Incident between Rhodes and Dockett

[DemsMyBoys]

Hold it.

There was a disagreement over defensive strategy and passions took over.

I don't have a problem with that. I hope the 2 guys will mend fences. At least they were reflecting a lot of intensity. I'd be more concerned if they were lackadaisical (though spitting, of course, is a no-no).

Note - I also was thinking about our giving up the easy touchdown and then using the additional time to "go for 8". There were both pluses and minuses to that strategy. The important thing is that, at the very least, it was plausible and worth considering.

Bottom line - Onward! (Don't look back).

Gosh, I'm glad your power came back on after Sandy.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Thats what many of you would like to believe sure. But none of you have any proof of this whatsoever and its convenient for your bash fest. More power to ya.

I have as much proof as you do that this is no big deal.

 

[Shane]

I have as much proof as you do that this is no big deal.

Exactly

 

[Mulli]

Who cares? Team is 4-8.

 

[clif]

Sorry. But this incident with DD could just as easily have happened if we were 8-4 he just a hot head. Of course because it happened while we are 4-8 you guys are using it as fuel for Whiz's fire. Big shock. lol

Not buying it. Whiz sold this team out months ago when he named Skelton the starter in week 1. It was only a matter of time. Whiz ripped out the teams heart and spit on them plenty of times before.

 

[Shane]

Who cares? Team is 4-8.

Another exactly! lol

 

[Mulli]

Another exactly! lol

 

[Dr. Jones]

Well..... You don't spit in another mans face. And you don't ignore your coaches.

I still don't think it is releasable offense but if he is suspended for the Seattle game, I would understand.

This is definitely a sign that the wheels have come off.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Not saying itd ever happen, but if someone were to go, I wouldnt miss DD.


I think hes bought into his own hype. But no true star is as inconsistent as he is. Has big games, and then disappears for weeks at a time.

We could just get a solid player in at DT, and use his paycheck on some OLB or Oline talent.

DD...in 3-4...think what his job is...see how well we are allowed to blitz up the gut, see our sack total by the LBs making plays...Dockett is doing his job and it does not show up on his own personal sack stat or tackles.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Thats what many of you would like to believe sure. But none of you have any proof of this whatsoever and its convenient for your bash fest. More power to ya.

shane, what does sand taste like?

 

[THESMEL]

thug

90 is a thug- always has been- he never handle him self well in the best of times- Rhodes and the Jets are still personal! I seen it in his play- 90 can't get his 3rd early contract- fake an injury or take a shower on the internet-

He has been good but character comes out at times this - the good and the bad. Rhodes never quit!

I agree.

Rhodes and Dockett are two different types. I think 9-0 is intensely loyal to this team. (All those signs held up at camp to re-sign him. He saw them. He knows what he and this team mean to the fans.)

It's a dust-up. If 9-0 had gone out and punched Fitz I'd say there's a problem. Dockett telling a cocky Rhodes to settle down and think about the team? Not so much.

 

[The Commish]

Yeah let's break up a key part of our Defense, which is the only bright spot on our team. Frustration sets in - I get it. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes and I'm sure we've all got into an argument with a co-worker. Granted I don't spit in people's faces but DD is a large human being whose profession is purely based on being somewhat crazy. I'll let it slide.

Knee-jerk reactions are starting to permeate around here. This is clearly a byproduct of the Griz/Whaves era which must be stopped.

 

[Bodha]

Yeah let's break up a key part of our Defense, which is the only bright spot on our team. Frustration sets in - I get it. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes and I'm sure we've all got into an argument with a co-worker. Granted I don't spit in people's faces but DD is a large human being whose profession is purely based on being somewhat crazy. I'll let it slide.

Knee-jerk reactions are starting to permeate around here. This is clearly a byproduct of the Griz/Whaves era which must be stopped.

His actions destroy this D far more than shipping him out ever would. Once you kill the relationship and continuity in the lockerroom, its 100x worse on field because theres a lack of communication between guys who hate each other.

Horton can replace DD.

Will Sutton (ASU) is friggin clone of DD. Undersized, fast, athletic, but gets more sacks on the line then anyone in college. Take him in the 3rd. Done.

 

[Cheesebeef]

my favorite thing about this story was Urban's reaction when word of this first broke yesterday. Someone asked if there was some altercation between DD and Rhodes and Urban's response was something like: "I don't know what you're talking about."

Dude's lost all journalistic integrity.

 

[The Commish]

His actions destroy this D far more than shipping him out ever would. Once you kill the relationship and continuity in the lockerroom, its 100x worse on field because theres a lack of communication between guys who hate each other.

Horton can replace DD.

Will Sutton (ASU) is friggin clone of DD. Undersized, fast, athletic, but gets more sacks on the line then anyone in college. Take him in the 3rd. Done.

Agree and love Sutton, but DTs are more difficult to replace than people think. Right now I'm of the belief that we need to hold on to our assets rather than suddenly go in full rebuild mode.

 

[SeattleCard]

Terrible thing to do to another team member.

 

[52brandon]

it's Dockett. The guy wears his heart on his sleeve and never holds back. I'm sure he was frustrated and Rhodes did something minor that set him off. But his frustration was VERY misdirected. Rhodes has been a blessing to this team since Rolle left and doesn't get the credit he deserves IMO. The guy is quietly (team stats) #3 in tackles, #2 in PDs (2 behind PP), #2 in INTs (1 behind PP), tied for #1 in both FF and FR. Spitting in someone's face is the ultimate sign of disrespect. I hope DD offers a sincere apology that Rhodes accepts and they move past it. They are both big parts of this defense

 

[Fiasco]

If Dockett went along with the "plan" the cards lose 14-6 instead of 7-6. What indication from the previous 3 quarters could lead anyone to think that the offense was capable of making a game tieing drive for overtime?

Good on Dockett for refusing to lay down.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Dockett had the Cards +6 .

 

[RugbyMuffin]

If Dockett went along with the "plan" the cards lose 14-6 instead of 7-6. What indication from the previous 3 quarters could lead anyone to think that the offense was capable of making a game tieing drive for overtime?

Good on Dockett for refusing to lay down.

+1.

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2012/12/03/report-on-dockett-rhodes-incident/

That is good to hear that the problem was over only this situation.

This is not a cut and dry call. I have had this debate with many a football coach whether it be pop-warner or college.

Some believe in trying to win the game at all costs, some concede defeat but refuse to "give" away points.

The Cardinals as a team probably said to let the Jets score, and Dockett just couldn't believe in that kind of thing.

What Dockett should have done is come out of the game, if the call on the field was to let the Jets score. Thus he doesn't have to be part of it, and the team can do what the coaches told them to do.

Tough, tough, tough situation to deal with for a defense that has already taken plenty of points against their defense for the sake of the offense's bad play.

First and foremost, Dockett has to listen to the call on the field. No doubt.

Yet, in Dockett's defense, after all this defense has been through this year, to be asked in a game where his own coach hasn't done what it takes to win the game, to "take one for the team" let the other team score on purpose because "it gives the team the best chance to win the game".

......not saying that Dockett is right, but I understand. I understand his problem with the situation completely.

As for Rhodes ? Surprise he would show the leadership to get in Dockett's face about it.

I cannot imagine the two are holding a grudge over this, which is a good thing.

If I were Dockett ? In that situation ? I would have asked to come out of the game. I won't do things like that. Just can't do it, and yes, I am wrong for doing so.

EDIT:

Found out more to the story this morning.

The situation is Dockett spit at Rhodes. ........ugh. Not good. Frustration is one thing, but you can't do that to your teammate. That is really, really bad.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

90 is a thug- always has been- he never handle him self well in the best of times- Rhodes and the Jets are still personal! I seen it in his play- 90 can't get his 3rd early contract- fake an injury or take a shower on the internet-

He has been good but character comes out at times this - the good and the bad. Rhodes never quit!

You've made your disdain for Dockett known many times.

Sooo.... All those poor kids he takes to Toys R Us every Christmas. That's just more thuggery?

Darnell is a flawed human being. We all are. But I'd not call him a thug. He doesn't deserve that.

 

[TRW]

90 has been a very, very good player for the Cardinals. In fact, he is one of my favorite players over the last few seasons. As a football player I will always appreciate his game.

However, it is despicable to spit in another person's face FOR ANY REASON, at least IMO. It is a totally inexcusable action on DD's part.

DD is, as Dems said, a flawed human being and showed his darker side (again) in this situation. Hard to understand how someone could do that to someone else.

 

[O]

“Just to clear up what happened between Darnell and me at the end of the game Sunday and some of the reports that are out there,” Rhodes said. “Yes, we had a disagreement on the field but, no he did NOT spit in my face. Absolutely did not. I’m not going to get into all the details because I think those are things you keep within the team. But Darnell and I talked after the game, we’re both moving on and I’ll leave it at that.”

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2012/12/03/report-on-dockett-rhodes-incident/

 

[RugbyMuffin]

“Just to clear up what happened between Darnell and me at the end of the game Sunday and some of the reports that are out there,” Rhodes said. “Yes, we had a disagreement on the field but, no he did NOT spit in my face. Absolutely did not. I’m not going to get into all the details because I think those are things you keep within the team. But Darnell and I talked after the game, we’re both moving on and I’ll leave it at that.”

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2012/12/03/report-on-dockett-rhodes-incident/

Nothing but two players dealing with a bad situation as stated above, but without the spitting part.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Someone smarter than I am can post the links to Dockett's tweets on this.

His most interesting comment, IMO, is saying when he's wrong he admits it. He does seem to be that kind of guy. I've little doubt he'd man up and admit responsibility if he'd done this. He also makes a telling remark about his loyalty to this team which I'd referred to earlier.

So once again a partial story is put out and everyone starts judging the people involved before the facts are actually known. Same old, same old. Sigh.