Impending Disaster - Offense

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I wish I could tell you the offense will be in much better shape than the defense, but I don’t lie. It’s scary too!

There is some good news, the Cards now have 2 impact runners. DJ may well be the best back in the NFL. With a little better blocking & play design, AP can still be an impact player. There’s also a bonus, Logan hopefully will solve both the kick return issues plus be a useful 3rd down option. Considering AP’s age and limited receiving abilities he can likely be given 15 or so carries a game. DJ is a great receiver and can be split out with either AP or Logan as the RB. If DJ gets 10 runs & 8-10 targets a game he should last longer. No significant money is tied to any of the other backs and replacement will be cheap if that’s the way the Cards want to go.

That covers most of the good news. Palmer figures to retire while he’s mostly intact. We’ve all seen Stanton. Even if BA awakens and gives Gabbert a chance, he’s far from someone who can be counted on, but he’s a long shot worth trying. Luckily between trade options, free agents & the draft the Cards can move forward at this position. If they start a draft pick or use a stop gap starter while grooming a pick, figure a lean year or 2. If they get an experienced QB the time line to competitiveness shortens.

Reviewing the TEs reveals another example of empty space. Beyond the absurd money owed Gresham and keeping in mind he can’t be cut, all the other TEs can be eliminated at no cost. Only Seals-Jones even has a contract. I’d vote to replace them all.

At WR things get a little better. Surely Fitz is gone. At least there’s DJ splitting out & JJ. I mentioned earlier it gains no cap advantage by cutting Chad Williams. I bet you’ve already guessed no one else is under contract. I’m sure any of the other receivers can be retained but are any of them impressing you.

All that’s left is the line. It would actually be funny, if it wasn’t so sad. This unit has the most personnel signed for next year. 6 members of the offensive line are under contract. Based on the performance of this unit the most likely approach will be clearing cap space. Releasing both Iupati & Veldheer would free open up nearly $7 mil of room. Depending what Humphries shows in the remaining season, his release frees nearly another $3 mil. The Cards have 2 centers under control. Both could be cut but I’m confident the Cards like Shipley and in a pinch Boehm can play guard. He played it better last year, but he’s affordable and knows the blocking scheme. I’m not a fan but you can only acquire so many players. Lastly Holden is signed for peanuts. I think they’ll try to re-sign Boone, but with no guarantee of a starting spot. Wetzel would likely be signed with the same understanding. I’m guessing they will acquire a guard and a tackle for sure. Humphries’ performance will determine how much further the purge goes.

So that means 1-2 RBs, 1-2 QBs, 3 TEs, 3-4 WRs and 3-4 linemen. You better get your scorecard ordered early otherwise you won’t know who’s who.

This will be an incredibly challenging offseason. The Cards have some key players under contract. Still the sheer number of positions that must be resolved for this team to contend for anything is astonishing.
 

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All that’s left is the line. It would actually be funny, if it wasn’t so sad. This unit has the most personnel signed for next year. 6 members of the offensive line are under contract. Based on the performance of this unit the most likely approach will be clearing cap space. Releasing both Iupati & Veldheer would free open up nearly $7 mil of room.

According to Over the Cap cutting Veldheer would save $7M and Iupati would save $6.3M for a total of $13.3M!
 

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Will BA stay with the same offense? Or will he tweak it to get the most out of altered personnel; namely a less explosive QB and a big time RB?

Discuss.
 

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I am of the opinion we have more o-line talent than we are actually seeing on the field. It makes no sense that these young guys come in here and actually get worse.
many "experts" said Dorian was the most nfl ready line prospect in the draft, the only worry on him was that liver thing which is why he dropped in the draft... but somehow dude cannot even make the roster??

IMO,...we have a putrid culture in the locker room and it affects the entire team.

the bright side as far as the offense goes,...as long as a new o-line coach makes a difference,...WR's are pretty easy to come by these days.

I think our major concern on offense is to draft our QB and shore up the line.... the rest is easy to fix.
I also think they can convince Larry to stay another year and they should... he aint all world, but he still has velcro hands and will greatly help a young QB in a pinch....with DJ coming out of the backfield it gives a kid two very reliable sets of hands when he gets in trouble.

with a top 3-5 running game a young QB can manage a game pretty easily,..and stretch it out more as he develops............a good line and keeping Larry makes that very doable....plus gresham...he catches some,..and he does fight for yardage
 

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Tampa's defense is the worst in the NFL based on DVOA. Their rush defense is only mediocre (17th). I think it's early to say that Adrian Peterson can still be an impact player in the NFL.

I'm also a little shocked that anyone is depending on T.J. Logan to be anything.
 
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According to Over the Cap cutting Veldheer would save $7M and Iupati would save $6.3M for a total of $13.3M!

You’re correct. I misread the site structure. You could kill “last” in the headline if you get a chance
 

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Constantly overlooked is the fact that they practice against each other all week (O and D) and have since training camp, and we have heard nothing except 'they look sharp' ... 'they look ready' ... maybe they are ALL (except Fitz, PP and to some extent CP) just simply BAD. Maybe they all just suck and aren't good on either side of the ball, so neither side gets exposed in practice because they are equally bad and make it all look like a rip roaring good practice ? In which case, KEIM definitely needs to go along with the Arians posse.
 

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Next year is truly a rebuild year if Palmer doesn't come back. I agree that its time to let Iupati go but I think Veldheer will be fine to keep at RT. I figured it would take at least half a season for him to make the switch to RT and be decent. We need to use our first round pick on a QB and our second rounder on a WR for that new QB to grow with. I think Drew Stanton is getting his chance but will be on a short leash. I think Gabbert will be the starter within three games. Stanton is just not accurate enough to be a starting QB. I'm sure that i'm higher on Gabbert than most. I believe he can be a good starter, he definitely has the talent. I am hoping that Fitz keeps on playing. A young QB could really use him and David Johnson to lean on while he learns the ropes.
 

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I can understand why some want BASK to go, but I have a serious question. Who would MB be listening to, if he comes to that decision? Does he have a FB insider that would influence his decision?
 

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In my Honest opinion, our Coaching most of the time sucks. We have a bad O-line coach and it shows and I wouldn't be surprised to see Dorian play for the Texans in the next 2 weeks and killing it.

From the rest of the coaching, D-line sucks, D coordinator sucks, ST coordinator sucks ...

yeah I think with an other HC and coaching team we would see that we have more talent than we think
 
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In my Honest opinion, our Coaching most of the time sucks. We have a bad O-line coach and it shows and I wouldn't be surprised to see Dorian play for the Texans in the next 2 weeks and killing it.

From the rest of the coaching, D-line sucks, D coordinator sucks, ST coordinator sucks ...

yeah I think with an other HC and coaching team we would see that we have more talent than we think

I think Dorian had an issue picking up the play book.
 

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There is not one single reason to bring Adrian Peterson back next year.

As far as TJ Logan, I will count on him to fill a roster spot.

I don't believe they will cut Iupati unless they can sign Alex Boone for peanuts. It makes no sense to cut Iupati and use the money you save to make the same mistake you made with Iupati with Boone.

They aren't cutting Humphries regardless of his level of play the rest of the year. He will stay at LT unless the Cardinals draft one, but I don't believe they will.

WR is not something to worry about unless we want to double down on our poor cap management.

The offseason plan should be figure out a QB, set the offensive line for the next 4 years, and run David Johnson into the ground. Nothing other than OL and QB matter next year for the offense in terms of high draft picks or mid to high FA dollars.
 

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There is not one single reason to bring Adrian Peterson back next year.


The offseason plan should be figure out a QB, set the offensive line for the next 4 years, and run David Johnson into the ground. Nothing other than OL and QB matter next year for the offense in terms of high draft picks or mid to high FA dollars.


definitely agree with that. we have wr's,...and average ones are a dime a dozen in FA
 
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I think bringing back Peterson makes great sense. First if DJ gets hurt again, they have a viable option. Peterson’s cap hit is modest and he’s motivated. DJ is a fine receiver. He can be split out with Peterson in the backfield giving the another dangerous weapon. Neither back could carry every running down. Every play can be run with an impact back! I honestly don’t know why you’d let him go.
 

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and run David Johnson into the ground. Nothing other than OL and QB matter next year for the offense in terms of high draft picks or mid to high FA dollars.

and that sentiment is exactly why, if I was a rookie in the NFL who was really good, I spurn extensions and everything else and go straight to Free agency and let the highest bidder win my loyalty .....
 

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and that sentiment is exactly why, if I was a rookie in the NFL who was really good, I spurn extensions and everything else and go straight to Free agency and let the highest bidder win my loyalty .....

Except for the face that you can't, there is this thing called the CBA.
 

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And when the franchise tag is placed on you?

Take the money, play the year and if they do it again, take the (greater amount of money) play the year and then play them all off against each other.... team management gives a poo about you over the long run, I find it hilarious when people get their panties in a twist about 'no team loyalty' by some player... they are contractors, hired guns. and are treated as such by management (except a few, a very few) ... the young rookies today need to wake up, if the extension they are offered (assuming they are a top grade talent) isn't a MAX offer, they should ride it out ... it's a gamble, but, life's a gamble....
 

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Take the money, play the year and if they do it again, take the (greater amount of money) play the year and then play them all off against each other.... team management gives a **** about you over the long run, I find it hilarious when people get their panties in a twist about 'no team loyalty' by some player... they are contractors, hired guns. and are treated as such by management (except a few, a very few) ... the young rookies today need to wake up, if the extension they are offered (assuming they are a top grade talent) isn't a MAX offer, they should ride it out ... it's a gamble, but, life's a gamble....

A gamble some are not will to take. It's a rough game, and any play can be your last. It is easy to sit back and say what other people should do. The security they get from signing an extension/new contract is worth it to some. Every player has different circumstances, to throw a blanket over them is wrong.
 

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