I would do this trade in a heartbeat

[Russ Smith]

We're going to agree to disagree on this one, Russ. I'll go with what The Sporting News and a lot of other people have to say about Henry (although I'm pretty sure that it's well neigh impossible to run a 4.25 40). Moss wasn't exactly playing in WVU's offense at Marshall, either. Nor did Mashall play in a schedule that put them in the BCS, nor did Henry have Chad Pennington throwing to him.

If I were a Titans fan, or a Chargers fan, would I want Henry? Probably not on the first day. But as a Cardinal fan, with Denny Green at the helm, I'd love to see Henry in whatever ugly uni gets unveiled next month.

Tell me that the prospect of the '99 Viking offense for a decade doesn't send chills down your spine.

It does but Henry is nowhere near as good as moss was so drafting Henry won't give us that offense. Plus I'd rather have the 98 offense that set the NFL scoring record not the 99.


Obviously not a great schedule at Marshall but does that really matter when we know the next year Moss had 17 TD's in the NFL? You really expect Henry to get 17 TD's in the NFL in 2005?

I'm not saying Henry can't be a great player, he can, he has the talent, but you're suggesting he's comparable to Moss which I don't think anybody NOW agrees with. People always compared him to Moss in school, tall and fast and a headcase, but nobody ever suggested he was anywhere near as dominant as Moss was. When Moss was redshirting at Florida State his teammates were lobbying Bowden to activate and play him because he was the best player on the team, as a freshman, at Florida State.

I don't believe in 40 times either but the same system that got Moss at 4.25 got Henry quite a bit slower, that's all I'm saying. Moss isn't that fast anymore he has chronic ankle problems, but I'm betting he'd still outrun Henry pretty easily.


NFL.com's scouting report compares him to Jerry Porter which I think he has a chance to do if he puts his mind to it. Porter of course is nothing like Moss, teams don't design their defensive gameplan around how to keep Jerry Porter from going bananas on them. Brandt said that Henry really hurt himself at the combine with his interviews and 40 and supposedly his workouts continued to show he has very little feel for the game or routes, he will need a lot of coaching. I'd draft him in the 3rd round and use him as a speed guy while we try to teach him the game

 

[cardsunsfan]

Why do people think that players who haven't even played in the pros yet are going to be better than proven players? Somebody should really go look at past drafts and see how many receivers have panned out as well as Boldin. How many players have been like Moss over the yrs? How about nobody? How many receivers end up just being third choices on their teams or end up not even playing? How about most...

 

[Shuesters2]

Boldin for Philadelphia's 1st 2nd round pick (#35 overall)......and then draft Matt Jones in this slot.

Bingo, there is your Randy Moss speed deep WR threat.

And I guarantee you, Philadelphia would do this trade in a NY minute.

Yeah, great idea! Let's throw in Berry and Big as well... real quick so they don't change their mind.

Shuesters

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I have seen Henry play. I saw their Bowl game, and the kid was making a scene. I agree that he's a problem child. But I think that Dennis Green can handle him. There are players that do that because they think they're the best option, and guys that do that because they're petulant. I think that Henry just thinks that he's the best guy to go to on every play. Let Denny take care of him.

WVU did a great job beating up on James Madison, East Carolina, UConn, Syracuse (who gave up big offensive numbers all season), Rugers, and Temple, but against--you know--real NCAA teams, their offense was pretty stagnant: 19 v. Maryland, 13 v. VA Tech, 17 v. Boston College, 13 v. Pitt. 18 against FL State was all right, but they failed to score a TD in the final three quarters of that game.

The Mountaineers attempted 259 total passes in 2004, but their three top runners combined for 477 carries. I'm not saying that their offense was stagnant, but compared to Marshall (425 passes in 2004, 477 in 2001 [last available date]), it sure was.

Thats all well and good, but how can you advocate taking this kid that high? You want to take a flyer on a kid with a bad attitude problem then fine, but dont waste our 2nd round pick on him! And I certainly wouldnt compare him to Moss as far as impact.

As far as Henry's mind set, well it has nothing to do with his "competitive" nature or him thinking he is always the best option. It has to do with him being a thug. He was a thug in high school, a thug when colleges pulled scholarships off the table because of his "off-field" issues, and a thug now. He has no respect for authority (see last year when he had to be restrained during a game from going after WVU's RB coach on the sidelines)

I thought the same way you did when WVU landed him b/c other schools pulled his scholarship. "Wow great for WVU" but he has been more trouble than he is worth! and he would be more toruble for AZ as well!

 

[ASUCHRIS]

This trade is about as logical as signing Champ Bailey, TO, Chris McAlister, and Jevon Kearse in one offseason.

ha ha

 

[Russ Smith]

I have seen Henry play. I saw their Bowl game, and the kid was making a scene. I agree that he's a problem child. But I think that Dennis Green can handle him. There are players that do that because they think they're the best option, and guys that do that because they're petulant. I think that Henry just thinks that he's the best guy to go to on every play. Let Denny take care of him.

WVU did a great job beating up on James Madison, East Carolina, UConn, Syracuse (who gave up big offensive numbers all season), Rugers, and Temple, but against--you know--real NCAA teams, their offense was pretty stagnant: 19 v. Maryland, 13 v. VA Tech, 17 v. Boston College, 13 v. Pitt. 18 against FL State was all right, but they failed to score a TD in the final three quarters of that game.

The Mountaineers attempted 259 total passes in 2004, but their three top runners combined for 477 carries. I'm not saying that their offense was stagnant, but compared to Marshall (425 passes in 2004, 477 in 2001 [last available date]), it sure was.

Marshall had 449 pass attempts in Moss' last year there, Moss caught 90 of them nearly 1700 yards and 17 TD's.

Since you only want to count MD, Va Tech, BC, Pitt and FSU as real NCAA games lets see what the great Chris Henry did in those games. DNP against Pitt he was suspended for being the next Moss level *******. In the other 4 games 21 catches, 293 yards, 2 TD's 14 YPC.

I do agree Rasheed Marshall was nowhere near as good as Pennington and held Henry's stats down but Henry padded his stats against the very weak competition you're holding against WVU when knocking their offense. Take away Central Florida, James Madison and Syracuse (2 TD's against each) and his numbers are nowhere near as impressive. Quite frankly his schedule last year isn't all that better than the one Moss played in 97 when he got 25 TD's often only playing the first half because Marshall won so easily.

 

[kerouac9]

It does but Henry is nowhere near as good as moss was so drafting Henry won't give us that offense. Plus I'd rather have the 98 offense that set the NFL scoring record not the 99.


Obviously not a great schedule at Marshall but does that really matter when we know the next year Moss had 17 TD's in the NFL? You really expect Henry to get 17 TD's in the NFL in 2005?

I'm not saying Henry can't be a great player, he can, he has the talent, but you're suggesting he's comparable to Moss which I don't think anybody NOW agrees with. People always compared him to Moss in school, tall and fast and a headcase, but nobody ever suggested he was anywhere near as dominant as Moss was. When Moss was redshirting at Florida State his teammates were lobbying Bowden to activate and play him because he was the best player on the team, as a freshman, at Florida State.

I don't believe in 40 times either but the same system that got Moss at 4.25 got Henry quite a bit slower, that's all I'm saying. Moss isn't that fast anymore he has chronic ankle problems, but I'm betting he'd still outrun Henry pretty easily.

NFL.com's scouting report compares him to Jerry Porter which I think he has a chance to do if he puts his mind to it. Porter of course is nothing like Moss, teams don't design their defensive gameplan around how to keep Jerry Porter from going bananas on them. Brandt said that Henry really hurt himself at the combine with his interviews and 40 and supposedly his workouts continued to show he has very little feel for the game or routes, he will need a lot of coaching. I'd draft him in the 3rd round and use him as a speed guy while we try to teach him the game

The Sporting News and Scouts, Inc. compare him to Moss, for what it's worth.

I don't think that Henry could get 17 TDs as a rookie, but he could have 10. It's not all about speed; Henry has great body control, and is still faster than Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin. The guy's a legitimate deep threat that I think would develop much faster than Porter did in Oakland. Scouts has the same flag on "understanding of the game" as Gil apparently throws on.

Still, an intriguing prospect...

 

[Russ Smith]

The Sporting News and Scouts, Inc. compare him to Moss, for what it's worth.

I don't think that Henry could get 17 TDs as a rookie, but he could have 10. It's not all about speed; Henry has great body control, and is still faster than Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin. The guy's a legitimate deep threat that I think would develop much faster than Porter did in Oakland. Scouts has the same flag on "understanding of the game" as Gil apparently throws on.

Still, an intriguing prospect...

Well if you stop there we agree. it's just the Moss and Carter offense for 10 years stuff that I disagree with.

I think Henry would make Bryant Johnson trade bait by his 2nd year, but he's not going to have teams peeing their pants the way Moss did his first 4-5 years.

Moss is a major jerk, always has been, but even with his lack of effort he's one of the most dominant WR's in NFL history. When he wanted to play nobody could stop him.

 

[kerouac9]

Well if you stop there we agree. it's just the Moss and Carter offense for 10 years stuff that I disagree with.

I think Henry would make Bryant Johnson trade bait by his 2nd year, but he's not going to have teams peeing their pants the way Moss did his first 4-5 years.

Moss is a major jerk, always has been, but even with his lack of effort he's one of the most dominant WR's in NFL history. When he wanted to play nobody could stop him.

Potentially Carter and Moss for a decade. Here's a question: whom do you have higher on your draft board: Chris Henry or Matt Jones (as a WR)?

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Potentially Carter and Moss for a decade. Here's a question: whom do you have higher on your draft board: Chris Henry or Matt Jones (as a WR)?

Clayton!


EDIT: But I cannot take a kid based on doing well at the combine alone. This team needs football players and as great an athlete Jones is he hasnt played WR before. Mamula comes to mind

I would have to say Henry based on that alone!

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Wtf?

My thoughts exactly!!!

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Boldin for Philadelphia's 1st 2nd round pick (#35 overall)......and then draft Matt Jones in this slot.

Bingo, there is your Randy Moss speed deep WR threat.

And I guarantee you, Philadelphia would do this trade in a NY minute.

Give us some of what you are smokin'

 

[Russ Smith]

Potentially Carter and Moss for a decade. Here's a question: whom do you have higher on your draft board: Chris Henry or Matt Jones (as a WR)?

As a WR I'd say Henry, I don't think Jones will play WR I think he'll end up at TE.

That said if you said one of those 2 will be out of the NFL in 4 years I'd put my money on Henry not Jones. People think Jones is laid back, people think Henry is just a jerk.Not saying henry will be out in 4 years just he's far more likely to completely bust than Jones is.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

As a WR I'd say Henry, I don't think Jones will play WR I think he'll end up at TE.

That said if you said one of those 2 will be out of the NFL in 4 years I'd put my money on Henry not Jones. People think Jones is laid back, people think Henry is just a jerk.Not saying henry will be out in 4 years just he's far more likely to completely bust than Jones is.

agreed...

He is also far more likely to not even make it through his first training camp before being in some sort of trouble either with the team or off the field!