In Depth Summary Of Each West Team

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Here's how I would rank and summarize the teams so far:

#1. Hornets. Paul, Stoijakavic and West are impossible to stop. A lot like the Pistons. At times the Hornets defense looks terrible and they go cold sometimes when their bench enters the game.

#2. Jazz: Yes they are that good. They play decent defense, never lose at home and are the best offensive team in the playoffs. Scorers everywhere and can rebound. But most importantly they are deadly at home.

#3. Lakers. Kobe, Pau and "others". I've seen the Lakers struggle to shut other teams offenses down this year. I think they've gotten weaker on defense since the addition of Pau which has been overlooked, but still they got a lotta weapons and one of the better benches now.

#4. Rockets. They have the biggest rebounding margin of any team in the playoffs and the also keep teams fg% very low. They rebound the hell out of you and lock down on defense. Alston and McGrady are weapons on offense, but lack of depth and size on the ROAD hurts them. They are a great home team.

#5. Suns. Odd team. When Shaq is out there they look so different, but when he sits is when the team can go small and run. Often times though that's when they lose leads. Gearsofwaricheck might be as big of a pickup as Shaq was in these playoffs. The Sun's do have a bench, but it's inconsistent. Their starters are also inconsistent. Still they probably have the most offensive weapons of any team in the playoffs. Almost everyone out there can shoot. Nash needs to get it going offensively for them to stand a chance* I'm afraid he might be wearing down again and at the worse time.

However, the playoffs have a way of bringing out the best in you.

And take a look at the field goal percentage difference per game. Boston and Detroit being in the weaker division clearly helps them. But look at LA and Utah.. Biggest difference in the west.

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Nice that the Lakers would roll through the 1 and 2 teams on your list, based on matchups alone. In fact, a Denver/Jazz/Nooch path to the finals is my hope for the easiest route..
 
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So the reigning champs get no love even though they have a better record than 3 of those teams listed?

Yes.. I don't feel the Spurs are going to step it up like everyone seems to think. Duncan isn't as efficient as he used to be from the field. Neither is Parker. They've gone downhill and are not near the top. They could push Houston out of my list easily though..
 

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The fact the Houston is in front of the Suns makes it all a joke anyway. Let alone the Spurs would take out Jazz, Houston, and maybe even the Lakers if they have Manu.
 

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Thank god we would (at max) only have to play 3 of these teams. Thats a tough conference.
 

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The Hornets haven't been to the playoffs since 2003. Their inexperience will show. They won't get out of the second round.
 

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Handicapping this year's playoffs is almost impossible. There are no "first round gimmies" for anyone. Anything less that bringing the A game is a receipe for a first round exit.
 

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The Hornets are better than the Spurs how? What have the Hornets ever done in the playoffs? So the defending champions are not favored over the unproven young NO team? Well if your basing your opinions on regular season maybe, but playoff contenders NO is not above SA. The 1/2 game the NO has on the defending Champions this season does NOT make them better than the Spurs, thats just silly. The Hornets have proven NOTHING yet, the Spurs have proven they are a contender and Champions a few times.
 
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the hornets are not even remotely like the pistons, that is one of the furthest out things i've ever heard. the hornets are a push the ball type of team, and the pistons are probably the slowest team in the league. Every player on the pistons can score from the block or from outside and can play defense. That is so much more than can even be close to said about the hornets. the two are nearly polar opposites. very poor comparison.
 

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The Hornets are better than the Spurs how? What have the Hornets ever done in the playoffs? So the defending champions are not favored over the unproven young NO team? Well if your basing your opinions on regular season maybe, but playoff contenders NO is not above SA. The 1/2 game the NO has on the defending Champions this season does NOT make them better than the Spurs, thats just silly. The Hornets have proven NOTHING yet, the Spurs have proven they are a contender and Champions a few times.

yet, you put us over the Spurs? How is that different? Because we're an unproven old team? I think the people think NO has an advantage against the Spurs because they've literally kicked the snot out of them all four times they met this season.

and let me ask you this. You think that NO isn't a contender, right? Did you think the Suns weren't a contender back in 2004-5 when we were a young unproven team as well?
 

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Nice of you to chime in cheese! NO is NOT a contender because of all the proven contenders that they would have to beat. LA, SA, Utah, PHX are your top 4 teams in the west would you not agree? And I mean proven playoff teams not teams with good records.
 

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Nice of you to chime in cheese! NO is NOT a contender because of all the proven contenders that they would have to beat. LA, SA, Utah, PHX are your top 4 teams in the west would you not agree? And I mean proven playoff teams not teams with good records.

To be honest, I think people are putting too much emphasis on "experience" in these playoffs, as opposed to matchups. What has LA proven in the playoffs? That they can get their asses beaten by us? It's a totally different squad.

To be honest, I don't know what to make of us. We're incredibly Jekyll and Hyde. That ain't a good thing going into a war.

But even that being said, what had the Suns proven in the playoffs prior to their first WCF run in 2004-5? Did you believe that team was a contender? What had Utah done in the playoffs before going to the WCF last year? Nothing. Playoff experience, especially in the first couple rounds is incredibly over-rated. Once you get to serious pressure games, WCF, Finals, then yeah, I take that into account. But first round, who knows.
 
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Cheese point is the 4 teams I listed have guys who have played and performed in the post season. You know when defense and slowing things down seems to happen. NO has a good chance to be good but the teams I mentioned have the confidense of being there and performing before. Do you consider the Rockets, Nuggets, Mavs, NO real contenders to come out of the west, honestly?
 

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Cheese point is the 4 teams I listed have guys who have played and performed in the post season. You know when defense and slowing things down seems to happen. NO has a good chance to be good but the teams I mentioned have the confidense of being there and performing before. Do you consider the Rockets, Nuggets, Mavs, NO real contenders to come out of the west, honestly?

why would I consider the Mavs, Rockets or Nuggets to come out of the West. I haven't said anything regarding those teams. I just think that NO has just as good a shot as we do, if not more.
 

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NO is unproven period like em or not they haven't proven they can perform in playoff pressure and atmosphere. They may do very well or they could just as easily get smacked in the first round never know. Until they prove it the Suns with all their playoff experience has a much better chance.
 
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NO is unproven period like em or not they haven't proven they can perform in playoff pressure and atmosphere. They may do very well or they could just as easily get smacked in the first round never know. Until they prove it the Suns with all their playoff experience has a much better chance.

I disagree because the last few weeks have all been playoff type games and New Orleans has been very consistent.

The Hornets, Pistons, Lakers and Jazz are teams I don't want any part of as a Suns fan cuzz they have SO MANY scorers.

They give us and everyone they play fits.
 

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Losing 3 out of your last 5 isn't exactly consistant even losing to the Kings and lost the west because of their little choke streak. Its not even playoffs yet and they choked away the 1st seed. Not sure why people think they are just gonna roll in the playoffs.
 

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Who are the Hornets SO MANY scorers? Paul, West, sometimes Peja pretty much it

You forgot about pargo who likes to light up the suns quite a bit. And with the hornets shooting 39% from 3, there will be no help coming on the pick and roll for the suns without a consequence. Peja and mo pete can light you up from out there. So you have Nash and shaq or nash and amare trying to defend the pick and roll with CP3 and west or CP3 and chandler, ughhh!
 

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I didn't say they weren't a bad match up for us personally, but the Lakers, Jazz, Spurs, Dallas all have the ability to beat an unexperienced NO team. As well as us, we can beat NO in a series without question if we play well, they got us 2 times barely while we were in total transition. The current Suns team if healthy can go all the way, the same can't be said about NO seriously.
 

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NO is unproven period like em or not they haven't proven they can perform in playoff pressure and atmosphere. They may do very well or they could just as easily get smacked in the first round never know. Until they prove it the Suns with all their playoff experience has a much better chance.

I just don't see why "experience" just automatically triumphs over what a team actually is. Evidence of that can be seen just from our own franchise, much less countless others. Both the 2004-5 and 1988 Suns went from the the worst team in the West to the WCF (1 and 2 seeds respectively) the next year and I'm pretty sure none of us we're saying they were a worse contender than the teams below them simply because of experience.
 

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Losing 3 out of your last 5 isn't exactly consistant even losing to the Kings and lost the west because of their little choke streak. Its not even playoffs yet and they choked away the 1st seed. Not sure why people think they are just gonna roll in the playoffs.

as opposed to us, who choked to the Mavs and then got the ever living snot beat out of us by a completely hobbled Houston team? And where did anyone say "they are gonna roll in the playoffs". People are simply stating they have just as good a shot as any of the top seeds.
 

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