If We Are Forced to Trade Q

[cardsfanmd]

I'm torn between a new deal for Q, and a trade.

On the one hand, don't want to mess with an element that got us to the SB, on the other, see in a trade the possibility of meeting a few important needs.

One thing, however, that I believe is clearly overblown by fans is the so-called "team morale" issue.

The players compartmentalize business and play.

Every guy who suits up knows the unspoken rules:

You don't talk about another guys money
You don't talk contract in the dressing room

I could not have said this any better, but my thoughts exactly.

 

[anks106]

Welker and Boldin not a huge difference.....you have lost any credibility!!!

On the field there is a major difference. Total value I don't know. Given age, given injury histories, given perception across the league, given Agent (and that is a big factor), I'd say Welker is approaching Boldins value.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

everyone agrees Boldin is a great player and a big part of the team. My point is that his value is probably at an all time high and, while a great player, the team went something like 5-1 without him and the offense didn't miss a beat. We all know he's not playing,at least happily, for the Cards at his current contract. He may or may not become a distraction. I think the team can improve itself greatly if they can get a nice trade package in return. It's nothing against Boldin.It's making the overall team better,imo.

When you think about it,it's really a win-win situation for the Cardinals.They either re-sign Boldin and the offense returns intact or they trade him and improve the other areas of the team while maintaining a high-powered offense.

 

[conraddobler]

I think you can make this whole mess crystalize relatively easily.

The way to do it is very simple, you figure out your team needs, you budget what you can give Q until it hurts but dosen't preclude the other things you need to do and then you build and offer with as much juice as you can put in there and say to Q this is what we can do, we can't do more without hurting the team, this is your home Q this is where you should retire, this is where you're loved and where you fit.

We realize you can probably get more and we don't think any less of you if you won't take the deal but this is our BEST offer, no bull we didn't come light we came with what we can, let us know.

That's how you do the Q deal.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

On the field there is a major difference. Total value I don't know. Given age, given injury histories, given perception across the league, given Agent (and that is a big factor), I'd say Welker is approaching Boldins value.

Of whom do you speak?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I think you can make this whole mess crystalize relatively easily.

The way to do it is very simple, you figure out your team needs, you budget what you can give Q until it hurts but dosen't preclude the other things you need to do and then you build and offer with as much juice as you can put in there and say to Q this is what we can do, we can't do more without hurting the team, this is your home Q this is where you should retire, this is where you're loved and where you fit.

We realize you can probably get more and we don't think any less of you if you won't take the deal but this is our BEST offer, no bull we didn't come light we came with what we can, let us know.

That's how you do the Q deal.

 

[nashman]

^+1

 

[ActingWild]

Agree with ya CD. Hopefully we'll approach it that way....and hopefully Boldin understands that adding some players may take some money from what we can offer (Suggs) but it will greatly increase our chances of winning the Super Bowl.

I think that given Q's attitude and desire to win, making the big game and then losing may very well motivate him to make some exceptions to stay here. After all, we now give him the best chance for him to get back to the big game.

(Also, if there are any tensions between Quan and Haley, if Haley take the KC job that may be an added incentive.)

 

[CardLogic]

I think you can make this whole mess crystalize relatively easily.

The way to do it is very simple, you figure out your team needs, you budget what you can give Q until it hurts but dosen't preclude the other things you need to do and then you build and offer with as much juice as you can put in there and say to Q this is what we can do, we can't do more without hurting the team, this is your home Q this is where you should retire, this is where you're loved and where you fit.

We realize you can probably get more and we don't think any less of you if you won't take the deal but this is our BEST offer, no bull we didn't come light we came with what we can, let us know.

That's how you do the Q deal.

That's it. I was thinking along the same lines. Don't give an "initial offer", make the first and final offer!

If the Cardinals attempt to negotiate; i.e. - start low, work to the middle; it will blow up in their face and the wasted time will cause them to miss out on other opportunities, trades, FA's, etc.

 

[anks106]

Of whom do you speak?

I was talking about Welker. He was voted to the all pro 2nd team and has gotten a reputation as a guy who catches everything (not the hardest when your average catch is less than 4 yards from the LoS). Deserved or not his reputation is high.

Boldin's reputation IMO is of the ultimate teammate and the offensive Ray Lewis of the league. His toughness is unparalleled and while upset about his contract, he didn't let that affect him on the field.

Do I think Boldin is vastly superior to Wes Welker? No question. In fact, maybe I was wrong to use Welker as an example.

I used him as he is a slot receiver with excellent skills viewed as an all pro. I guess the real question is, who would you consider Boldins equal?

Would you trade the haul I posted for that player?

 

[conraddobler]

That's it. I was thinking along the same lines. Don't give an "initial offer", make the first and final offer!

If the Cardinals attempt to negotiate; i.e. - start low, work to the middle; it will blow up in their face and the wasted time will cause them to miss out on other opportunities, trades, FA's, etc.

Q is an honorable guy, his agent is not we're only going to get a slim chance at this not going goofy on us IMO.

Q's thoughts and loyalty are about all we're going to have going for us, Drew is going to be filling his head with huge numbers there is no way we can match and so I think it's the least painfull, most honest option with the best chances of success.

 

[anks106]

Q is an honorable guy, his agent is not we're only going to get a slim chance at this not going goofy on us IMO.

Q's thoughts and loyalty are about all we're going to have going for us, Drew is going to be filling his head with huge numbers there is no way we can match and so I think it's the least painfull, most honest option with the best chances of success.

I think another thing we have going against us is Q went around Rosenhaus to sign his last deal and is now unhappy with it so he will not be making that mistake (from his perspective) again. Any deal will need to go through Rosenhaus.. although it is his decision in the end.

 

[TucsonDevil]

I think another thing we have going against us is Q went around Rosenhaus to sign his last deal and is now unhappy with it so he will not be making that mistake (from his perspective) again. Any deal will need to go through Rosenhaus.. although it is his decision in the end.

Rosenhaus is an enema... a pain in the A$$, but so effective for its purpose.

 

[anks106]

Rosenhaus is an enema... a pain in the A$$, but so effective for its purpose.

lol, could not have said it better myself

 

[conraddobler]

I think another thing we have going against us is Q went around Rosenhaus to sign his last deal and is now unhappy with it so he will not be making that mistake (from his perspective) again. Any deal will need to go through Rosenhaus.. although it is his decision in the end.

That's not really a problem, before you fax the offer call Q and tell him how you came up with it and why.

No details need be talked about just explain yourself and hope it stands up to the onslaught Drew's going to be yammering about.

The real problem IMO is that Q is buying what his agent is selling, and all Drew cares about is the money, and there's almost no chance our offer is going to be the biggest one on the table so there you go.

 

[nashman]

It doesn't have to be the biggest on the table IMO, the Cards will be doing HIM a FAVOR by redoing his deal, they could just tell him play for what your under contract for or sit we will not be held hostage by a player and agent period! This IMO should be the way they do it like CD said here is what we can do if you don't like it we can either explore a trade that WE are happy with or you play or sit out your existing deal.

 

[conraddobler]

It doesn't have to be the biggest on the table IMO, the Cards will be doing HIM a FAVOR by redoing his deal, they could just tell him play for what your under contract for or sit we will not be held hostage by a player and agent period! This IMO should be the way they do it like CD said here is what we can do if you don't like it we can either explore a trade that WE are happy with or you play or sit out your existing deal.

It's true we have some great leverage really but it's also true that Drew wrote the book on how to get out of that box.

The level of goofiness that will ensue if we actually take the sit or play the deal out route is going to be a royal pain in the ass.

 

[nashman]

Let him be a pain in the ass just make sure he knows its going to cost his ass a whole LOT of money if he gets too stupid. Who's gonna wanna sign him if he turns this into a freakin circus and becomes a cancer? The best thing for him to do would be get a new agent NOW and not let it become too much of a circus. Hopefully he will take the time to think about how much his agent can HURT his career rather than help. I understand he is underpaid and deserves more but don't try to bend the Cards over because you refused to work on an extension last year when they said they could do it, you took your chance and waited and you paid for it. The front office cannot cave and give him a ridiculous contract or trade him because Drew says so, its like people forget he is under contract or something, we hold the power in the situation no matter what they believe.

 

[DeAnna]

The Giants seem to think they'll get him:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/117136-why-reese-will-make-a-boldin-move

Fast-forward to Monday, Feb. 2. The Super Bowl is over and the moves start. I don't know if it will cost a first-round pick or a first and a second, but Reese will get Anquan Boldin. He knows what the Giants need to make a run again and he won't let the opportunity slip by. Write it down today. Thursday, Jan. 29. Boldin will be wearing Giant blue opening day.

 

[Zeno]

I am sick with the thought of having to read quotes by Drew Rosenscum during this offseason until something gets done with Boldin.

I vote to keep Boldin, only way we should trade him is if someone blows us away with an offer, similar to the one Dallas gave for Williams. If he did leave I'd sure prefer it be to the AFC though.

 

[anks106]

Let him be a pain in the ass just make sure he knows its going to cost his ass a whole LOT of money if he gets too stupid. Who's gonna wanna sign him if he turns this into a freakin circus and becomes a cancer? The best thing for him to do would be get a new agent NOW and not let it become too much of a circus. Hopefully he will take the time to think about how much his agent can HURT his career rather than help. I understand he is underpaid and deserves more but don't try to bend the Cards over because you refused to work on an extension last year when they said they could do it, you took your chance and waited and you paid for it. The front office cannot cave and give him a ridiculous contract or trade him because Drew says so, its like people forget he is under contract or something, we hold the power in the situation no matter what they believe.

Yes, because no one signed TO after he was situps in his driveway. No one signed Jerry "91%" Porter. No one traded for Randy Moss. Antonio Bryant is a free agent. Teams will take a chance on a player with talent and a bad attitude/agent in hopes that things will be different for them. Particularly a WR. He would have not problem finding a job.