If Cards Fire Wilks - not a good list of HC candidates

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Pete Carmichael, here is a link on his history with the Saints. Impressive read. Being in NO for 11 years some of Payton had to rub off on him. I would be keying on Carmichael from the get go.

Here is one excerpt: In 2017, the offensive line allowed just 20 sacks, the second-fewest in the National Football League, even though they had to open with six different starting combinations.

https://www.neworleanssaints.com/team/coaches-roster/pete-carmichael
 

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I don't love the idea, but Vic Fangio has to get an interview. He would at least be able to elevate the defensive players we have.

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I don't love the idea, but Vic Fangio has to get an interview. He would at least be able to elevate the defensive players we have.

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I think he’s complacent just being a DC, tbh.
 

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I still think Munchak or Caldwell will do a good job at Arizona.

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A lot of people thought it was HILARIOUS that the Rams hired a college intern as their head coach.


Well, if McVay marries his girlfriend....We should probably offer his first born son a contract when he's 12.

Ok... lame excuse to post this pic.....

Good for you Sean... good for effing YOU!!!!!

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EDIT: Just noticed this was in the same article as the pic.... So maybe that's not even his girlfriend lol.

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Mcvay, the head coach of Washington Rams was born on24th January 1986 in Dayton Ohio. He attended Brookhaven Marist High School before proceeding to Miami College. The son of Tim and Cindy Mcvay grew up in Dayton.
 
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I hate to say this out loud - being a huge Purdue fan - but I highly suspect Jeff Brohm will be talked about a lot in the next couple of years as an offensive-minded HC.

I just don't want him to leave yet.
I mentioned him in a post as a guy I liked a little while back and how I'd take him over Lincoln Riley.
 

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You have to keep swinging until you find a guy you can trust your team with. Failure again will stress the budget. That said, Wilks is probably below replacement level and is an active drain on your team. I don't think that someone like John DeFillipo would be worse.

There are fine candidates out there.

K9 do you think there are viable options in the college ranks... in other words, who do you think those guys are
 

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Well, if McVay marries his girlfriend....We should probably offer his first born son a contract when he's 12.

Ok... lame excuse to post this pic.....

Good for you Sean... good for effing YOU!!!!!

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EDIT: Just noticed this was in the same article as the pic.... So maybe that's not even his girlfriend lol.

Wiki Bio, career
Mcvay, the head coach of Washington Rams was born on24th January 1986 in Dayton Ohio. He attended Brookhaven Marist High School before proceeding to Miami College. The son of Tim and Cindy Mcvay grew up in Dayton.

It's his girlfriend. Veronika Khomyn.
 

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K9 do you think there are viable options in the college ranks... in other words, who do you think those guys are

I liked Kliff Kingsbury, but he's apparently taking a gap year in Southern California. I don't really follow college football, so it's hard to say for me. Here's what I'd be looking for generally, though:

1) Avoid coaches at name-brand schools. It's easy to recruit to Texas, Penn State, Notre Dame, and Oklahoma. Kids line up to go there, and your job is more about keeping boosters happy.

2) Look for guys who can force upsets. Talent wins in the NCAA — but sometimes it doesn't. If you find a coach who can get a big upset or two every year, or who teams hate to schedule, you might have something on your hands.

3) Don't get hung up on records. Managing the bureaucracy of a NCAA program is an important skill to learn, which is why you want experience, but the powerhouses are that way for a reason. Look for guys whose teams are competitive and clean, and you might have a good candidate.

Are Matt Campbell (IA State) or Josh Heupel (UCF) worthy candidates?
 

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I liked Kliff Kingsbury, but he's apparently taking a gap year in Southern California. I don't really follow college football, so it's hard to say for me. Here's what I'd be looking for generally, though:

1) Avoid coaches at name-brand schools. It's easy to recruit to Texas, Penn State, Notre Dame, and Oklahoma. Kids line up to go there, and your job is more about keeping boosters happy.

2) Look for guys who can force upsets. Talent wins in the NCAA — but sometimes it doesn't. If you find a coach who can get a big upset or two every year, or who teams hate to schedule, you might have something on your hands.

3) Don't get hung up on records. Managing the bureaucracy of a NCAA program is an important skill to learn, which is why you want experience, but the powerhouses are that way for a reason. Look for guys whose teams are competitive and clean, and you might have a good candidate.

Are Matt Campbell (IA State) or Josh Heupel (UCF) worthy candidates?
I heard somebody on the radio a few months back saying Matt Campbell is going to be a star HC. I know some people at OSU wanted them to talk to him prior to naming Day the HC to replace Meyer.
 

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I think my problem is that all of the people the Cardinals were linked to last offseason wasn't exactly inspiring.

Munchak? Armstrong? That LB coach from the Pats? Wilks?

And the best were ones NOT linked to the Cardinals (Reich/Nagy). I'm concerned that maybe, just maybe, Mike B has lucked into a few winning combos that worked for a time but were undone as the league caught up to them (Whis and Arians).
Schurmur hasn’t turned NYG offense around either. Schemes have to fit players, just because a coach or coordinator is successful one year or with a single team that doesn’t mean his scheme would work somewhere else unless he has the same talent skill wise. Another thing is players have to buy into the scheme. If you lose players because either they don’t like the scheme or it doesn’t fit them then you end up like the 2018 ARZ Cardinals.
 

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I'm not a Wilks fan. My concern on firing him is that there seems to be a shortage of good candidates especially with offense experience. There could also be maybe 8 HC openings so the Cards would be in competition for any real good candidates. Some on this Board will say anyone will be better than Wilks. But we don't need another crappy coach.

I strongly disagree, and I mean, you wrote yourself that you are grasping for straws. Only considering offensive-minded candidates, I can come up with several interesting options. It’s certainly possible with defensive-minded- and special teams-minded candidates as well, but that wasn’t what you asked for, so I won’t list anyone of them.

Pete Carmichael from the Saints is an interesting name, especially considering he has not gotten any request to interview for head coaching position since 2013. Why? Coming from that high-octane offense, and having learned from Sean Payton, you would think he would have plenty of interviews each year.

John DeFilippo was a very hot name with the Cardinals before hiring Wilks. Say what you want about his stint with the Vikings, but the fact remains that he called a lot of misdirection- and play action-pass, which is very trendy in todays NFL, and he has shown both in Philadelphia and Minnesota that he can work with quarterbacks. Also, sometimes the Vikings’ offense showed a very high ceiling (other times they just showed a very low floor as well). In other words, he falls into the category of young, innovative coaches like Kyle Shanahan, Matt Nagy and Sean McVay.

Matt LaFleur has learned under Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay which in itself should make him an interesting candidate. I don’t know if he can control a team and connect with a front office (things that are much, much more important than if they can call plays), but he has supposedly been well-liked in both Tennessee and with the Rams.

Eric Bieniemy is from the Andy Reid coaching tree which is easily enough to make any assistant coach highly interesting. Further, the Chiefs’ offense has been more explosive this year than under both Doug Peterson and Matt Nagy, who are now successful head coaches, and while that might be because of the players, it could also be because of Bieniemy. No-one can tell for sure, though it’s probably a little of both.

David Shaw’s name always come up, but I think he is just as exiting a head coaching candidate as he has been for years.

Lincoln Riley from Oklahoma might not have a lot of experience as a head coach, but he has been fantastic in the two years he has. His offense has been highly explosive, and even innovative. Riley is one of the most flexible play designers in the college game. Much smarter people than me has said how you can literally see elements of Riley’s offense incorporated into both the Rams’ and the Chiefs’ offense this season.

Matt Campbell has been very successful as a head coach at both Toledo and Iowa State (and I mean extremely successful). He hasn’t called plays that much, but he is known as a great leader and head coach. If hired, he might have to bring in an offensive coordinator to call plays.

Extremely longshots include quarterback coaches Mike Kafka and Zac Taylor from respectively the Chiefs and the Rams.

By the way, before anyone mentions Josh McDaniels, just think about for a while how he is a sad human being. Do you really want that in your head coach?

So, I guess my point is that, even though I don’t know a lot about most of those guys, there are, in my opinion, plenty of exciting options if they do decide they would rather have an offensive-minded head coach than Steve Wilks.
 

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I strongly disagree, and I mean, you wrote yourself that you are grasping for straws. Only considering offensive-minded candidates, I can come up with several interesting options. It’s certainly possible with defensive-minded- and special teams-minded candidates as well, but that wasn’t what you asked for, so I won’t list anyone of them.

Pete Carmichael from the Saints is an interesting name, especially considering he has not gotten any request to interview for head coaching position since 2013. Why? Coming from that high-octane offense, and having learned from Sean Payton, you would think he would have plenty of interviews each year.

John DeFilippo was a very hot name with the Cardinals before hiring Wilks. Say what you want about his stint with the Vikings, but the fact remains that he called a lot of misdirection- and play action-pass, which is very trendy in todays NFL, and he has shown both in Philadelphia and Minnesota that he can work with quarterbacks. Also, sometimes the Vikings’ offense showed a very high ceiling (other times they just showed a very low floor as well). In other words, he falls into the category of young, innovative coaches like Kyle Shanahan, Matt Nagy and Sean McVay.

Matt LaFleur has learned under Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay which in itself should make him an interesting candidate. I don’t know if he can control a team and connect with a front office (things that are much, much more important than if they can call plays), but he has supposedly been well-liked in both Tennessee and with the Rams.

Eric Bieniemy is from the Andy Reid coaching tree which is easily enough to make any assistant coach highly interesting. Further, the Chiefs’ offense has been more explosive this year than under both Doug Peterson and Matt Nagy, who are now successful head coaches, and while that might be because of the players, it could also be because of Bieniemy. No-one can tell for sure, though it’s probably a little of both.

David Shaw’s name always come up, but I think he is just as exiting a head coaching candidate as he has been for years.

Lincoln Riley from Oklahoma might not have a lot of experience as a head coach, but he has been fantastic in the two years he has. His offense has been highly explosive, and even innovative. Riley is one of the most flexible play designers in the college game. Much smarter people than me has said how you can literally see elements of Riley’s offense incorporated into both the Rams’ and the Chiefs’ offense this season.

Matt Campbell has been very successful as a head coach at both Toledo and Iowa State (and I mean extremely successful). He hasn’t called plays that much, but he is known as a great leader and head coach. If hired, he might have to bring in an offensive coordinator to call plays.

Extremely longshots include quarterback coaches Mike Kafka and Zac Taylor from respectively the Chiefs and the Rams.

By the way, before anyone mentions Josh McDaniels, just think about for a while how he is a sad human being. Do you really want that in your head coach?

So, I guess my point is that, even though I don’t know a lot about most of those guys, there are, in my opinion, plenty of exciting options if they do decide they would rather have an offensive-minded head coach than Steve Wilks.

I would look at Carmichael, LaFleur, Bienemy, and Campbell.

Carmichael has been with the Saints for awhile and is held in a very high esteem by a great head coach.

LaFleur and Bienemy have worked around great offensive minds, and each have received glowing reviews by great coaches

What Campbell has done at a perrenial doormat is phenomenal. Supposedly he is a great manager of a program, and sometimes that aspect can be overlooked.
 
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I strongly disagree, and I mean, you wrote yourself that you are grasping for straws. Only considering offensive-minded candidates, I can come up with several interesting options. It’s certainly possible with defensive-minded- and special teams-minded candidates as well, but that wasn’t what you asked for, so I won’t list anyone of them.

Pete Carmichael from the Saints is an interesting name, especially considering he has not gotten any request to interview for head coaching position since 2013. Why? Coming from that high-octane offense, and having learned from Sean Payton, you would think he would have plenty of interviews each year.

John DeFilippo was a very hot name with the Cardinals before hiring Wilks. Say what you want about his stint with the Vikings, but the fact remains that he called a lot of misdirection- and play action-pass, which is very trendy in todays NFL, and he has shown both in Philadelphia and Minnesota that he can work with quarterbacks. Also, sometimes the Vikings’ offense showed a very high ceiling (other times they just showed a very low floor as well). In other words, he falls into the category of young, innovative coaches like Kyle Shanahan, Matt Nagy and Sean McVay.

Matt LaFleur has learned under Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay which in itself should make him an interesting candidate. I don’t know if he can control a team and connect with a front office (things that are much, much more important than if they can call plays), but he has supposedly been well-liked in both Tennessee and with the Rams.

Eric Bieniemy is from the Andy Reid coaching tree which is easily enough to make any assistant coach highly interesting. Further, the Chiefs’ offense has been more explosive this year than under both Doug Peterson and Matt Nagy, who are now successful head coaches, and while that might be because of the players, it could also be because of Bieniemy. No-one can tell for sure, though it’s probably a little of both.

David Shaw’s name always come up, but I think he is just as exiting a head coaching candidate as he has been for years.

Lincoln Riley from Oklahoma might not have a lot of experience as a head coach, but he has been fantastic in the two years he has. His offense has been highly explosive, and even innovative. Riley is one of the most flexible play designers in the college game. Much smarter people than me has said how you can literally see elements of Riley’s offense incorporated into both the Rams’ and the Chiefs’ offense this season.

Matt Campbell has been very successful as a head coach at both Toledo and Iowa State (and I mean extremely successful). He hasn’t called plays that much, but he is known as a great leader and head coach. If hired, he might have to bring in an offensive coordinator to call plays.

Extremely longshots include quarterback coaches Mike Kafka and Zac Taylor from respectively the Chiefs and the Rams.

By the way, before anyone mentions Josh McDaniels, just think about for a while how he is a sad human being. Do you really want that in your head coach?

So, I guess my point is that, even though I don’t know a lot about most of those guys, there are, in my opinion, plenty of exciting options if they do decide they would rather have an offensive-minded head coach than Steve Wilks.


Gandhi,
I'm mainly considering offensive minded candidates because of the disaster Wilks has been and the need for a creative offense minded coach to help tutor Rosen. I don't think MB would go defense again.
Thanks for creating the list. There are some good possibilities. Carmichael, LaFleur and Bieniemy are interesting. I'm not sure about the college coaches, I just don't follow those programs. I do hope that MB moves quickly on Wilks. I pay good dollars for Club Seats and am not enjoying this season.
 

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Pete Carmichael, here is a link on his history with the Saints. Impressive read. Being in NO for 11 years some of Payton had to rub off on him. I would be keying on Carmichael from the get go.
This is a joke right?

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And that's DESPITE having guys like Brees, Ingram, Kamara, Thomas etc. Imagine him in Arizona with this roster :eek:
 

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Really? Like it couldn't get worse

Cards could hire a dog right now and it wouldn't be worse

Do you not get THEY ARE THE WORST TEAM IN THE ENTIRE 32 TEAM LEAGUE

....it's time for a change!
 
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Again, we are talking about a team that is HISTORICALLY BAD.

Not just bad for this year, not just bad over the last 10 years, not just bad over the last 50 years, but so bad it goes back to the beginning of football.

I think dumping one of the worst coaches in NFL history is OK and filling the spot with someone who is just bad in comparison to the current NFL is improving the situation.

Not going to worry about the national perception of the available coaches for next offseason, when Bruce Arians was the last coach picked up when he got hired, and the same for Frank Reich this year.
 
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