If Donald Trump owned this team

[football24/7]

Here are some board room decisions:

1) Fire the special teams coach
2) Fire the O line coach
3) Fire Swinton
4) Fire everyone, and I mean everyone on the Offensive line. Ross flat out sucks ass. Davis may have all the potential in the world, but it doesnt win you games. Everyone needs to go. This team sucks at running the ball period.

Forget Reggie and Matt, and Vince. If we pick up 4 guys via free agency, and add in 7 draft picks which equals 11 bodies. I WANT 7 OF THESE TO BE FOR THE O LINE AND D LINE COMBINED!!!

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

If Donald Trump owned this team, we wouldn't be the joke of the NFL.

 

[Renz]

If Big were to become a FA, he would be the best O-Lineman out there. That is just a fact. Good FA's just don't hit the market anymore.

 

[CardinalLaw]

Maybe we got to send this idea to Trump. What a great idea. He can own the football team, and on top of that he can make a reality show about it. How great would it be to see. Say after todays game, he can have a show on say wed. night. He can bring in like 5 players who sucked in the game. Ask them all who needs to be fired. They would all be like Swintown needs to be fired, he sucks, he fumbled the ball. He would make millions.

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"Reggie Your Fired."

 

[Russ Smith]

We'd be a reality show.

 

[BigRedMO]

If Donald Trump owned this team, we wouldn't be the joke of the NFL.

I agree. Blaming players and coachs is like blaming Custer's enlisted cavalrymen for the Little Big Horn.

This owner does not have the wealth to compete. Two solutions: (1) Stadium increases revenue. I dont think it is likely to make a difference because an empty stadium will not increase revenue. Once the novelity is gone there must be a competitive product on the field. I dont think the short period of increased revenue will be of sufficient duration to solve the problem. (2) Bidwill sells the team. Only way I see this happening is if NFL forces him to sell. Likely scenario I see is that as they raise the cap from season to season eventually Bidwill wont be able to afford to pay minimum amount and NFL will force him to sell.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

If Big were to become a FA, he would be the best O-Lineman out there. That is just a fact. Good FA's just don't hit the market anymore.

but big is not good. In fairness to me I was patient for 5 years. When is enough enoough?

 

[CardinalLaw]

(2) Bidwill sells the team. Only way I see this happening is if NFL forces him to sell. Likely scenario I see is that as they raise the cap from season to season eventually Bidwill wont be able to afford to pay minimum amount and NFL will force him to sell.

Can we get a petition going or something? So if we could get like a million votes, they could be forced too. There are over a million football fans in AZ, that would be drooling to see new ownership.

 

[football24/7]

I dont care if Trump owns the team or not, I am looking at player performance. Davis is a problem. He is our best lineman, which doesnt say much right now, but no way do I sign him to a huge new contract after next year. I still think he should play guard. I am so friggin frustrated with this team. I just once want to see Denny blow a gasket on the sideline, just once. One week I want to keep Denny, the next can him.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Can we get a petition going or something? So if we could get like a million votes, they could be forced too. There are over a million football fans in AZ, that would be drooling to see new ownership.

Not going to happen. The only thing we can hope for is Taglibue flying into town and telling the Bidwills to stay away from the team and just collect the checks every month. For all the rhetoric that has come out both on this board and through the media about the Cards "turning the corner" under Mike Bidwill, I still see the same incompetent management and cheap financial spending that presonified the old man.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Not going to happen. The only thing we can hope for is Taglibue flying into town and telling the Bidwills to stay away from the team and just collect the checks every month. For all the rhetoric that has come out both on this board and through the media about the Cards "turning the corner" under Mike Bidwill, I still see the same incompetent management and cheap financial spending that presonified the old man.

...and that was exaclty what I was trying to say. If old man Bidwill dies than Tags may jump in like he did when Mike Brown senior bit it in Cincy, but until then this franchise is still the most inempt in the NFL.

 

[Duckjake]

I agree. Blaming players and coachs is like blaming Custer's enlisted cavalrymen for the Little Big Horn.

This owner does not have the wealth to compete. Two solutions: (1) Stadium increases revenue. I dont think it is likely to make a difference because an empty stadium will not increase revenue. Once the novelity is gone there must be a competitive product on the field. I dont think the short period of increased revenue will be of sufficient duration to solve the problem. (2) Bidwill sells the team. Only way I see this happening is if NFL forces him to sell. Likely scenario I see is that as they raise the cap from season to season eventually Bidwill wont be able to afford to pay minimum amount and NFL will force him to sell.

I think you are two years too late with your take.

Bill Bidwill earned his nickname of Dollar Bill in St.Louis but his cheapness didn't really effect the team for decades at a time because players were tied to the team for as long as the Cardinals wanted them.

When Bill left for Arizona the game changed. With the advent of free agency players made unhappy by Cardinal contract negotiations and second class operations could leave for supposedly greener pastures. Compounded by poor coaching hires and fires the Cardinals spiraled to the bottom of the NFL. Arizona's excitement over having NFL football in the valley of the Sun soon faded to total indifference. Attendance dropped to NFL lows.

Enter Michael Bidwill. The way contracts are handled changes. Players considered to be key to the Cardinals long term success are extended without bitter contract disputes. Player personnel decisions finally begin to change, ending with the disastrous draft of Johnson and Pace.

Unfortuntately the football fans in the Valley had long lost interest in the team. As had the local media. Players used to throngs 80,000 strong or being idolized by their college town papers showed up on Sunday to throngs 25,000 strong and greated by the boos of thousands of fans of their opponents.

They read nothing but negative reports in the local paper. They play 14 road games a year. Professional or not the lack of fan support begins to wear on the players. They play for the glory and excitement of being in the NFL. There is none of that in Arizona.

The dream of an NFL career becomes a nightmare. They lose a little discipline and have no home field advantage to pick them up when a couple of bounces don't go their way and the next thing they know the team is 2-5 and the season heads down the tubes.

Welcome to Arizona where nobody knows your name, where the coaches change and players change but the outcome remains the same.

 

[BigRedMO]

I think you are two years too late with your take.

Bill Bidwill earned his nickname of Dollar Bill in St.Louis but his cheapness didn't really effect the team for decades at a time because players were tied to the team for as long as the Cardinals wanted them.

When Bill left for Arizona the game changed. With the advent of free agency players made unhappy by Cardinal contract negotiations and second class operations could leave for supposedly greener pastures. Compounded by poor coaching hires and fires the Cardinals spiraled to the bottom of the NFL. Arizona's excitement over having NFL football in the valley of the Sun soon faded to total indifference. Attendance dropped to NFL lows.

Enter Michael Bidwill. The way contracts are handled changes. Players considered to be key to the Cardinals long term success are extended without bitter contract disputes. Player personnel decisions finally begin to change, ending with the disastrous draft of Johnson and Pace.

Unfortuntately the football fans in the Valley had long lost interest in the team. As had the local media. Players used to throngs 80,000 strong or being idolized by their college town papers showed up on Sunday to throngs 25,000 strong and greated by the boos of thousands of fans of their opponents.

They read nothing but negative reports in the local paper. They play 14 road games a year. Professional or not the lack of fan support begins to wear on the players. They play for the glory and excitement of being in the NFL. There is none of that in Arizona.

The dream of an NFL career becomes a nightmare. They lose a little discipline and have no home field advantage to pick them up when a couple of bounces don't go their way and the next thing they know the team is 2-5 and the season heads down the tubes.

Welcome to Arizona where nobody knows your name, where the coaches change and players change but the outcome remains the same.

I respectfully disagree that the Bidwills have changed. The Cards enter every season with the most cap money unspent. A team cant compete if on opening day it is spending at the level of 70% of what the other teams spend. They dont race street cars against race cars for the same reason that the NFL instituted a cap. He is the only owner who cant make a profit. His franchise is the least valuable one in the NFL. The market of the people have spoken. Bidwill cant afford to compete. After 30 years of ineptitude there is ample evidene to support the idea that Bidwill cant afford to win in the NFL.

So what big bag of money did Bidwill come into since he left STL to make him change his ways? He was cheap in STL becuase he had to be. He had revenue problems there with a 54,000 seat stadium and no parking revenue.

 

[CardinalLaw]

I respectfully disagree that the Bidwills have changed. The Cards enter every season with the most cap money unspent. A team cant compete if on opening day it is spending at the level of 70% of what the other teams spend. They dont race street cars against race cars for the same reason that the NFL instituted a cap. Bidwill cant afford to compete.

That is Bidwills fault. Other owners back in his day spent everything they had on there team. But look where like the Giants or Redskins are now, and look at the Cards. The Cardinals should be the Yankees of the NFL. Longest running franchise. Its his fault he decided to suck for eternity, had he continusly won or at least won a Championship maybe every 32 years, this team would be worth twice as much, and he would have millions to spend.

 

[Evil Ash]

I respectfully disagree that the Bidwills have changed. The Cards enter every season with the most cap money unspent. A team cant compete if on opening day it is spending at the level of 70% of what the other teams spend. They dont race street cars against race cars for the same reason that the NFL instituted a cap. He is the only owner who cant make a profit. His franchise is the least valauble one in the NFL. The market of the people have spoken. Bidwill cant afford to compete.

We've over this many times with you. THEY DO SPEND THE MAJORITY OF THE CAP. Hell we weren't even that high ranked in how much money was left unspent on the salary cap this year. If we were ranked that low, The signing of Rackers extension wouldn't have basically maxed us out like it has.

Where we have been cheap is in the amount of money we give in signing bonuses.

If anyone deserves the blame for the way we've been playing it would be Dennis Green. He's been given basically full reign in terms of player personnel decisions and has ignored the greatest needs of the team when it was greatly obvious as to what they were ... running the ball and stopping the run. Even when our D was playing out of its mind last year, we still gave up 100 yard rushing games to nobodys. As for rushing the ball we all know how our Oline has been a disaster for years.

Dennis Green has said that they were following the Eagles style of cap control. There is no need to do that this offseason

 

[40yearfan]

Broken record. This team has made every effort to change it's method of doing business over the past two years, but you gentlemen convienently overlook that so you can once again follow your favorite theme of ragging on the Bidwill's.

This team is not well coached and the Cards are paying big money for coaching. Point the finger where it belongs---at the coaches.

 

[Duckjake]

I respectfully disagree that the Bidwills have changed. The Cards enter every season with the most cap money unspent. A team cant compete if on opening day it is spending at the level of 70% of what the other teams spend. They dont race street cars against race cars for the same reason that the NFL instituted a cap. He is the only owner who cant make a profit. His franchise is the least valuable one in the NFL. The market of the people have spoken. Bidwill cant afford to compete. After 30 years of ineptitude there is ample evidene to support the idea that Bidwill cant afford to win in the NFL.

So what big bag of money did Bidwill come into since he left STL to make him change his ways? He was cheap in STL becuase he had to be. He had revenue problems there with a 54,000 seat stadium and no parking revenue.

The anticipated revenues from the stadium in Glendale. They still are not spending to the cap but they are spending future earnings to tie up players they used to lose. It keeps the players happy. However that is more than offset by the lack of fan support.

The Cards could spend 150% of their cap space and I contend that they would still lose if they continued to play in front of 25,000 of their fans and 10-20,000 fans for the other team.

 

[BigRedMO]

Broken record. This team has made every effort to change it's method of doing business over the past two years, but you gentlemen convienently overlook that so you can once again follow your favorite theme of ragging on the Bidwill's.

This team is not well coached and the Cards are paying big money for coaching. Point the finger where it belongs---at the coaches.

Why is it the Cards assistant coaches are among the lowest paid in the NFL? Why is it in 30 years the Cards unlike EVERY other NFL team cant find good coaches?

 

[40yearfan]

Why is it the Cards assistant coaches are among the lowest paid in the NFL? Why is it in 30 years the Cards unlike EVERY other NFL team cant find good coaches?

Did M. Bidwill hire the coaches or did DG hire them?

 

[BigRedMO]

The anticipated revenues from the stadium in Glendale. They still are not spending to the cap but they are spending future earnings to tie up players they used to lose. It keeps the players happy. However that is more than offset by the lack of fan support.

The Cards could spend 150% of their cap space and I contend that they would still lose if they continued to play in front of 25,000 of their fans and 10-20,000 fans for the other team.

How do you spend "anticipated" revenues? Are the Bidwill's borrowing money to make payroll? I have not heard that they are. You have to have the money to spend it. This team's cash position is as bad now or worse as to what it was in STL.

 

[CardinalLaw]

Did M. Bidwill hire the coaches or did DG hire them?

[font=verdana,arial,helvetica]"Mike Bidwill DID say, in an interview after Green was hired, that there was a budget for hiring coaches and that "No, we won't pay everyone 'whatever it takes'." Then he said it would be a mix of veteran and young coaches. And, that is what we got." Maybe M. Bidwill was lying.
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[BigRedMO]

So how many years do you give Bidwill before you start to consider the possibillity the problem is him? If the NFL did not operate with a socialist model Bidwill would have been out of business years ago. If you are an employer how much time do you give to an employee to do his job right before you fire him? Do you vote to re-elect a president you dont think is doing a good job? Why are presidents and NFL owners not held accountable but the lowest level janitor is? At what point do you get tired of promises and expect results?

 

[BigRedMO]

Did M. Bidwill hire the coaches or did DG hire them?

The budget is provided by Bidwill.

 

[BigRedMO]

I have heard that a definition of insanity is to keep on doing the same thing expecting different results. That is the Cards. They trot in new coaches and new players every 4-5 years and get the same results from all of them. Why is it the Cards are the ONLY NFL team who in 30 years have not found ONE coach who can win. That tells me the problem is somewhere else.

 

[40yearfan]

So how many years do you give Bidwill before you start to consider the possibillity the problem is him? If the NFL did not operate with a socialist model Bidwill would have been out of business years ago. If you are an employer how much time do you give to an employee to do his job right before you fire him? Do you vote to re-elect a president you dont think is doing a good job? Why are presidents and NFL owners not held accountable but the lowest level janitor is? At what point do you get tired of promises and expect results?

When you are the owner, you don't have to answer to anyone. That's why people become business owners. The Cardinals are the oldest team in the NFL and have had the longest continuous ownership of any team in the NFL. You might not like Bidwill's methods or decisions, but you certainly can't fault his business approach. It's worked for him for the past 50 years.