In any other division, we would be coming 3rd or last

[MigratingOsprey]

good god I didn't read all of that

on sports betting though, there isn't a house edge per se .... there is the "vig" which could be comparable to a trade fee and then many would argue that picking a winner is reliant on knowledge, etc

the underlying point I was making in regards to the market is that here are unknowns there that can cause a lot to happen - despite all your research and fun stuff, things can and will happen

you laugh at the heart attack example, and while it's not the strongest surely you'll agree that apple investors had a little scare when the rumor of Jobs heart attack came out a couple years ago and their stock dropped like a rock until it was found to be untrue

i can also tell you have I experience working for one of the larger derivitive firms that also acts as a market maker for some of the larger companies you'll find ........ I'll also guarantee you that as smart as you think you are and well researched you are, these guys are smarter

I'll also let you know that poker is taught as part of trading and there is a large emphasis on game theory

as for the rest - really not worth reading

I'll just continue to laugh anytime your hypocritical self wants to chastize anyone else for having the audacity to make a comment about what they think will happen in the future .... especially when you're dumb enough to make future predictions in that same exact post

 

[Doug]

good god I didn't read all of that

on sports betting though, there isn't a house edge per se .... there is the "vig" which could be comparable to a trade fee and then many would argue that picking a winner is reliant on knowledge, etc

the underlying point I was making in regards to the market is that here are unknowns there that can cause a lot to happen - despite all your research and fun stuff, things can and will happen

you laugh at the heart attack example, and while it's not the strongest surely you'll agree that apple investors had a little scare when the rumor of Jobs heart attack came out a couple years ago and their stock dropped like a rock until it was found to be untrue

i can also tell you have I experience working for one of the larger derivitive firms that also acts as a market maker for some of the larger companies you'll find ........ I'll also guarantee you that as smart as you think you are and well researched you are, these guys are smarter

I'll also let you know that poker is taught as part of trading and there is a large emphasis on game theory

as for the rest - really not worth reading

I'll just continue to laugh anytime your hypocritical self wants to chastize anyone else for having the audacity to make a comment about what they think will happen in the future .... especially when you're dumb enough to make future predictions in that same exact post

That was unreadable.I put my $$$ where my mouth is,why don't you in Vegas since you're trying at a very laughable rate to justify Vegas as a viable place to make money betting on anything sounded desperate.LOL

I was responding to your extreme knowledge after ONE week of the NFL season and your (acting) like you know the 8 POWER teams in the NFC already? Go to vegas and put your $$$ where your mouth is.Too funny I do put my money where my mouth is daily.You tried to form a sentence begining with (i).Hinting at a company smarter than me & mine.Name names hagfan.I gave names to everything.try to write in legible sentences though.LMAO I advise against any advise given by you that sports betting has nothing but loser written all over it compared to the proven way to make money with the market.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

or not at all

just keep on being hypocritical whenever you chastize anyone for having a prediction on what will happen on future events in the ever so complicated world of sports ... and then turning around and having your own predictions on sports .... we shall all praise thee Oracle of Lynn Haven for they name is Doug

on this topic your mouth says that it's impossible to forecast a potential outcome for this NFL season (even though you do that very thing constantly)

the relevance to betting is that there are places where they actually not only create odds on a future outcome, but people bet on those

since you are so determined to bash people for daring to make such predictions you should leave behind us small timers and go after the big boys

let them know that even trying to handicap on such outcomes is a foolish endeavor as there is no way to know who the power teams will be - let them know about all your experience and let them know that one day they will learn this lesson as well

 

[Jetstream Green]

I agree with Stewdog 1, we will get a good idea about this team when we hit the bye-week...basing anything after the first game of the season is about as bad as posts which say- Whis is a horrible coach, Hall should start at QB and Howlings should be the starting back...come on

 

[Matt L]

I will admit I overreacted since I made this thread right after the last second Wilson interception and think the team did very well to overcome 3 fumbles in Rams territory. Spagnoulo is one of the best defensive minded coaches in the league and his much worse team did manage to hang in there with the Texans and Saints last season. Continued improvement from Anderson and hopefully a more aggressive defense with more experience as the season goes on could result in this season being a very good one for a "transition" year.

Bring on the Falcons.

Spagnoulo's time management was simply atrocious...I am glad that they didn't use those timeouts at the end of the game better...

 

[Doug]

or not at all

just keep on being hypocritical whenever you chastize anyone for having a prediction on what will happen on future events in the ever so complicated world of sports ... and then turning around and having your own predictions on sports .... we shall all praise thee Oracle of Lynn Haven for they name is Doug

on this topic your mouth says that it's impossible to forecast a potential outcome for this NFL season (even though you do that very thing constantly)

the relevance to betting is that there are places where they actually not only create odds on a future outcome, but people bet on those

since you are so determined to bash people for daring to make such predictions you should leave behind us small timers and go after the big boys

let them know that even trying to handicap on such outcomes is a foolish endeavor as there is no way to know who the power teams will be - let them know about all your experience and let them know that one day they will learn this lesson as well

Why should I try to ruin the big money making trough at which no it alls like yourself throw your money away weekly onmass.You can't stop a fool from throwing his money away.I also to your sad dismay have yet to make a season prediction on any team as you and your seahag crystal ball have that down along with your big sports betting EMPIRE.LMAO

Sports betting is a losers story you act as though you truly put your money where your ever running mouth is, yet I'm pretty sure you don't even play scratch offs at the gas station.Handicappers are laughing at you all the way to the bank everyday.

People are here daily to make their predictions on everything but not many if 1% have the seasons (powerteams) afterweek ONE for the full season like you do.I surely have never stepped out on that narrow plank as you have.Thats putting just you with the target on your back.Not me.

 

[john h]

Thank god for the mediocrity of the NFC West.

Seems I heard that when we went to the Superbowl and came within a minute of winning it.
You never know who is going to jump up and surprise everyone come playoffs. The big thing is to get to the playoffs.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You two should take this to PM.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

if you are referencing me - absolutely not

I really don't mess around with PMs

especially not on a thread where there is discussion about opinions on how this division stacks up against the rest of the divisions

in which I gave my opinion

in which I was told that I really can't form an opinion on future events by someone who used opinions on future events to rebuke me

it all seems relevant to the thread

I'm not going to continue on with it because i've stated my piece and have learned that doug is as hypocritical and egotistical as he is verbose ........ which is fine by me

I really don't care and will stand by not only my thoughts on how I think the teams stack up going into this season - I will also stand by that it's not unreasonable to make expectations on the performance of individual teams throughout the season ...... and if you do that then it's only reasonable to start stacking those expectations

it's funny that I get called out for determining who a power team is - yet there is no rebuke for thinking some teams will not be good

I know it's a stretch - but I think I can pretty safely say that it's reasonable to expect the Saints to be a power team and one that looks vastly superior to any team in this division and that a team like the bucs wouldn't compete for the division title

some may not like or agree with my thoughts on the division this year and that's fine ..... but it's not that outrageous to have an opinion on how you think teams will do ........ heck, how many threads have talked about the 2 team race between the cards & niners for the division ........ the niners could have their team plane explode, the cardinals could have fitz, dockett, campbell and wilson all injured and sam bradford may have the best rookie season ever and lead the rams to the division title ......... however, I still thinks it's reasonable going into the season to say the cards are the team to beat but have some additional question marks over last year, the niners have been building for a few years and have some really strong areas and really questionable areas (including leadership), seattle is in a transition, but can still bite a team every now and again and st. louis will be a lot more competative but not a major factor in the divisional race

if that puts me on a narrow plank, so be it ..... i'm an excellent swimmer and it's the friggin internet

my opinion is that it's reasonable to make predictions on how you think the season will go for all teams

doug thinks that is unreasonable and requires some future telling device

such is life

he would have more credibility to his argument though if he didn't make predictions on how he thinks the cards may take a step back, only be a 7 win team and that a rookie UDFA will make a major impact down the stretch all before really seeing any of the season in action

and with that I'm done with this topic .... i think my opinion on all matters should be pretty clear .... as crystal clear as the ball I use to gaze into the future

 

[Doug]

if you are referencing me - absolutely not

I really don't mess around with PMs

especially not on a thread where there is discussion about opinions on how this division stacks up against the rest of the divisions

in which I gave my opinion

in which I was told that I really can't form an opinion on future events by someone who used opinions on future events to rebuke me

it all seems relevant to the thread

I'm not going to continue on with it because i've stated my piece and have learned that doug is as hypocritical and egotistical as he is verbose ........ which is fine by me

I really don't care and will stand by not only my thoughts on how I think the teams stack up going into this season - I will also stand by that it's not unreasonable to make expectations on the performance of individual teams throughout the season ...... and if you do that then it's only reasonable to start stacking those expectations

it's funny that I get called out for determining who a power team is - yet there is no rebuke for thinking some teams will not be good

I know it's a stretch - but I think I can pretty safely say that it's reasonable to expect the Saints to be a power team and one that looks vastly superior to any team in this division and that a team like the bucs wouldn't compete for the division title

some may not like or agree with my thoughts on the division this year and that's fine ..... but it's not that outrageous to have an opinion on how you think teams will do ........ heck, how many threads have talked about the 2 team race between the cards & niners for the division ........ the niners could have their team plane explode, the cardinals could have fitz, dockett, campbell and wilson all injured and sam bradford may have the best rookie season ever and lead the rams to the division title ......... however, I still thinks it's reasonable going into the season to say the cards are the team to beat but have some additional question marks over last year, the niners have been building for a few years and have some really strong areas and really questionable areas (including leadership), seattle is in a transition, but can still bite a team every now and again and st. louis will be a lot more competative but not a major factor in the divisional race

if that puts me on a narrow plank, so be it ..... i'm an excellent swimmer and it's the friggin internet

my opinion is that it's reasonable to make predictions on how you think the season will go for all teams

doug thinks that is unreasonable and requires some future telling device

such is life

he would have more credibility to his argument though if he didn't make predictions on how he thinks the cards may take a step back, only be a 7 win team and that a rookie UDFA will make a major impact down the stretch all before really seeing any of the season in action

and with that I'm done with this topic .... i think my opinion on all matters should be pretty clear .... as crystal clear as the ball I use to gaze into the future

MODS You can close this nonsense thread at anytime as this person did'nt follow your advice but continued his long verbal attack as he tried to put words in my mouth once again,I never said the Cardinaks would only win 7 games this year,As everything in this garbage post its all out of context and a slap at the moderators as much as it is myself.I dropped it.The op said he would'nt.
Just a small for instance if a person makes a comment about a specific weak player in pre-season making the team than this team would be doomed to 7 wins or less.I said it,Yet as satan twisted Jesus' words in the wilderness after everything JESUS said. This op iook what I said and now makes it seem I predicted the Cardinals to only win 7 games when Monty NEVER made the final cut thus making my prediction null & void.

This poster has no credibility as far as I'm concerned seeing how he can't debate without getting personal.All over a clown predicting the Full season after week one as if it was a fact.Please close down the predicesors thread down as he also should be.Number of posts don't seem to follow degree of integrity or credability is all I've been shown in this nasty thread.

I beg you to close it down or the welcome seahag fan will be back like a dog to his vomit.As it says in the bible.I also will avoid this poster as I already see his obvious motives on our friendly Cardinals fans board. This person is'nt qualified to use my name and give his opinion on how I think as he did above agaist Moderators advice.

 

[CtCardinals78]

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however, this year I really don't see a good team in the west .... i know it's early and a lot can change, but I don't see a team from this division being of the quality where they would be able to finish with a better record than some of the better teams ....... I don't see any of them consistently on par with GB, MN, NO, Atl ... the NFCE is off to a shaky start, but the Giants and Cowboys should turn out alright and the redskins and eagles should be a tough game most weeks

I agree 100%. It kills me to say it, but I think that the teams in the NFCW lost a step this year. The Rams and Seahawks are rebuilding, the 9ers are a team in turmoil it appears and the Cards lost a lot of talent. I don't think any of the four teams drastically improved in the offseason, in fact they may have regressed. I think 2011 will be much better for the NFCW teams once Seattle gets up to speed on Carroll's system, the Rams get some weapons for Bradford and get some help on D and the 9ers fix what appears to be a chemistry problem. The Cards should be a very good team next year. Nice post Osprey.