raw when coming out of college). Instead he gets the Russell comparisons which lead people to think he is unmotivated and lazy.

That's based on how Luck plays though not his physical makeup. His own coach said as a redshirting freshman Luck knew the offense so well he had to restrain himself from burning his redshirt year and just playing him.

Luck actually started the game somewhat late, he was playing soccer in Europe where he lived, he played football too but just for fun. At some point his dad said it became really obvious he saw the game differently and he was going to be really good so when they moved back to the states he concentrated on football.

I don't know why people would compare Newton to JaMarcus, Russell isn't a runner at all, never has been he's too fat. So yes people making that comparison are probably just going off size and color of skin.

 

[Zeno]

I dunno. We pretty much have a similar guy here in the Pac 10 by the name of Jake Locker who happens to be white.

Super athletic. Great runner with questionable passing skills. Nobody is giving Locker a pass.

I think Locker's lack of accuracy is going to cause him to fall on a lot of draft boards (as it should)....and calling him a "great" runner might be a stretch, mobile QB but he doesn't run like Newton does or Young did.

 

[Mulli]

I wonder how Newton's numbers compare to Akili Smith?

Not because of race, but because the Bengals might have a chance to draft him...

 

[crisper57]

There are very few QB's that have the skill set of Newton. I can't think of a single one that is white.

So he gets compared to other athletic, mobile QB's who also happen to be African American.

I was anti-Newton when I thought he might have been soliciting money to play. But he's pretty much been cleared and now I have no issue with him winning the Heisman or taking his team to the BCS championship game.

That being said, I don't know if I want him on our team next year. He has been caught cheating as Florida and he did purchase stolen goods, which shows a lack in decision-making skills. I want a cerebral QB running this team and his decision making off the field leads me to wonder if he has the stuff between the ears to be a good NFL QB.

Right now, he can run circles around lesser talent, making up for any of his other shortcomings. But when the game speed goes into NFL-warp-drive, will he still be so dominant? I don't think so.

 

[Snakester]

I will say one thing for Newton, He is a great running QB. Any team that wants to use their quarterback as a runner will be thrilled to get this guy. Any team that wants a QB that can throw the ball accurately down field will be disapointed. He is pretty good on the short throws, but forget about downfield. To me he is a third round project at best. Yea he will be drafted higher, most likely in the first round. I just don't see him as ever being a good pocket passer.

 

[DoTheDew]

I dunno. We pretty much have a similar guy here in the Pac 10 by the name of Jake Locker who happens to be white.

Super athletic. Great runner with questionable passing skills. Nobody is giving Locker a pass.

The best part of this post is it highlights the real problem. Newton has one year to base things on. A year ago everyone thought Locker was going to be the #1 pick this year. Amazing what a difference a season can make. If Newton had two seasons of the amazing stats, I'd feel much better about him. There's just too many examples of college QBs having 1 great year and everyone falling in love with them.

What ever happened to Jevan Snead? There was a time when he was as hyped as Newton is now. Then he had to play another season. Now he's out of football.

Anyone who doesn't acknowledge the high level of uncertainty and risk with Newton is just being a fanboy.

 

[cgolden]

Well is Cam Newton was white, he wouldn't be as athletic.....right? He'd probably be a guy who studies the game and is the first one in the facilities and the last to leave....kind of a lunch pail guy.

 

[BigRedRage]

Too bad tebow is white