IF the Cardinals go OL in the 1st Rd.

[WildBB]

It could be a long shot, but Say both Erving and Collins are available at our pick who would you prefer?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Erving
Flowers
Collins

 

[WildBB]

Erving
Flowers
Collins

Yeah I thought of Flowers and Clemmings, I just think Collins is superior at OT.

He could also move inside.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Erving is the only OL I would consider in round 1. All the others are OT's and the Cards are set there for the next few years, assuming they keep Massie, which is likely.

Collins can play OG but I don't want another #1 drafted OG until the original #1 drafted OG shows he cannot play.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Yeah I thought of Flowers and Clemmings, I just think Collins is superior at OT.

He could also move inside.

Flowers can move inside to, and he may be a better athlete than Collins. Collins is a bull for sure, but does he have the quickness for Arians' system.

But in reality, we are splitting hairs.

Anyone of the three would be useful to the Cardinals in one way or another.

 

[WildBB]

Erving is the only OL I would consider in round 1. All the others are OT's and the Cards are set there for the next few years, assuming they keep Massie, which is likely.

Collins can play OG but I don't want another #1 drafted OG until the original #1 drafted OG shows he cannot play.

Collins gives the Cardinals options. Especially if either tackle goes down. If that happens I think that we'd be in a world of hurt. You can't expose Palmer.

 

[WildBB]

Flowers can move inside to, and he may be a better athlete than Collins. Collins is a bull for sure, but does he have the quickness for Arians' system.

But in reality, we are splitting hairs.

Anyone of the three would be useful to the Cardinals in one way or another.

Agree.

 

[kerouac9]

Erving is the only OL I would consider in round 1. All the others are OT's and the Cards are set there for the next few years, assuming they keep Massie, which is likely.

Collins can play OG but I don't want another #1 drafted OG until the original #1 drafted OG shows he cannot play.

We would've said this a year ago about Dan Williams, and we see how that's ended up.

The other thing with Massie is that the Cards may not have much to spend on mid-level free agents.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

I am not ready to give up on Cooper yet. The only line spot that I think should be addressed is center or a center/guard type player. Which from what I have read is Cam Erving. I would not be happy with any OT or Guard specific players. We already drafted one first round guard and spent big money on another FA guard.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

We would've said this a year ago about Dan Williams, and we see how that's ended up.

The other thing with Massie is that the Cards may not have much to spend on mid-level free agents.

I also agree with this. I think we would have been best served proactively re-signing Williams prior to him hitting free agency. The same could be said about Massie

 

[splitsecond]

Erving is the best bet. Plus he is already used to blocking for a lead footed QB so that's helpful.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

We would've said this a year ago about Dan Williams, and we see how that's ended up.

The other thing with Massie is that the Cards may not have much to spend on mid-level free agents.

The difference is will likely pay more to keep their starting RT that, if all goes well, will play 95% plus of the snaps while they didn't see the value in Williams being only a 30% player.

I think they should have kept Dan, but Massie will be a higher priority. But, I agree, they will be running the risk that he plays at a high level and gets paid but he's still a RT only and likely won't break the bank.

 

[Chopper0080]

TJ Clemmings - OT - Pitt is going to be a 10 year player in the NFL. I know that. Erving looks like he could be the same at C. That being said, average linemen tend to hang around the league which is wy they are good investments.

 

[kerouac9]

The difference is will likely pay more to keep their starting RT that, if all goes well, will play 95% plus of the snaps while they didn't see the value in Williams being only a 30% player.

I think they should have kept Dan, but Massie will be a higher priority. But, I agree, they will be running the risk that he plays at a high level and gets paid but he's still a RT only and likely won't break the bank.

Every timet you keep posting that, the percentage seems to get lower. Funny that. Williams played 40-45% of snaps at a near ProBowl level. Massie plays 100% of snaps at an adequate starter level.

Seems about the Same to me; I don't see this team having the budget for a $3M per year lineman who's just okay.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Every timet you keep posting that, the percentage seems to get lower. Funny that. Williams played 40-45% of snaps at a near ProBowl level. Massie plays 100% of snaps at an adequate starter level.

Seems about the Same to me; I don't see this team having the budget for a $3M per year lineman who's just okay.

You have me confused with someone else because I have hardly ever used snap count against Williams. In fact, I've said snap count should be disregarded when judging a NT's value. I used the 30% remark because I think Urban referred to it in his chat.

 

[D-Dogg]

Quality long term answer at center? Yes please. Never was a big proponent of Lyle's game.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

We should just not draft O-line period, that...and QB's should be left to another organization.. We'll just pick them up as FA's.

 

[Harry]

To me Erving is one of the best stories in the draft. Had he stayed at LT I think he would have been a top 15 pick. He only was moved to C because FSU had their top 2 Cs injured. Erving played all 5 line slots at some point and consistantly graded very high. He could certainly play RT if needed. At C he would give the Cards the potential to have a great line instead of a good one. Don't be surprised if he's gone before 24, as I know a couple of scouts that love him.

 

[Stout]

I'm starting to think Erving's the player I want us to take in the 1st round.

 

[iRobot]

Good look at Erving at LT vs Eli Harold..

https://youtu.be/GqrzLWOBRqM

And at center vs Miami..

https://youtu.be/8KALpFzVjkg

 

[WildBB]

Other than that fortuitous INT, Harold didn't put that much pressure on Winston.

Erving did a nice job.

 

[Quagmire]

Don't like what I see from those tapes. Decent pass protection when he block somebody, but frequently beat on running plays. Take a true OT that falls in the first round and then team captain C in the 3rd.

That Miami tape showed more for ILB Perryman than Erving. Would love to trade back in the 1st (like last year) to pick up another 3rd for Perryman. He may be undersized, but he always seems to be around the ball.

1st: trade back for OT
2nd: CB or DT
3rd: ILB
3rd: C
4th: CB or DT

 

[Mitch]

This is proof that Erving is the better player than Harold---it's not even close.

 

[D-Dogg]

We don't need OT.

 

[kerouac9]

We don't need OT.

Maybe not this year, but you shouldn't be drafting in the first round for current need. In 2016 Massie is going to be a free agent. We might need an OT then.