Injuction lifted
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So the Owners are saying they already appealed and they think they have a better shot in the 8th court. Also saying the still want to reach a new CBA and avoid the lockout they are appealing to keep....and I was just starting to enjoy the draft. 
Mitch
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Can you imagine if free agency started 12 AM Wednesday night?
This would be the most bizarre are widely watched NFL Draft in the history of the NFL. Talk about a PR move.
Imagine this...let's go to Chris Mortenson...what do you have Chris?
"The Arizona Cardinals just signed DE Ray Edwards of Minnesota, 4 year deal worth $30M with $14M in guarantees. Guess the Cardinals are getting serious about their pass rush."
Let's switch over to Adam Shefter...what do you have Adam?
"I just got offf the phone with a reliable source that tells me that Cardinals' CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is being packaged to the Bengals in a deal that includes QB Carson Palmer."
Shefter goes on to say:
"Apparently DRC---as he is called---has put a bid in on Carson Palmer's house."
This would be the most bizarre are widely watched NFL Draft in the history of the NFL. Talk about a PR move.
Imagine this...let's go to Chris Mortenson...what do you have Chris?
"The Arizona Cardinals just signed DE Ray Edwards of Minnesota, 4 year deal worth $30M with $14M in guarantees. Guess the Cardinals are getting serious about their pass rush."
Let's switch over to Adam Shefter...what do you have Adam?
"I just got offf the phone with a reliable source that tells me that Cardinals' CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is being packaged to the Bengals in a deal that includes QB Carson Palmer."
Shefter goes on to say:
"Apparently DRC---as he is called---has put a bid in on Carson Palmer's house."
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someone knows when there will be the appeal in the 8th court
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I'm no lawyer but I don't think the NFL can tell everyone don't do anything until our appeal is heard. If the judge says there is no lockout, they have to operate business as usual until someone says they can't.
It would be impossible to just not do anything and not be guilty of collusion.
I would imagine the judge is notifying the NFL and they will notify the owners and some "game on" date will be set.
Nothing can happen until the courts answer about the appeal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/26/sports/football/26nfl.html
Buckybird
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Mitch, the question is could RG & this staff handle both? I doubt it...our draft would be screwed & we would probably still have no QB as teams beat the human sail & the Bidwills to the punch.
Stout
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The judge today refused to grant an immediate stay, which means that, if and until the NFL succeeds in their appeal, or manage to get another stay, the lockout is no more.
So at this juncture, why can't the NFL just institute any policies it wishes and deal with the individual players accordingly? There is no longer a CBA or a union to deal with.
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Sounds like a stay isn't necessarily guaranteed...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=munson/110425
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=munson/110425
They did not ask for a stay yet, they have to ask for it and no where in the doc the Judge release did it mention a stay.
Two post above this.
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I don't think the owners will mess with the players and the fans. They are in a no win situation. The building should be open in the morning. Trading and FA's should start now. I hope Whiz, Graves and Micheal are ready!
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kerouac9
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That's exactly what the players want at this point. The owners locked out the players because they'd prefer to deal with a CBA.
Stout
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Well, there's a whole host of players reporting tomorrow morning, so...guess that's wrong.
Buckybird
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Awesome. It's a free for all. No CBA so no limits on organized team activities. Get those boys in pads and hitting by Noon tomorrow Ken.
Pointless... Idiot owners
"The sources said teams were told not to open their weight rooms nor engage in any contract discussions, but to let their players in the building."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6424084
I guess they can do jumping jacks.
"The sources said teams were told not to open their weight rooms nor engage in any contract discussions, but to let their players in the building."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6424084
I guess they can do jumping jacks.
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Right that's what I meant by "game on."
ESPN had Roger Cossack on this morning and they asked him about this very thing and he said the stay situation won't take long, the NFL has know about this possibility for months, so once they have a final ruling, they will not be allowed to have a huge dead period. They will be given a date for return to business as usual.
he said for anybody to think that NFL owners could just do nothing when that happens is not realistic, they just lost this round,the last thing they will do is risk getting hit with collusion because if they have any hope at all of getting favorable treatment from the judge, colluding would destroy it.
all I was saying is the idea teams could just secretly agree to do nothing is the definition of collusion.
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I'm imagining it's just concern over injuries and insurance with the weight room stuff. Liability concerns.
Lockout in lame man's terms
So a couple or so years ago Owner #1 walks up to some of the other Owners and tells them about this "brilliant" plan. He says they get the majority of the pie back ($), add more pie (18 games), and bank on the TV money as some leverage. "Good plan" the other Owners snorted back, what can you do about that damn guaranteed rookie money?
So the time comes and they go into "negotiations" with the "Union" (only a Union when it benefits them) and they tell the Players "We aint making no money, we are going to shut it down, you darn Players ripped us off in the last CBA, we got teams that are about to fold."
"Don't shut in down, lets talk about this." the players squirmed. (Smith, the courtroom ringer started in and doing his thing) Everything goes public, with both sides willing to deal only when they have lost the leverage.
Players start to smell a rat, and now they want to see the books. TV money...hold that check. Smith brings out his plan..."What Union, we gonna sue you!"
Owners lose their leverage and suddenly they are the one's who want to talk about the deal the Players offered at the beginning of all this doodoo. Players say no way, grab your ankles.
Judge says Players are right, Owner's plan went to crap. Players will probably only budge on the rookie contracts (if they even do that). They have all the support from the court (right now that is) and swear the fans are behind them too, well I aint behind either right now. I'm chillin with the Coaches, rookies, and fanbase like everyone else watching this BS.
So a couple or so years ago Owner #1 walks up to some of the other Owners and tells them about this "brilliant" plan. He says they get the majority of the pie back ($), add more pie (18 games), and bank on the TV money as some leverage. "Good plan" the other Owners snorted back, what can you do about that damn guaranteed rookie money?
So the time comes and they go into "negotiations" with the "Union" (only a Union when it benefits them) and they tell the Players "We aint making no money, we are going to shut it down, you darn Players ripped us off in the last CBA, we got teams that are about to fold."
"Don't shut in down, lets talk about this." the players squirmed. (Smith, the courtroom ringer started in and doing his thing) Everything goes public, with both sides willing to deal only when they have lost the leverage.
Players start to smell a rat, and now they want to see the books. TV money...hold that check. Smith brings out his plan..."What Union, we gonna sue you!"
Owners lose their leverage and suddenly they are the one's who want to talk about the deal the Players offered at the beginning of all this doodoo. Players say no way, grab your ankles.
Judge says Players are right, Owner's plan went to crap. Players will probably only budge on the rookie contracts (if they even do that). They have all the support from the court (right now that is) and swear the fans are behind them too, well I aint behind either right now. I'm chillin with the Coaches, rookies, and fanbase like everyone else watching this BS.
Did you mean Layman Terms?
Although Lame Man Terms is pretty funny.
Although Lame Man Terms is pretty funny.
I'm just saying the lockout is lame man.Did you mean Layman Terms?
Although Lame Man Terms is pretty funny.
Depends. If the players are employees they are covered by Workers Compensation and any injuries would be compensated according to the Arizona WC act. So the Bidwills have no real risk in this situation.
If they are not employees then they could sue the Cards if they were injured with no limits on recovery. And the Bidwills would have a much higher risk.
Interesting from a Risk Management standpoint. Guys who are without contracts probably would not be considered employees while those with continuing contracts would.
I'm sure the Cards Risk Manager and Insurance Broker are all over this.
If not then Michael Bidwill needs to call me and Cardinals Ken and Mr.Shine and we'll put together a Joint Venture to Manage the Cards Insurance.
For reasonable compensation of course.
