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Murray’s a baller. He’s constantly getting ripped apart on this board and that’s fair but he hasn’t come close to reaching his potential. People are entitled to their opinions and they certainly have the right to critique his play/point out his flaws but there’s a lot more good than bad when it comes to Kyler.
Patrick Mahomes has created some unrealistic expectations for young QB’s.
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I think that's unfair. My minimal expectation for a QB, especially one that's the #1 pick, is that they can throw an accurate ball consistently and make throws to open guys. Kyler simply hasn't done that in at least half our games.
Yes he was much better vs the Seahawks, but then just the week before he was really bad vs Dallas. And he still had a bad pick that could have been costly due to bad mechanics.
I don't think anyone has said Kyler his bad, or they don't see him as our QB. Just that he needs to fix his passing issues, which Kyler has said himself.
Hasn’t come close to reaching his potential= he has things to fix.
Worse than last year = things to fix
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Hey Britt I know you’ve only been watching football for eight years but could you give me some examples of guys who were finished products in their second year? You’re really good with statistics so it should be easy for you to find.
Now that’s unfair
I don't expect him to be the finished product. Where have I said that?
I expect him to be better than last year. That's all. Not worse.
He is a better player. He's learned to other aspects of the game, including his running, which have made him great to watch, but as a thrower he hasn't improved and has gone backwards in some areas. It's not like I'm making it up, it's been widely discussed by practically every NFL show and Kyler, Kliff, and Keim.
I'll throw this out I don't think he is worse, I think you expected him to make a leap as a passer that he hasn't made, in part due to the unusual offseason, and so you think he's worse
His % is higher, his YPA is higher, his TD's are higher on a pace for I think 28 had 20 TD's last year. More int's but then remember he started with INT's last year and then cut them back the 2nd half. Sacks are way down. He's not putting us in those big holes nearly as often as last year with the sacks.
he's still missing throws or not seeing them, we all agree on that, but I think he did that last year too. the improvement as a runner is just obvious, already topped last year TD wise, much stronger not falling over at first bump etc. As a result he's dramatically better in the redzone which has been huge for us this year. He's a much better runner this year, he's an improved passer largely because he has much better pocket presence. He still at times reacts to pressure when he doesn't need to, he has lots of things to work on but I don't think its' accurate to say he's not as good a passer as he was last year
Brit, my biggest gripe with KM last year was all the sacks he took that were his fault. This year the difference is night and day, imo. He's made BIG strides in his second year.
I don't expect him to be the finished product. Where have I said that?
I expect him to be better than last year. That's all. Not worse.
He is a better player. He's learned to other aspects of the game, including his running, which have made him great to watch, but as a thrower he hasn't improved and has gone backwards in some areas. It's not like I'm making it up, it's been widely discussed by practically every NFL show and Kyler, Kliff, and Keim.
It's not always his actual throws, it's the throws he doesn't make.
Yes, everyone was expecting him to make a leap and in many areas he has, I just said that. But he has still gone backwards as a passer. He's missed wide open guys several times, either just not seen them or sailed passes or thrown them into the dirt. He only has 2 games out of 7 where he hasn't thrown an INT. He has nearly twice as many INT's through 7 games this year than he did through 7 last year. And that's against some of the weakest passing defenses in the league in the easiest part of our schedule.
He improved against the Seahawks for sure, but then he also had probably his worst game ever just the week before against one of the worst defenses in the league.
I'm not expecting miracles from the kid. I'm happy with many of the ways he has progressed. I just didn't expect his throwing to regress, even slightly.
It's not always his actual throws, it's the throws he doesn't make. This is Sunday. We won so it's not such a big deal but it is.
This is the 4th down after Budda was run down by DK. We are about to turn it over on downs anyway so he has a free pass here, and INT doesn't matter as long as it isn't sixable.
First he turns down a wide open Kirk in the EZ. Don't say the DB is going to jump it because he doesn't and there's all kind of time before this image was taken for the ball to be arriving at Kirk as this shot is taken. Kyler is staring right at it but doesn't take it. That's an easy TD.
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Then he runs around a bit and eventually just floats something up in hope that lands nowhere. But before that happens he has Nuk wide open in the EZ, again looking right at him but still doesn't throw it.
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Both times the receivers are there waving their arms shouting "HELLOOOOOO, OVER HERE". I', not sure what more Kyler wants.
Yes, everyone was expecting him to make a leap and in many areas he has, I just said that. But he has still gone backwards as a passer. He's missed wide open guys several times, either just not seen them or sailed passes or thrown them into the dirt. He only has 2 games out of 7 where he hasn't thrown an INT. He has nearly twice as many INT's through 7 games this year than he did through 7 last year. And that's against some of the weakest passing defenses in the league in the easiest part of our schedule.
He improved against the Seahawks for sure, but then he also had probably his worst game ever just the week before against one of the worst defenses in the league.
I'm not expecting miracles from the kid. I'm happy with many of the ways he has progressed. I just didn't expect his throwing to regress, even slightly.
It's not always his actual throws, it's the throws he doesn't make. This is Sunday. We won so it's not such a big deal but it is.
This is the 4th down after Budda was run down by DK. We are about to turn it over on downs anyway so he has a free pass here, and INT doesn't matter as long as it isn't sixable.
First he turns down a wide open Kirk in the EZ. Don't say the DB is going to jump it because he doesn't and there's all kind of time before this image was taken for the ball to be arriving at Kirk as this shot is taken. Kyler is staring right at it but doesn't take it. That's an easy TD.
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Then he runs around a bit and eventually just floats something up in hope that lands nowhere. But before that happens he has Nuk wide open in the EZ, again looking right at him but still doesn't throw it.
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Both times the receivers are there waving their arms shouting "HELLOOOOOO, OVER HERE". I', not sure what more Kyler wants.