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I'm all for it in the right situation. Down 2 on your own 40 with 9 minutes left is nowhere near one of them.

I really didn't like the 2 point call either. That turned out to put us down 8 instead of 7 which added additional pressure. I just didn't see the advantage in it at that time.


that's a trend to go for it earlier so you don't need it later and if you don't get it you at least know it but I completely agree about not going for it. of course had he known they would miss an XP he wouldn't have.
 

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I cannot doubt @Harry , he has looked clairvoyant this season


Would love to see Jim Harbaugh as HC and Mike Kafka as offensive coordinator.

This team would be so much better right off of the bat
 
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we dont have much to discuss because we disagree on 2 of your 3 main points.

I believe K1 has been developed well by Kliff and that should continue.
I believe the play designs were far from poor. To me, they were an obvious +
Game management certainly needs work. I agree with you there.

Your take about K1's development is so so so wrong. Your posts about him are dripping with salt and I'm not sure why you have such a personal vendetta against K1 and KK. Its clear your posts are laden with emotion.

What are you going to do over the next decade as K1 leads our team to playoff wins and maybe a superbowl? wallow in misery?

Its not like he's the only one said it. I and several others has said the exact same thing.

You can clearly see several issues with mechanics (he's often high on throws), pocket presence, timing (he's often behind or late) and anticipation.

You take away his first 6 games as a rookie and I don't see much improvement in his passing since then.

In fact there are several throws from last year that are better on those fronts than I have seen this year. The touch and accuracy on the pass to Isabella vs the Niners that AI took to the house. The pass to Cooper dropped into a tight window between two DBs vs the Niners in Santa Clara. The deep ball on a dime to Cooper vs the Falcons. All impressed me more than anything I can recall this year.

That's not to say he hasn't had good throws and good games just that mechanically I don't see any improvement.

Take away Kyler's legs this year and he doesn't make the Pro bowl. Doesn't get talked about in nearly the same way.
 

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quickly dwindling minority?

I coulda sworn Kyler was in the National conversation for MVP at some point in year 2. How does that translate to “the majority of people” think Kyler is not developing well?

I know yesterday was a tough loss but sheesh, you guys gotta stop and smell the roses sometimes. We are getting better and it’s obvious.

He was in the conversation when he was running 100 yards a game like Lamar last year, then quickly vanished from it when he wasn't.
 

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This. All of this. ALL. OF. THIS.

Sadly, he's probably here at least another season. We all, well the majority of us on here see that KK ain't it, but it's going to take some time for the front office to move on from him. So let's all hope he grows more over the off season and begins to learn from his 'shoot yourself in the foot' offense.
 

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At least you acknowledge that the fact upon which you rely isn’t a current fact. There’s a reason for that. Regression. It’s fine to smell the roses when they are blooming, which most here did, but smelling them as they wilt seems rather daft.
Wait, was he in the MVP conversation in year 1?

if you’re criticizing the development of a QB then you have to look at the entire body of work. Can’t just pick a slump and say he’s going backwards.

He’s trending up and any contrary notion is glaringly incorrect.
 

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Wait, was he in the MVP conversation in year 1?

if you’re criticizing the development of a QB then you have to look at the entire body of work. Can’t just pick a slump and say he’s going backwards.

He’s trending up and any contrary notion is glaringly incorrect.

He's not trending upwards as a passer. They just started letting him run.
 

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Wait, was he in the MVP conversation in year 1?

if you’re criticizing the development of a QB then you have to look at the entire body of work. Can’t just pick a slump and say he’s going backwards.

He’s trending up and any contrary notion is glaringly incorrect.
I do not think this phrase means what you think it means.
 

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The same one we stopped on several other drives they didn't score.

The Niners had 11 drives and didn't score points on 8 of them. 2 due to missed FGs but also 5 punts and 1 fumble.

Odds were in our favour.
Wilson is the reason we gave up that immediate TD. Didn't matter how far out it was.
 

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet (although I haven't read all) . The team was horrible, especially on offense, but Kliff took us out of the game with dumb decisions.

Why go for the 4th and 2 on your own 40 with 9 minutes left only down 2? It was one of the dumbest calls all year. They scored instantly and put us down 8. Which meant the pressure was on Kyler on the next drive and inadvertently led to him forcing the INT.

If he punts there we can pin the Niners back, get the ball back and take the pressure off the next drive with the option to kick a FG.

That decision killed the game. It was low odds and completely unnecessary.

This!...and by all rights it should have put us down by 9 points not 8! And he knew that! He couldn’t have made a worse decision to risk our playoff lives!
This decision alone should throw up a red flag for MB about the competency of Kingsbury! If he fired him based on this alone it would be warranted!
 
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we dont have much to discuss because we disagree on 2 of your 3 main points.

I believe K1 has been developed well by Kliff and that should continue.
I believe the play designs were far from poor. To me, they were an obvious +
Game management certainly needs work. I agree with you there.

Your take about K1's development is so so so wrong. Your posts about him are dripping with salt and I'm not sure why you have such a personal vendetta against K1 and KK. Its clear your posts are laden with emotion.

What are you going to do over the next decade as K1 leads our team to playoff wins and maybe a superbowl? wallow in misery?
I’m fine with disagreement, it wouldn’t be much of a board if we all agreed. I’m just posting this to indicate I believe you have mischaracterized my position on Murray. I particularly object to your implying I have been vindictive towards him. In previous posts I have stated he is a great athlete. In this post I said he was the best running QB I’ve seen and that covers more than 50 years.

My criticism is based on a few of points, none of which is personal. Do you see Murray displaying motivational leadership skills? Please post those examples’s. Are his mechanics consistent? Here’s some that aren’t. He didn’t set up on the 2 point conversion. He threw the critical interception off his back foot. In fact, he threw multiple passes that way and does every game. He often doesn’t step into his throws. He rarely leads receivers. In this game and others his deep throws were more lobs than tight arcs. This helped the defenders and reduced YAC. Murray doesn’t slide to create passing lanes, which gets passes knocked down (he should study Wilson in this regard). Murray rarely, if ever, audibles. He also doesn’t use progressions on most throws. At least twice Saturday he threw into coverage when he had open receivers for big gains. I could continue this list.

He does a few things that show improvement. He runs more this year. He’s working on setting up once he escapes the pocket. He uses the TEs more effectively this year. He more often throws into coverage, which is fine if it’s to Hopkins or Fitz. I’ve seen other QBs take a huge leap forward in year 2. Murray’s move is more modest.

I don’t know how aggressively he’s working on improving, hopefully very aggressively. I just wish I saw it more in throwing mechanics. I’m not sure how you concluded I apparently hope he fails. I doubt, considering the few successful years I’ve experienced, that I would have stayed a fan for 55 years. I don’t just throw out opinions, I typically provide specific examples. Murray can be great, but he isn’t yet. Every great QB I seen wanted to be great and paid the price. I’ve seen far more QBs who could have been great but thought they already had it made. That they just had the magic. Talent is only one part of a great QB. It’s like the ante.
 

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So incorrect. Please show me regression as a passer from year 1 to year 2.
Turnovers. 12 INTs and 9 fumbles this season. He missed most of the SEA game last season and his stats this season through 15 games are almost identical to last season. The only difference is his rushing stats are better this season.

Also the sack numbers are down and we added arguably the best WR in the game. Not much progression from year one to year 2 IMO
 

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More riveting content from the ASFN Consultant and Senior Writer.

Where was “this” going? Almost to the playoffs when we had the #1 pick two short years ago? Thanks for warning us that we’re trending up.

Love, the ASFN Advisor and Senior BS Regulator.
“Almost to the playoffs” in a season that added a spot due to global pandemic. They played 10 of 15 games vs. sub .500 teams and went 6-4. Just because they have a better record than last year means little. They lost many, many games due to poor game plan, poor execution and outright stupidity. The staff allowed players to make the same mistakes over and over again. This season is a failure.
 

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Lose best player on defense.
Win three more games than previous year.
Add 135 point differential improvement.

=

failure?

only to the least discerning of fans I suppose
 

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quickly dwindling minority?

I coulda sworn Kyler was in the National conversation for MVP at some point in year 2. How does that translate to “the majority of people” think Kyler is not developing well?

I know yesterday was a tough loss but sheesh, you guys gotta stop and smell the roses sometimes. We are getting better and it’s obvious.
For four weeks...then quickly disappeared when the league figured he and kliff out. He has the talent, not the game yet.
 
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That decision left me SMH.
The funny thing is, I think kliff would watch this as we would on tv and think the exact same thing. He gets out there though on game days on the sidelines and completely freezes up and let's his nerves take over. Looks and feels like that to me at least. Crappy quality to have as your head coach though. Lol
 

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That decision left me SMH.

it was actually very clear: we couldn’t stop their run game. Kliff knew it. Anyone watching the game knew it. Also, we had been quite good at converting 4th down all game (and getting short throws as well in other spots/having Kyler run around their edge). Warner made a good play and they were lucky he was in a position to do so. It happens.

It was a very good decision by Kliff to go for it there given all available information.
 

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Punting the ball on 4th and 2 to a team gashing you in the run game with 8min left in game when you’re losing is just very very dumb, especially when we have a dynamic QB.
 

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To everyone crying and whining, OP perhaps most of all, you do realize that 25 teams minimum would prefer to be in our spot than theirs?

Please work on having just a modicum of humility and self-awareness.
 

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To everyone crying and whining, OP perhaps most of all, you do realize that 25 teams minimum would prefer to be in our spot than theirs?

Please work on having just a modicum of humility and self-awareness.
I guess you could probably say that to every fan considering we all do it to some degree. I could only imagine how sickening it would be to read the Patriots boards at times during the brady era.
 

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Lose best player on defense.
Win three more games than previous year.
Add 135 point differential improvement.

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failure?

only to the least discerning of fans I suppose
We just lost to a team that has the most injuries in the NFL including their top 2 QBs and their pro bowl pass rusher. 5th easiest schedule in the NFL this season and a 6-3 start.
Punting the ball on 4th and 2 to a team gashing you in the run game with 8min left in game when you’re losing is just very very dumb, especially when we have a dynamic QB.

dumb? What world do you live in? This isn’t a video game where you can just do whatever because the defense is on rookie. Before that idiotic call our defense gave up 14 points. 14!!!! Don’t act like they put up 40 in a shootout. Doesn’t negate the fact that we only scored 12 against a team that gave up 41 the week before to Dallas, who was missing 3 players from their secondary and a whole bunch of other defensive players.
 
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