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Agree. Jackson was selected in the 2nd round. Vikings think he is their qb of the future. They will not be looking for a qb in the draft.
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Agree. Jackson was selected in the 2nd round. Vikings think he is their qb of the future. They will not be looking for a qb in the draft.
devilfan02
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Then what should we with all that money tied up in Edge and JJ? Throw in #1 pick money with Peterson and their hands are tied. We are going to have to fix this line with the help of the draft and a LT in the first round is a must (IMO). RB's are plug-ins in this league, the OL is what matters THE MOST. Look at the Broncos, they churn out RB after RB and trade them away for draft picks are guys named Champ Bailey. Why can they do that? Because they have the best OL in the league year after year.
We need to fix this OL badly and drafting a RB in the 1st round is extremely stupid
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If we have the number 1 pick I would only trade down a couple of spots and pick OT Joe Thomas. The man is a beast who would show us what BIG should have been. He is a much better prospect than Gallery was and is comparable to D'Brick except not as athletic, only meaner and stronger.
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Exactly. Lets just hope someone is there to trade with (in the 1st 5 picks).
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DieHardFromMO
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Drafting the next Robert Gallery is what would be stupid. I don't believe in drafting based upon need. An Adrian Peterson doesn't come along very often and I would not pass him up just to draft for need. I would address the OL needs through drafting in rounds 2 and below and via free agency and/or trade. Our compilation of personnel at OL is not as bad as portrayed, they just don't have the right people in at the proper positions. They are getting closer by having Lutui starting at Guard now but still got more juggling to do.
As for Edge/JJ I would have no problem with trading Edge for draft picks to invest in offensive linemen in the draft and keeping JJ as a back-up to Peterson.
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Our argument is done if you think personnel on the OL are not that bad. It becomes more and more evident that the Bidwills are gonna let LD walk which leaves us in a huge hole. Deuce isn't ready yet but has potential. If Big does leave, we'll need a LT, RT, C, and RT.
Trading away Edge at this point is insane. His value is as low as it can get and IT'S NOT EVEN HIS FAULT FOR HIS POOR NUMBERS.
Please justify why any OL we would take in the first round is the next Robert Gallery? just because there very well could be a LT that is top-5 worthy he's deemed the next Robert Gallery? Is that what you said about D'Brick last year?
Our skill positions are set, we shouldn't tamper with them. If there is a team in the top-5 that would trade us their 1st and 2nd this year (giving us 3 picks in the 1st 60), maybe even their 1st next year, you have to do it. We could quickly rebuild our OL in what is a good OL draft
Trading away Edge at this point is insane. His value is as low as it can get and IT'S NOT EVEN HIS FAULT FOR HIS POOR NUMBERS.
Please justify why any OL we would take in the first round is the next Robert Gallery? just because there very well could be a LT that is top-5 worthy he's deemed the next Robert Gallery? Is that what you said about D'Brick last year?
Our skill positions are set, we shouldn't tamper with them. If there is a team in the top-5 that would trade us their 1st and 2nd this year (giving us 3 picks in the 1st 60), maybe even their 1st next year, you have to do it. We could quickly rebuild our OL in what is a good OL draft
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I want to see us go CB in the 1st round and move Rolle to FS. Hall is the top guy in this year's class. The more I watch Rolle, the more I dislike him as a CB. I love Landry, but I'm just so set on Rolle being a FS that I would be hesitant to pick Landry even though he may be the best defender in this year's draft. For OT, I like Thomas (who doesn't though?) and Long, who can probaly play 3+ spots on the line if needed, the thing I like the most about the two is that they are very athletic and strong not just fat like our guys.
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You mean fat and slow like our LT? After Davis walks this offseason, it's gonna be tough to pass on Thomas or someone like him in the 1st round
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I see your point, and it very much so has merit and I would tend to agree with it.
But I do have some contentions, JJ was a 2nd rounder and makes chump change.
I also dont feel you need 1st round OL to build your OL with. Just take a look at the rookies across the league that are having some pretty good success this year and the ones that had success last year going into this year. For the most part they are all late 1st picks or lower round picks.
Also becuase you do spend so much money for what is looking to be a #1-#3 pick you cannot draft a bust at that fee. You cannot get a miss in the top 3, at their contract amounts they have to be a hit. When you draft for need at those spots it raises the likely hood of that happening 10 fold. Which is why I would tend to lean towards the cant miss prospect rather then the need player who isnt as much of a cant miss.
Now I am not saying that Thomas or Gaither cant be one of those more "cant miss" guys like I think Peterson is, I just have a philosophy difference.
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BigDavis75
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I don't know what is wrong with LD this season, it may be the new scheme or it may be lack of motivation but he isn't performing as well as he did last season.
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I agree with most your points and it may be too early to speculate on the top-3. Peterson is hurt and who knows what can transpire throughout the rest of the season. ALso, Joe Thomas could very well be a top-3 worthy pick. Even though LT is a major need for us, drafting Joe Thomas if we are picking in the top 3 is not bad at all.
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Calvin Johnson from GTech. They may not give up their #2 this year but a flop of #1's this year, a #1 next year and Darrion Scott is not unrealistic to move up from the mid teens to top 3.Plus , who really knows, they may want Quinn. Tavarius Jackson has alot of question marks and all coaches love their draft picks in the pre-season. They may think differently now. Oakland really like Andrew Walter last year.
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And Oakland really likes Andrew Walter this year, as far as I can tell. And I'd bet that Minnesota will way another season for Troy Williamson to develop. After all that guy was a #6 overall pick, I think.
Also, remember that the Vikes' coach is a guy who worked with Andy Reid and understands that it's less important that you have a stud WR than it is that you have a great running game and stout lines on both sides of the ball. I don't think you get that by trading away your good linemen.
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Maybe Dan Snyder will lose his mind and offer us his number one pick and Sean Taylor for the chance at snagging Brady Quinn. I know they have the Auburn kid but this is the Redskins we are talking about. I wonder if the Jets or Giants will make a strong push for Peterson?
The last thing we need is another safety, IMO.
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Washington would still have to pick in the top 6 or 7 for me to pull the trigger though. Are they high on Campbell still? They did move up to get him.
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Washington would still have to pick in the top 6 or 7 for me to pull the trigger though. Are they high on Campbell still? They did move up to get him.
I don't know. I think I'd take Taylor and a 8-12 overall for the #1 overall pick. Taylor's that good, and you can still get a tackle that's going to be good. I'd probably ask for a third as well.
Taylor's going to go to 6 or 8 straight Pro Bowls. Him and Adrian Wilson would be a dominating safety pair.
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Agreed but would Washington even consider trading him, has his personal fouls issue gotten that bad that they would trade him for a pick?
taylor and Wilson together would be scary, but frankly I think Rolle and Wilson together at S would be pretty good too. Gotta get a CB.
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I cant, unless they consider Portis washed up, and want to grab Peterson. I still think that they like Campbell as their QBoF.
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I'd guess that Sean Taylor is not only faster than Antrel, but has better hands and instincts, as well. Maybe Rolle would be good as a free safety, but his ball awareness just stinks and while he's a great effort guy, I think that his reputation as a hard-hitter is a little underdeserved.
That said, I don't think there's any way that Washington would let go of Taylor. He's a cornerstone for that defense. What is interesting is that PFW is saying that because of the decline of Washington's defense this season, Gregg Williams probably isn't going to be the new Redskins' HC. I'd love to have him here. It's not Williams's fault that he got saddled with Adam Archuleta, but Shawn Springs's resurgance there has been nothing short of amazing.
Sure, but when you're dying of thirst you don't go asking for crackers--even if they're Ritz crackers.
My point is that we have so many other needs, why would we go seek out a safety when that's arguably the deepest position on the team?
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Probably not even debatable, he definitely PLAYS faster than Rolle.
He was the dominant player on that defense not Rolle but of course he was a year ahead of him. Interesting thing I didn't realize, Sean Taylor is a full year YOUNGER than Rolle! Rolle is 24, Taylor 23, interesting given Taylor was a year ahead of him in college.
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First, I think that saying that it's the "deepest position on the team" is a bit of an overstatement considering that we have a starting FS that's in his fifties with an overperforming undrafted free agent behind him and Adrian Wilson--a Pro Bowler--at SS and no one of note behind him.
I like Francisco as a nickel safety, but I don't know that he can be depended upon to be an every-down player (his mental lapses on Special Teams have been troubling to me and they happen every week), and I'm always worried when a team depends on someone developing to get by.
On the other hand, this team lacks an identity right now, and with Sean Taylor and Adrian Wilson, they're suddenly a team with a fast, physical defense up the middle that no one's going to want to run on or make passing routes over the middle of the field.
I don't think this team is good enough to pass on Top 3 positional talent. I don't think that any team is. All of this is academic, though, because there's zero chance of Washington giving him up.
That all said, I'd say that OG is the deepest position on the team, with Oliver Ross, Deuce Lutui, Milford Brown, Reggie Wells, Nick Leckey, and Leonard Davis all able to contribute. The problem is that we don't have any tackles.
