im sorry cards fans, but the NFL is a business

[Feeble Mcjackson]

It seems like a lot of Cardinals fans are flabbergasted by the actions of Q and dockett but you shouldnt be.

Look, the NFL is a business and players are always going to look out for there best interests and teams will always look out for there's. Coming off a super bowl, players stock rises and there going to look for bigger pay days. These players have no loyalty to a team or town or fans. They want to get paid and have as much money as possible and can we blame them? We can all say for example 20 million is "enough" but i tell you what, if i can get 40 mill and double my money and now that my kids kids kids will never have to work or no financial difficulties im going to do it.

Also, lets not forget that these contracts are not guaranteed so teams do not have to honor contracts why should players? didn't the Cardinals cut several players from the team? I dont hear the same backlash for the FO not honoring there contracts.

I guess in a long winded way I dont get all the shock and awe fans are having towards all the contract disputes. People want to "get there's" and people will always want more money. So sit back and relax, the season is still a long ways away.

Stay Tasty,
Feeble

 

[DieHardCardFan]

It seems like a lot of Cardinals fans are flabbergasted by the actions of Q and dockett but you shouldnt be.

Look, the NFL is a business and players are always going to look out for there best interests and teams will always look out for there's. Coming off a super bowl, players stock rises and there going to look for bigger pay days. These players have no loyalty to a team or town or fans. They want to get paid and have as much money as possible and can we blame them? We can all say for example 20 million is "enough" but i tell you what, if i can get 40 mill and double my money and now that my kids kids kids will never have to work or no financial difficulties im going to do it.

Also, lets not forget that these contracts are not guaranteed so teams do not have to honor contracts why should players? didn't the Cardinals cut several players from the team? I dont hear the same backlash for the FO not honoring there contracts.

I guess in a long winded way I dont get all the shock and awe fans are having towards all the contract disputes. People want to "get there's" and people will always want more money. So sit back and relax, the season is still a long ways away.

Stay Tasty,
Feeble

All true but if the contracts were guarenteed there would not be contracts like we have today. These players would not make the money they make right now. And really is that not something that the Players Union had some say in ?

 

[justAndy]

Q - 2 yrs left.
DD - 3, yes 3! yrs left.
That's MY issue w/ those 2.

 

[Mitch]

Q - 2 yrs left.
DD - 3, yes 3! yrs left.
That's MY issue w/ those 2.

IMO, hopefully they have O years left with the Cardinals. To me they are a disgrace.

 

[PoolBoy]

so when you want a pay raise at work do you wear your tie on your head and claim to ahve carpel tunnel?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

so when you want a pay raise at work do you wear your tie on your head and claim to ahve carpel tunnel?

that got me a signing bonus!

 

[Jersey Girl]

that got me a signing bonus!

LOL.

I'm with Andy. Crying about wanting a new contract when you have three years left and you know the team has other important issues with which to attend = not a team player, at least IMHO.

 

[Saxon079]

It seems like a lot of Cardinals fans are flabbergasted by the actions of Q and dockett but you shouldnt be.

Look, the NFL is a business and players are always going to look out for there best interests and teams will always look out for there's. Coming off a super bowl, players stock rises and there going to look for bigger pay days. These players have no loyalty to a team or town or fans. They want to get paid and have as much money as possible and can we blame them? We can all say for example 20 million is "enough" but i tell you what, if i can get 40 mill and double my money and now that my kids kids kids will never have to work or no financial difficulties im going to do it.

Also, lets not forget that these contracts are not guaranteed so teams do not have to honor contracts why should players? didn't the Cardinals cut several players from the team? I dont hear the same backlash for the FO not honoring there contracts.

I guess in a long winded way I dont get all the shock and awe fans are having towards all the contract disputes. People want to "get there's" and people will always want more money. So sit back and relax, the season is still a long ways away.

Stay Tasty,
Feeble

Good point.

 

[Feeble Mcjackson]

so when you want a pay raise at work do you wear your tie on your head and claim to ahve carpel tunnel?

No but I know many people including myself who have got offers from other companies to force the hand of the current employer into a raise.

I know many sales people will not push a big deal through and threaten to take them and his other clients with him to another company which is very similar to not playing.

 

[PoolBoy]

No but I know many people including myself who have got offers from other companies to force the hand of the current employer into a raise.

I know many sales people will not push a big deal through and threaten to take them and his other clients with him to another company which is very similar to not playing.

unfortunately teams didn't see Boldin as important as Roy Williams in the trade market, so that point just proves mine.

 

[Duckjake]

IMO, hopefully they have O years left with the Cardinals. To me they are a disgrace.

Not to me. To me they are hero's.

 

[Trey]

Not to me. To me they are hero's.

Hmm...

Don't see Boldin in that picture. Wonder why...

 

[Feeble Mcjackson]

unfortunately teams didn't see Boldin as important as Roy Williams in the trade market, so that point just proves mine.

ur point was that people dont leverage there jobs in "the real world" like they do in the NFL. Which I proved that people in fact do.

Now your bringing up an entirely NEW point of Boldin's value in the market.

To this point we only know very little. 1) the cards would not let Q or his agent actively seek out other teams. 2) the he said/she said of if the FO was actively taking calls and was listening seriously to trade deals.

I personally don't think this speaks to Boldins value on the market. It only speaks to the fact that the Cardinals dont want to trade Boldin so it looks like at least one team sees his value.

 

[PoolBoy]

ur point was that people dont leverage there jobs in "the real world" like they do in the NFL. Which I proved that people in fact do.

Now your bringing up an entirely NEW point of Boldin's value in the market.

To this point we only know very little. 1) the cards would not let Q or his agent actively seek out other teams. 2) the he said/she said of if the FO was actively taking calls and was listening seriously to trade deals.

I personally don't think this speaks to Boldins value on the market. It only speaks to the fact that the Cardinals dont want to trade Boldin so it looks like at least one team sees his value.

leverage isnt acting like a 12 year old and not wearing your uniform.

 

[Feeble Mcjackson]

Hmm...

Don't see Boldin in that picture. Wonder why...

I cant lie, thats funny

 

[Feeble Mcjackson]

leverage isnt acting like a 12 year old and not wearing your uniform.

actually it is, ask Jay Cutler or Brett Favre. The "take my ball and go home" tactic has worked very well in sports for many years

 

[Duckjake]

Hmm...

Don't see Boldin in that picture. Wonder why...

The picture's too small? I could look for a larger one.

If you look real close you can see me though. What an amazing Sunday that was.

 

[AZ Native]

Yeah I want more money but I don't have a contract like DD signed and approved. It was his decision and he must live by it.

 

[40yearfan]

It seems like a lot of Cardinals fans are flabbergasted by the actions of Q and dockett but you shouldnt be.

Look, the NFL is a business and players are always going to look out for there best interests and teams will always look out for there's. Coming off a super bowl, players stock rises and there going to look for bigger pay days. These players have no loyalty to a team or town or fans. They want to get paid and have as much money as possible and can we blame them? We can all say for example 20 million is "enough" but i tell you what, if i can get 40 mill and double my money and now that my kids kids kids will never have to work or no financial difficulties im going to do it.

Also, lets not forget that these contracts are not guaranteed so teams do not have to honor contracts why should players? didn't the Cardinals cut several players from the team? I dont hear the same backlash for the FO not honoring there contracts.

I guess in a long winded way I dont get all the shock and awe fans are having towards all the contract disputes. People want to "get there's" and people will always want more money. So sit back and relax, the season is still a long ways away.

Stay Tasty,
Feeble

Sorry Feeble, but I gotta disagree with you. The contracts are guaranteed. If you have a contract that says you will get forty million, but you are guaranteed you will receive only 20 million, it is a guaranteed contract. The guarantee is the twenty million. That means you never really had a forty million dollar contract, but you could brag that you did if you so desire. The average fan doesn't understand how contracts work and they don't realize the larger number is just funny money.

Believe me, the players, agents and owners know the true value of those contracts. For the players/agents to come back a year later and act like they didn't know what they were signing is idiocy.

I negotiate contracts on a weekly basis. Sometimes you are forced to live with conditions you don't necessarily find palatable, but if you want the work, you sign the agreement. And I will guarantee you during the life of that contract, you will either perform up to it's standards or someone else will be doing your work and you will be out a lot of bucks. You can't go back to the person you have the contract with and demand more money because you have to work harder than you intended to do.

If you sign a contract, live up to it, period.

 

[lauraw]

"IF you sign a contract, live up to it, period." -40year fan
that's what I'm talking about!!!

 

[Feeble Mcjackson]

Very rarely does a NFL player play out there contract and there is a ton of precedence on the matter. If you get so upset that players don't play out there contract then you are watching the wrong sport my friend. But I digress from my basic premise.

Boldin is getting villainized on the boards because he is looking for a new contract and the fact is this is what the NFL has came to be. Im not saying Q has handled the situation perfectly but he has not missed any games and last time i checked the contract pays him to play games. As long as he is strapped up on September 13th ready to go against the Niners I'm good.

 

[Garthshort]

Feeble, my problem is not with the players, since it is the agent who is calling the shots. It is with the people who keep writing and talking about it. It's old news. They will either play or they won't, then it will become news and I'll be interested. But not now. Same for Brett Favre.

 

[cardpa]

All these contracts have guarantees with them so every player knows they are getting a certain amount of money regardless of whether they get cut or not. That's why they all want a certain amount of the contract guaranteed. So even if they sign a 5 year contract and get cut after one year they still get paid the guaranteed part of the contract. Not a bad deal in my book!

 

[joeshmo]

Believe me, the players, agents and owners know the true value of those contracts. For the players/agents to come back a year later and act like they didn't know what they were signing is idiocy.

Winners get Chicken Dinners, but your going to have to pay for it.

Players and agents no exactly how the contract game works. They have two options - Sign a long term deal for security of the amount of years and more gauranteed money or Sign short term deals that pay you fair market value from year to year and ultimately make way more money (like Dieon Sanders did).

 

[joeshmo]

Also, lets not forget that these contracts are not guaranteed so teams do not have to honor contracts why should players? didn't the Cardinals cut several players from the team? I dont hear the same backlash for the FO not honoring there contracts.

You dont here that because the team did honor their contracts. Every player is under a contract called the CBA, a contract that the players and their representatives negotiated and accepted. Under that CBA teams are allowed to cut players from their contracts(but with sacrifices mind you because of cap ramifications, so its up to the agent to make sure the cap ramifications are to high for a team to cut his player).

You also didnt hear a backlash because Laboy got paid over 10 million dollars for playing one season because of his gauranteed money, Edge got paid 25 million dollars for 3 seasons, Hood got paid over 12 mill for playing two seasons. All becuase of gauranteed money. Thats a pretty good haul for so few years, and now they can try and find another deal with more gauranteed money. Its what Boldin and Dockett wished they could be doing.

Also the Union will never ask for Gauranteed contracts for many reasons - the biggest being the players will make far less money. That would be the case becasue the current system the owners have to at least spend a minimum amount on salary where if you move to a guaranteed system you would get rid of that thus the poorer teams would spend less, just like the NBA and MLB. Far fewer total dollars on the market for its players. Also teams would be far less willing to offer long term deals because in the NFL injuries and career threatening injuries are far more common then in any other sport. I could go on why the players would get less money in a gauranteed market but thats the gist of it.