If we are going to trade Amare then I want to get Kobe back...

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Okay before you all go crazy I read an article in the LA Times by Bill PLaschke saying the time is to let Kobe go due to the fact that it is now impossible to trade Odom or Kwame (due to shoulder and knee suregeries respectively) making any type of make over impossible. And i realize that Kobe is the most enertaining player in the league in the enertainment capital. BUT - if he continues to throw the current GM under the bus and continues to rails against the Lakers who is going to make a better offer than this?

Lakers get:
Amare
Barbosa
Unprotected 2008 ATL pick

Suns get:
Kobe

I know I know - Kobe to a division rival? Never happen. But who else can offer a first team NBA'er, the reining sixth man of the year and a most leikely top ten pick in return for the guy. Should they be serious about trading him it gives them a pretty formidable team.

Farmar
Barbosa
Odom
STAT
Bynum

Suns:

Nash
Kobe
Marion
Diaw
Thomas

plus we have #24 and #29 to fill out the roster with depth on the cheap. Take away the Bryant hating bias that many of you have. Nash and Kobe would be the all time greatest back court and while it leaves us woefully thin up front - Im thinking the back court just might make up for it...

Just food for thought.....
 

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expect to be flamed in 5...4...3...2...
 

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Kobe is nice but he is not worth Amare, Barbosa and an unprotected pick in 2008 from a team that has been in the top 7 in the lottery for like a decade in a row.
 

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Key word being if. If for whatever reason Amare has to be traded then the only two players on the block (and whether these two are actually on the trading block is up in the air) I'd be okay with is Kobe and Garnett.
 
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You want to give Amare, Barbosa, and a #1 for Kobe? I'm sure LA would jump at the trade, and Kupcake would be the GM of the year.
 

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As long as Joe Johnson is healthy next year Atlanta is going to make the playoffs. Throwing in the traffic doesn't bother me at all. I'm not sure which big men are available in free agency, but they would have to use the mid-level to get some help up front.

With Kobe Bryant, Bell could be your sixth man and a darn good one.

I have trouble believing it could happen, but I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to it.

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I don't think that I would trade Amare for Kobe straight up, let alone throwing in Barbosa and a 1st.
 

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Plaschke is a moron. He is also clueless. That article he wrote is pointless.
 

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Plaschke is a moron. He is also clueless. That article he wrote is pointless.

hmm, bucher this morning on cowherd's show basically said that kobe confirmed bucher's original report and told him it was accurate. local LA radio stations are saying that kobe's talking outta both sides of his mouth, forcing a trade, but doesn't want to be hated for it.

this is a lovely mess for the lakers. for once i am happy to live in lakers country. it's fun!
 

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I love fantasy trades and all, but who's gonna play inside if you trade Amare for Bryant ? You REALLY want to see Kurt Thomas playing 35 minutes a game for the whole season?
 

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Suns have to get BIGGER not smaller.

Kobe will not help defend Duncan.

Amare's going nowhere.

The entire team needs to be kept in tact and give another run at it.

Amare played EVERY game this season. He's got the desire.

If they did that they'd need to trade Amare for Kobe and send Atlanta's number one to Miami for Shaq.

Then you'd have

Nash
Kobe
Shaq
Marion
anyone

...just a topic for fun....
 

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*shudders*

IF we were to get Kobe, I would only want to deal Nash and Marion for him. Nash and Kobe wouldn't work together well, so what's teh point of keeping Nash? But, why would we even want to trade one of the best character guys in the NBA for a rapist? I wouldn't want that....
 

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hmm, bucher this morning on cowherd's show basically said that kobe confirmed bucher's original report and told him it was accurate. local LA radio stations are saying that kobe's talking outta both sides of his mouth, forcing a trade, but doesn't want to be hated for it.

this is a lovely mess for the lakers. for once i am happy to live in lakers country. it's fun!

Even *if* that is the case, Plaschke's article is still incredibly bad. I read it last night and laughed out loud at parts. He lives in a fairy tale.

BTW, from what I'm reading and hearing, Bucher's paraphrase was accurate, but the reports of Kobe saying West or trade me are not. His paraphrase was basically "if the organization wants to wait on Farmar and Bynum to develop (however many years that is), then they might as well trade me"...which I can see Kobe saying, but it isn't a get west or trade me ultimatum.

And bottom line, Kobe wouldn't be traded anyway...at least not this year.

Plus, you should read the Register, not the Times. The OC Register is the better paper anyway.
 
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I love fantasy trades and all, but who's gonna play inside if you trade Amare for Bryant ? You REALLY want to see Kurt Thomas playing 35 minutes a game for the whole season?

Remember - Diaw is a MUCH more effective player with offense not being run for Amare. I would imagine (hope) he becomes the offensive force from 2006. playoffs we all were in love with.

On a side note I saw Amare at a a club called Stingarees in San Diego this weekend. He was kind of strolling the club on his own and over all being kind of aloof. I love Amare but i see where people see him operating on his own M.O. We know he likes the SoCal area and Phil would have a post option for his beloved triangle.

I am starting to believe the Suns think they are better off without Amare (and its D'Antoni's ego thats the impetus behind this) and they are going to shed salary one way or another this offseason OR make a big splash. I will be distraught should they trade the one franchise big man they have but if it nets a Kobe Bryant....
 

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Ouch!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-kobe052907&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

The Logo's livid with Kobe
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
May 29, 2007

Sooner or later, Kobe Bryant turns on everyone in his life. Professional, personal, it's never mattered to him. He can be calculated and merciless this way. When he wants something, it seems everyone's disposable.

So, it is little surprise to discover that, through a source who has spoken with Jerry West, that the Logo is downright livid with Bryant for demanding West's return to the Los Angeles Lakers at the expense of his protégé, Mitch Kupchak.

Maybe there was a chance that West could've come back with the Lakers, but Bryant's self-absorbed and self-destructive crusade to crush Kupchak over Memorial Day weekend has made it far less likely.

Yes, West and Bryant have always shared the bond of cutthroat competitiveness, DNA that demands greatness of themselves and those surrounding them. For both, it has been a blessing and a curse, but it's an undeniable thread that runs through them.

Yet, here's the difference: West is legendarily loyal.

Once West's contract expires with the Grizzlies after the NBA draft, perhaps there had been a possibility that he could return to the Lakers as a consultant. Nothing has been discussed with owner Jerry Buss, the source said, and West issued a statement on Monday night insisting that he would never, ever do anything that would undermine Kupchak.

"Kobe has to turn on everyone at some point, cut people and ties in almost every relationship in his life," a former Bryant associate said Monday. "He turns on people because he believes he's not getting what he deserves. He has a one-track mind that thinks the world revolves around him and doesn't take a second to consider the costs, or what's the best way to handle something.

"This is the same stuff he did with (Shaquille O'Neal). He would leak the story, instigate it and then not understand why it never worked. Shaq is still more beloved than Kobe, and he will always be in L.A. People have seen this all before with Kobe. This never turns out right for him."


Bryant has stayed true to character in this embarrassing episode, going back and forth on his demands over the weekend. First, he ripped Kupchak, insisting that he had been, more or less, incompetent on the job. Then he told ESPN the Magazine that, unless West was brought back to run the Lakers, he wanted a trade. Once that got out, Bryant must have understood he had far overplayed his hand, done devastating damage to the mythical rehabilitation of his image.

He knew he had gone too far. He should've apologized and acknowledged he was out of line talking this way.

Only, he denied saying it, despite the fact that the writer has been a long-time confidant. Typical Kobe, selling out someone else.

"I'm not demanding anything," Bryant told the Riverside Press-Enterprise just after he had spent the weekend demanding everything.

"I'm not trying to throw Mitch under the bus, or (Lakers VP) Jim (Buss) under the bus," he told the Orange County Register just after he just spent the weekend doing just that.

For now, Kupchak loses leverage with his peers while trying to work trades this summer. This isn't the first time Bryant has created this kind of chaos for the franchise. As one NBA executive said Monday: "That made it harder for Mitch to get fair market value for Shaq. Everybody knew that Kobe's conditions to re-sign made it impossible for Shaq to stay, and Mitch had to take the Miami offer, which was the best on the table. Kobe needs to look in the mirror on that one."

Here's something else, too. Kobe thinks everyone in the NBA wants to play with him, and it isn't true. He was complaining that the Lakers could've had his buddy, Carlos Boozer, a year ago, but the Jazz were never going to trade him for Lamar Odom. Yes, there are players who'll take a trade to the Lakers, but make no mistake: It isn’t because they're enamored with the idea of hanging with Kobe.

It isn't just that Kobe doesn't have friends in his own locker room, but elsewhere too. One associate remembers a party for Bryant's daughter several years ago, when he looked around and saw no one but people who worked for Kobe. "No friends, no teammates – just agents, a barber, P.R. people … Everyone there was on the payroll."

Maybe Kupchak hasn't done the best job in the world in these three years post-Shaq (the Caron Butler-Kwame Brown trade crushed the Lakers), but he made sure that private jet flew Kobe back and forth to his rape hearings in Colorado. He made sure the organization supported him unconditionally during that humiliating time for the franchise. His reward? Kobe opted out of his contract, threatened to leave for the Clippers and declared that he wanted a basketball career free of Shaq to indulge his own shooting and scoring desires.

"Now, Kobe would go to the public with his stuff on Shaq, and he would never win," the ex-associate said. "He'd instigate, like he did with Kupchak, and he always comes out looking the same way."

Of course, that's selfish and short-sighted. Bryant wanted to show the world who runs the Lakers again, and that's wonderful and all, except that he's made it harder for the Lakers to get better this summer. Three years ago, he chased out Shaq and Phil Jackson and was granted his wish for a franchise that was all about indulging him.

So sure, West drafted Bryant into the NBA, delivered him O'Neal at center and constructed a three-time champion. What's more, the game's greatest G.M. wisely got out of Los Angeles before Kobe crushed him under his thumb, before West could be a target for Bryant.

He's a smart man to stay away for good because he understands the inevitable here: Sooner or later, Kobe Bryant turns on everyone.
 
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*shudders*

IF we were to get Kobe, I would only want to deal Nash and Marion for him. Nash and Kobe wouldn't work together well, so what's teh point of keeping Nash? But, why would we even want to trade one of the best character guys in the NBA for a rapist? I wouldn't want that....

Get off the high horse. KB was let off for being a rapist and has been a model citizen in the eyes of the law since.

ANd i completly disagree with the ascertation he and Nash wouldn't be effective together. Are you kidding me? Kobe might score 40 a game with Nash creating for him PLUS his ability to create his own shot would be the one thing that would compensate for having a legit big guy to go to at he end of games.

We would obviously need to get a couple post guys should the Suns do this but if Sarver wants to market his team there is no one better to do it with then Bryant AND Nash.
 

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Why is it that everytime Kobe's mentioned on the board, the 'rapist' comment surfaces. It's somewhat funny when it's in the smack forum, but here I just find it annoying. Just my $.02
 
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Remember - Diaw is a MUCH more effective player with offense not being run for Amare. I would imagine (hope) he becomes the offensive force from 2006. playoffs we all were in love with.

On a side note I saw Amare at a a club called Stingarees in San Diego this weekend. He was kind of strolling the club on his own and over all being kind of aloof. I love Amare but i see where people see him operating on his own M.O. We know he likes the SoCal area and Phil would have a post option for his beloved triangle.

I am starting to believe the Suns think they are better off without Amare (and its D'Antoni's ego thats the impetus behind this) and they are going to shed salary one way or another this offseason OR make a big splash. I will be distraught should they trade the one franchise big man they have but if it nets a Kobe Bryant....
Don't misunderstand me : I tend to agree with you about Diaw (after all I'm one of the last guys here who still believes in him... what a difference a year makes...).

My problem with your trade proposal is that you would give away our main frontcourt player, without gaining the cap space required to somehow replace him with a somewhat decent player. And we're already deadly thin inside as the Spurs series have shown.

If you were able to guarantee me that Sarver would give the MLE to a decent/good big man, I'd love the trade. Unfortunately, you can't.
 

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Why not Marion, Barbosa, + ATL pick? Would LA even consider it?

Nash
Kobe
Bell
Diaw
Amare

You'd definitely have to fill out the bench. And it still doesn't solve the cap issues. This is a fantasy trade anyways. Kobe will be a Laker next year.
 
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Can we, for the love of God, stop this trade Amare crap?????

And Kobe is not coming here...

Even your fantasies need to make some sense.
 

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