In a Perfect World, Kurt Warner will Retire

[Pariah]

Because this is a PG board, I omitted the part about Jessica Alba, Scarlett Johansen and myself at the post-game celebratory hot tub session...

I wouldn't have kept it celibate. Shark, you're a better man than I.

...it means what? ...oh, nevermind.

 

[seesred]

This perfect world is amazing to me. By the way Q can't go to KC with Haley if the Cards don't trade him there. In the football world it would make no sence not to sign Kurt and hope he stays healthy. I'm a believer in Matt and know he will get his shot.

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[BLRIGHT]

This is all my opinion...

In a Perfect World, Kurt Warner will Retire

Kurt Warner's numbers in 2008 placed him in MVP consideration. The team's performance down the stretch took him out.

If the team remains in tact for 2009, I don't think KW could remain as injury-free as 2008.

I don't think the team will remain in tact for 2009

I think Boldin moving on to another team will affect KW's impression of this team to get the ball to LF.

I also believe that Todd Haley moving on may result in KW wanting to go to Kansas City. Perhaps Boldin, too.

I think Leinart will be as (or more) effective as Aaron Rogers was in Green Bay.

If we re-sign him, he'll disappoint in 2009 with a turnover and injury-plagued 2009 season.

I'll guarantee it right now: Matt will have to play a bunch anyway. He's learned what it takes to make it to the Superbowl and how to prepare. I really think he will do everything in his power to make it back again.

Let's save the 8-10 million a year. Spend it on a defensive player or two and hope that Kurt Warner retires.

Let me get this straight: the franchise has not won a playoff game in 50 years and has not had a winning season in 30. And you want the player who lead the team to 3 playoff victories, who fell just short of a regular season MVP, threw for 377 yards in the Super Bowl and fell just short of the Super Bowl MVP to retire?

 

[dogpoo32]

Let me get this straight: the franchise has not won a playoff game in 50 years and has not had a winning season in 30. And you want the player who lead the team to 3 playoff victories, who fell just short of a regular season MVP, threw for 377 yards in the Super Bowl and fell just short of the Super Bowl MVP to retire?

First off, the last playoff win was 10 years ago and yes. In the business of football, paying a 39 year old for past performance is a ripoff. He could come out and win the MVP next season, or he could get hurt/play horribly.

 

[Unsterblich856]

In a perfect world, Kurt is 21 and Leinart has trade value.

 

[Syracusecards]

I think what's getting lost somehow in this is that Leinart has been injured quite a bit as well. KW gets the ball out quickly, which made an average line look much better than they were in pass protection. I think it's far more likely that Matt would get injured before Kurt just because Kurt has more experience and is faster going through his reads.

This past year was one of the first times I've seen Kurt really get the ball out and not sit back forever while we're all screaming at him to throw the freaking ball. Of course he had some of those moments, but not nearly as bad as years past.

I find it ironic that fans of a team that supposedly broke up a winning formula in 98 would be so quick to do the same with this years team.

 

[BradMannTX]

Let me get this straight: the franchise has not won a playoff game in 50 years and has not had a winning season in 30. And you want the player who lead the team to 3 playoff victories, who fell just short of a regular season MVP, threw for 377 yards in the Super Bowl and fell just short of the Super Bowl MVP to retire?

No. I don't want that to happen per se. I just have a gut feeling that this year was a confluence of a bunch of things going our way. I think KW's performance was outstanding this year. I also think it was a fluke.

Funny, before the season, I was one of the few KW drum-beaters -- but, I think we squeezed all the blood from the turnip.

Considering all the changes coming on the offense, I'd rather not pony up 16 million bucks on the less-than-probable chance that Kurt is up to repeat.

In the meantime, Matt is wasting away in Margaritaville. If we can't hitch our wagon to Matt now, we need to know and move on.

I think the money would be much better spent improving the defense and running game/o-line.

Just my 2-cents.

-Brad "king of cliches"

 

[BradMannTX]

I think what's getting lost somehow in this is that Leinart has been injured quite a bit as well. KW gets the ball out quickly, which made an average line look much better than they were in pass protection. I think it's far more likely that Matt would get injured before Kurt just because Kurt has more experience and is faster going through his reads.

This past year was one of the first times I've seen Kurt really get the ball out and not sit back forever while we're all screaming at him to throw the freaking ball. Of course he had some of those moments, but not nearly as bad as years past.

I find it ironic that fans of a team that supposedly broke up a winning formula in 98 would be so quick to do the same with this years team.

Matt's injury-proneness is a great point! Let's invest in the running game and defense then.

It was a FAN-FRICKIN-TASTIC year to be a Card fan! I will remember this year forever. I'll be telling my grandkids about this year. However, does anyone truly believe this was a winning formula? I think it was a fantastic season and we shifted into overdrive and barrelled over some teams that were looking beyond us. I don't want to go into next season without some serious overhauls though. We won 9 games and imploded during the regular season once the division was in the bag more or less. This is not a winning formula in my mind.

 

[Syracusecards]

No. I don't want that to happen per se. I just have a gut feeling that this year was a confluence of a bunch of things going our way. I think KW's performance was outstanding this year. I also think it was a fluke.

Funny, before the season, I was one of the few KW drum-beaters -- but, I think we squeezed all the blood from the turnip.

Considering all the changes coming on the offense, I'd rather not pony up 16 million bucks on the less-than-probable chance that Kurt is up to repeat.

In the meantime, Matt is wasting away in Margaritaville. If we can't hitch our wagon to Matt now, we need to know and move on.

I think the money would be much better spent improving the defense and running game/o-line.

Just my 2-cents.

-Brad "king of cliches"

So if Matt doesn't work out, then what??? The way this system is designed right now is to have a great quarterback, not a game manager. I'd love to see Matt come out and be amazing but there's no guarantee. Whiz needs a couple more years to get the defense to be where he wants it and also to get an o-line and a rb that can grind out a game.

This is not going to be our brand of football much longer. If Whiz was stubborn and stupid like a lot of other coaches, he would have said we're running it no matter what. He adjusted to the talent on the team. But in the end, he's still going to want to come back to what he wanted to do in the first place. Play smashmouth football. That's not going to happen this year with the o-line we have and the rb's we have so we're better off sticking with what we did this year for next year and then hopefully by 2010 we'll have the pieces in place to be smashmouth. KW is the more logical choice for next year. The year after, we'll have to wait and see.

 

[BradMannTX]

In a perfect world, Kurt is 21 and Leinart has trade value.

+1

 

[BradMannTX]

So if Matt doesn't work out, then what??? The way this system is designed right now is to have a great quarterback, not a game manager. I'd love to see Matt come out and be amazing but there's no guarantee. Whiz needs a couple more years to get the defense to be where he wants it and also to get an o-line and a rb that can grind out a game.

This is not going to be our brand of football much longer. If Whiz was stubborn and stupid like a lot of other coaches, he would have said we're running it no matter what. He adjusted to the talent on the team. But in the end, he's still going to want to come back to what he wanted to do in the first place. Play smashmouth football. That's not going to happen this year with the o-line we have and the rb's we have so we're better off sticking with what we did this year for next year and then hopefully by 2010 we'll have the pieces in place to be smashmouth. KW is the more logical choice for next year. The year after, we'll have to wait and see.

Matt can huck it to Fitz as well as Kurt. I guarantee it.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Why do I get the feeling many posters on here would rather go 8-8 (at best) with Leinart rather than 11-5 with Kurt Warner???

 

[jefftheshark]

Why do I get the feeling many posters on here would rather go 8-8 (at best) with Leinart rather than 11-5 with Kurt Warner???

Low blood sugar might explain why you feel that way, because I seriously doubt it's due to what the people on this board have said.

JTS

 

[azsouthendzone]

Why do I get the feeling many posters on here would rather go 8-8 (at best) with Leinart rather than 11-5 with Kurt Warner???

Why do I get the feeling that one poster on this board cares about one player named Kurt Warner and that person pretends to care about the team he plays on?

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Low blood sugar might explain why you feel that way, because I seriously doubt it's due to what the people on this board have said.

JTS

Why do I get the feeling that one poster on this board cares about one player named Kurt Warner and that person pretends to care about the team he plays on?

Well if Kurt Warner were to actually retire we'd have:
Matt Leinart vs Brian St. Pierre for the starting QB position

 

[Unsterblich856]

Well if Kurt Warnere were to actually retire we'd have:
Matt Leinart vs Brian St. Pierre for the starting QB position

Well at least it would mean Leinart would have a chance to finally showcase his skills to see if he is worth his salary.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Well at least it would mean Leinart would have a chance to finally showcase his skills to see if he is worth his salary.

Even if it means we miss out on the playoffs next year?

 

[azsouthendzone]

Well if Kurt Warner were to actually retire we'd have:
Matt Leinart vs Brian St. Pierre for the starting QB position

Dude, the gig is up. Quit pretending.

 

[JS22]

You have got to be kidding me.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Even if it means we miss out on the playoffs next year?

When you say "we" don't you mean "Warner and I ?"

 

[CardsFan88]

A guy either gets injured or not. It's not about paying a high contract. Now sure maybe a guy sluffs off his conditioning, and maybe that contributes to getting injured. But I also know Warner is probably in his best 'playing shape' EVER. I think that probably had a bigger reason in him staying injury free than luck.

But luck was definitely a factor. (it always is injury wise in the nfl)

I have to go with who I think gives us the best chance to win. I'm not handing anything to Leinart. He wants to start? Beat out Warner.

But from what I hear, Leinart is about as into this team as Haley is right now. Leinart is taking a check, and hoping for the best. But the mindset is punching a clock, and trying to prove his hollywood critics wrong, not on the field, but how he; appears, talks, prepares.

I'm not so sure he WANTS to play here. In fact I'd give it 70-30 he doesn't. But he's here and will show up, and see if a break will come his way, if not for here, then for somewhere else.

My main concerns with Leinart was lack of arm and injury proneness. These really aren't problems that are solved, you either have them or don't. He doesn't have one, and has the other, instead of vice versa.

If he comes in ripped, I'll soften my stance a bit, but not by much. I was thoroughly unimpressed with him adding 15 lbs or thereabouts, and he still looked like a freshman in high school.

I'll give him a chance, and root if he's in, but I'm not expecting much.

Plus with Warner you know he's going to ride and die with the team. He'll pick the Cards in any game they play, even if he doesn't play.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Matt can huck it to Fitz as well as Kurt. I guarantee it.

Drew Brees and Eli Manning did it last Sunday and it worked.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

Dude, the gig is up. Quit pretending.

Pretending about what?

When you say "we" don't you mean "Warner and I ?"

No, I mean the Arizona Cardinals. Having a star QB such as Kurt Warner is quite a bit different than having maybe a so-so QB like Matt Leinart. In fact it could be the difference I indicated.

 

[silverstyne]

I'm usually neutral on both KW and ML, but on this issue, I have to agree with the Warnerites...

After leading the team to the greatest season in Cardinal history, I feel incredulous that all of you want KW to retire?! Just boggles my mind what some of you are thinking... After an infinity of waiting for a capable QB nevermind a probowl/MVP calibre, now you want him to retire? It's ok for me if he decides to retire on his own. BUT FROM OUR VERY OWN CARDINALS FANS TO EGG HIM ON??? This is too much... For giving us this magical ride, he deserves all our support, not a farewell shove.

 

[Perfectionist]

This is all my opinion...

In a Perfect World, Kurt Warner will Retire

Kurt Warner's numbers in 2008 placed him in MVP consideration. The team's performance down the stretch took him out.

If the team remains in tact for 2009, I don't think KW could remain as injury-free as 2008.

I don't think the team will remain in tact for 2009

I think Boldin moving on to another team will affect KW's impression of this team to get the ball to LF.

I also believe that Todd Haley moving on may result in KW wanting to go to Kansas City. Perhaps Boldin, too.

I think Leinart will be as (or more) effective as Aaron Rogers was in Green Bay.

If we re-sign him, he'll disappoint in 2009 with a turnover and injury-plagued 2009 season.

I'll guarantee it right now: Matt will have to play a bunch anyway. He's learned what it takes to make it to the Superbowl and how to prepare. I really think he will do everything in his power to make it back again.

Let's save the 8-10 million a year. Spend it on a defensive player or two and hope that Kurt Warner retires.

1) In a perfect world Warner does not retire until after next season,when he wins a Super Bowl for the Cards.

2) You are right in 2008 the team took Kurt out of MVP consideration.

3) I didn't think Kurt could stay injury free this year, so it is purely speculation to say he couldn't do it next year.

4) Of course the team will not stay 100% in tact for 2009, I doubt any team will.

5) Seems like Kurt and the team did just fine this year when Boldin was absent. Weren't they like 5-1 and a playoff win without him?

6) Kurt wants to stay in Arizona and I hardly expect that Boldin wants to play for a guy who kept him out of the most important drive in team history.

7) I don't think Leinart would be as productive as Rogers (thought I will be pulling for Matt when it is his turn)

8) Can't assume Kurt will be injury prone and know you state back to committing turnovers. I think Matt would have more turnovers just do to his inexperience.

9) I say lets commit the 8 to 10 million dollars on the player that got us not only to the playoffs in 10 years, but got us to the SUPER BOWL!

I guess we just have to agree to disagree on this. But nice thread BradMannTX