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By Chris Sheridan


Latrell Sprewell is not the only one with a family to feed but with no NBA paycheck to buy the groceries.

There's also a 6-foot-7 forward with nearly 700 career 3-pointers driving dump trucks in North Carolina, a 34-year-old sharpshooter knocking down buckets in his Alabama driveway, and a six-time All-Star trying to knock off a few more pounds after melting 55 away already.

Not to mention about 25 other name guys on the loose.

Here is a look at the free agents still out on the market, what they've been up to and where they stand in terms of regaining employment in the NBA (along with an update on a few of the far-flung places some ex-NBA players have surfaced):



Sprewell: There still hasn't been a public word spoken since the end of last season by the 13-year veteran, who turned down a three-year, $21 million extension from Minnesota, making the now infamous comment that he had "a family to feed."

His representative, Robert Gist, is no longer listed as Sprewell's agent of record, and his publicist said Spree has been unwilling to speak on the record because writers always twist his words and use them against him.

Miami is the only team with enough of its midlevel exception remaining to offer Sprewell anything resembling what he believes he's worth, but the Heat have maintained they're not interested.

The Wolves can still do a sign-and-trade, but there would first have to be a team willing to give Sprewell a three-year contract -- the minimum for sign-and-trades.

At this point, the most likely scenario appears to have Sprewell sitting out until late February or early March, then becoming a hired gun -- probably an underpaid one, at least in his opinion -- for a playoff-bound team.

Rodney Rogers: Last seen hoisting 76 3-pointers for the 76ers last season, Rogers is running his construction company in Durham, N.C., while beginning to put in a few workouts in an effort to shed the excess weight he added over the summer.

"Our goal is to have him with a team by late December, early January," agent Butch Williams said.

Wesley Person: Having played for five teams over the past two seasons, Chuck's younger brother is back in Brantley, Ala., waiting for a team seeking a shooter to call.

Agent Herb Rudoy said he expects the phone to start ringing after Dec. 15, the date players who signed over the summer become eligible to be traded.

George Lynch: After being waived by the Hornets earlier this season, the 35-year-old forward and 12-year veteran was hoping to be signed by Dallas before the Mavs settled instead on Adrian Griffin.

"He can still defend, still play three positions. At this point in his career, he's trying to help a good team win," agent Steve Kaufman said.

Darvin Ham: Darvin the Dunker was last spotted at the NBA Finals, logging a total of 11 minutes in five games for the Pistons and grabbing three offensive rebounds.

Word around the league is that Philadelphia might be interested in becoming Ham's seventh team in nine seasons.

Dajuan Wagner: There was a sighting of the former prep phenom (who once scored 100 points in a high school game, lest we forget) at a Memphis-Duke game at Madison Square Garden during the NIT, but NBA teams aren't biting on a player who shot 32 percent in 11 games for Cleveland last season, even if he was the sixth pick in the draft just three years ago.

Jay Williams: After working out for the Rockets, Heat, Hawks and Raptors, Williams decided he wasn't yet ready to come back from his near-fatal motorcycle crash.

He's now in Los Angeles trying to strengthen his left leg, according to agent Kevin Bradbury, and he plans to reassess his options some time around Jan. 1.

Ron Mercer: The Nets' amnesty cut over the summer, he underwent knee surgery with Dr. James Andrews three weeks ago -- his second such procedure in the past year.

"People have inquired and I've told them he's had to have the surgery done first to get things correct," agent Andy Miller said.

Andrew DeClercq: The 10-year veteran was cleared Friday to resume full workouts after he underwent knee surgery. A big body with experience, there will undoubtedly be a job for the former Gator somewhere by the end of January.

Shawn Kemp: The Reign Man has reportedly shed 55 pounds in his effort to make a comeback 2½ years after he logged his last NBA minute for the Orlando Magic. A report over the weekend said Toronto and Denver were interested, but Raptors GM Rob Babcock said the 36-year-old is not a fit for a 1-14 team on a youth movement.

Christian Laettner: The last active member of the 1992 Dream Team is living comfortably in Florida, and it's anyone's guess as to whether he still has the desire to play professional ball.

"Several teams have inquired. It's a question of what he wants to do," agent Lon Babby said.

Rodney White: The ninth pick of the 2001 draft was cut by the Clippers at the end of training camp. He averaged 8.8 points and 17.0 minutes for Los Angeles in eight preseason games.

Marcus Fizer: Had 21 points and nine rebounds and then 15 points and seven rebounds in his first two games for the Austin Toros of the NBDL, which also is the current home of former NBA players Cezary Trybanski, Andre Barrett, Andre Emmett and Theron Smith.

Glenn Robinson: The first overall pick of the 1994 draft, who made a cameo for the Spurs at the end of last season, is home in Atlanta.

Agent Charles Tucker said four teams have called to inquire over the past month, and added, "He's ready to go, his mind is right and he's ready to move forward."

Clarence Weatherspoon: Unemployed since the Rockets made him their amnesty cut over the summer, Spoon is working out in Houston with John Lucas. Agent Jimmy Sexton said two or three teams have made preliminary inquiries, but nothing serious.

Jermaine Jackson: A victim of the numbers game in Chicago after being sent from the Knicks to the Bulls in the Eddy Curry trade. "He'll end up doing what he always does, hooking up with somebody," Kaufman said.

Qyntel Woods: Not a peep from the Staffordshire terrier fan since he was dumped by Boston on the first day of training camp.

Erick Strickland: Cut by the Mavericks in training camp, thought he might be headed to Milwaukee before the Jamaal Magloire trade went down. Still hoping to get a call.

Robert Traylor: A heart defect was discovered during a physical when Traylor was getting ready to sign with the Nets, and he underwent surgery last week to repair an enlarged aorta -- the same defect that afflicted Timberwolves guard Fred Hoiberg and Lakers draft pick Ronny Turiaf.

Travis Best: Unwilling to wait until midseason for an NBA team to call, he's plying his trade in Russia, where team owners are throwing money around the way the Greek teams did seven or eight years ago. One of Best's teammates on Unics is Lithuanian forward Saulius Stombergas, a player Spurs coach Gregg Popovich once compared to John Havlicek.

Vin Baker: Opened a restaurant (Vinnie's Saybrook Fish House) in Old Saybrook, Conn., Monday, but says he's open to the idea of returning to the NBA around the All-Star break, or next season. Reportedly agreed to a buyout of his contract with Houston, which would have paid him $3.5 million. He's still being paid $5.2 million by the Celtics.

Reggie Miller: Despite incessant chatter among Pacers fans that he'll return late in the season, Miller insists he's done. If he were to change his mind, he couldn't return to Indiana this season because it waived him under the amnesty rule.

Keon Clark: Back living in his hometown of Danville, Ill., he recently told the Toronto Star that the Pacers had called in October. But Clark said he has no interest in returning to the league, preferring to live comfortably off the money he banked during his six-year career.

Others: Not that we should expect to see them back in the NBA, but a few notable names playing in far-flung locations include Dickey Simpkins (Lebanon), Chris Herren (Iran), Ben Handlogten (South Korea), Gary Trent (Italy), Chris Morris (Jordan), Todd Day (Qatar), Chris Washburn (Switzerland) and Jelani McCoy (China).

Domestically, Rodney Buford is in the CBA with Sioux Falls, and former prep stars Lenny Cooke and Ronnie Fields are teammates on the Rockford Lightning.

Former Heat guard Tim Hardaway was Player of the Week in the ABA, where he is the player-coach for the Florida Pit Bulls. We can only hope he eventually gets a chance to play against Dennis Rodman and the Tijuana Dragons.
 
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Updated: Nov. 29, 2005, 11:27 AM ET
Why Latrell Sprewell isn't in the NBA


By Jim O'Brien


Latrell Sprewell remains at home in Milwaukee, waiting for a team to call and offer him a suitable contract. It is not totally surprising that this has not happened yet. The price tag is a little steep, especially if Sprewell expects to earn something close to the $21 million for three years he reportedly turned down from the Minnesota Timberwolves last year.

His agent, Bob Gist, bristles at any mention that his client is being blackballed because of any character issues.

"Any GM that tells you that, he's not real bright on the facts," said Gist in a recent interview. "I can understand fans saying that. But people in the industry, who have access to information about what kind of guy Latrell really is, that's irresponsible."

The coaches and management of any NBA team hold numerous discussions on players such as Sprewell and any other players who might be available. Over the course of any season, these conversations sometimes are a matter of shooting the breeze before practice or a game, or when flying to or from an away game. At other times, these discussions are part of a more serious meeting in which your boss or the owner asks you how you feel about coaching a certain someone.

When I was coaching in Boston and Philadelphia in recent years, Sprewell's name came up several times, informally. In each case I said I would coach Sprewell, and I said it without hesitation.

Are there character issues? Sure. He choked P.J. Carlesimo while at Golden State, cursed at New York Knicks head honcho James Dolan during a game at Madison Square Garden and was suspended last season for cursing at a woman in the stands.

Why, then, would I want him on my team? Simply because he would help my team win.

Gist was right. Based on what I have heard around the league, Sprewell is generally thought of as a pretty good teammate by those who have played with him. He is also a guy who plays extremely hard every night out. He has built a reputation as a defender who won't back down. And he knows the game.

Jeff Van Gundy told me, "What people don't realize about Sprewell is how intelligent he is about the game of basketball. He has a very high basketball IQ. He is a player that competes to win every night out."

There is no better endorsement than that of a former coach. If the offseason reports were true about new Pistons coach Flip Saunders' being interested in reuniting with Sprewell, it sounds as though his last two coaches have similar feelings about what Spree brings to the floor.

So what's the problem? Besides the price tag, it's the production.

Sprewell put up some very good numbers until last season. After averaging 18.8 points per game for his career, his 2004-05 scoring average slid to 12.8. More than anything else, this drop is at the heart of the matter.

When Mother Nature comes knocking, a player's skills can diminish quickly. While the 35-year-old Sprewell has shown he is durable (missing only two games in his two seasons in Minnesota), age is a factor in the way teams are evaluating Sprewell.

There is another concern, as well. According to reports, Sprewell made more than $14 million last season. When a player like Latrell reaches the point in his career where he can't command top dollar any longer, it can be a major shock to the player's psyche.

Point guard Kenny Anderson helped the Celtics win 49 games during the 2001-02 season, his last year of a very big contract. I remember telling Chris Wallace, our general manager at the time, that I enjoyed coaching Anderson but that it would be awfully difficult to be his coach the first year after a major pay cut. We knew from experience that offering a player substantially less than what he is used to would make it difficult psychologically for him to re-sign with us. If a player did return under those circumstances, he usually wouldn't be a happy camper.

A player's prospective role also can be a factor in a team's decision making. There has been some speculation that various teams were interested in Sprewell during the summer. But word is that Spree has balked at the idea of coming off the bench. Whether this is true or not in Sprewell's case, as a rule taking a lesser role can be an issue with an aging star.

This was illustrated last year in Philadelphia, during our experience with Glenn Robinson. In training camp, Robinson was beaten out for the starting small forward position by Andre Iguodala.

When I told Robinson he was not going to start, he took it fairly well. One of the reasons he took it well was that we told him we would try to move him to a situation that would be better for him. At the same time, we made it clear to him we would not give him away because his contract was potentially valuable to us because he was in his last year.

Early on, he said he had problems with his lift because of arthritis and/or tendinitis somewhere in his legs or feet. We could never get a clear read on the severity of his injuries.

A couple of weeks into the season he started to practice again and seemed ready to play. Kenny Thomas had started the season poorly, and I told Robinson this was a perfect time for him to return to the lineup. He could start at the four spot, and we would run a lot of the offense through him. He said he was not a power forward and that he couldn't play anyway because he was still hobbled.

I couldn't be sure what was wrong, but my feeling was that, while he had some tenderness in his legs, he wanted the league to think that he was hurt rather than be demoted or moved from his usual starting spot at the three. Through all of that, I was reminded of how important it is to some players to retain a certain role to which they have become accustomed.

A handful of teams will approach Sprewell about playing for them during this season. He can be the piece that gets a team into the playoffs or deeper into the playoffs. There is no doubt in my mind that he can be a serious contributor somewhere. His durability will be a bonus in negotiations.

The bottom line is how much Sprewell wants to play basketball. Gist says Sprewell will not accept a veteran's minimum of $1 million, and I believe him. In my mind, he is worth a lot more than that, but he created a precarious position for himself by turning down the Timberwolves' offer.

When you get into professional basketball, you know it is a business. You produce, you get paid. If production falls, you either get paid less or you don't get paid at all.

To get a bigger contract, Sprewell is probably going to have to prove that he is worth substantially more by lacing them up and helping a team get to the next level.

When all is said and done, as with many other aging players, Sprewell must come to grips with whether he needs basketball more than basketball needs him -- and at what price.
 

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Others: Not that we should expect to see them back in the NBA, but a few notable names playing in far-flung locations include Dickey Simpkins (Lebanon), Chris Herren (Iran), Ben Handlogten (South Korea), Gary Trent (Italy), Chris Morris (Jordan), Todd Day (Qatar), Chris Washburn (Switzerland) and Jelani McCoy (China).

I think it's kind of funny that they didn't mention Casey Jacobsen.
 

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Sprewell is an idiot.


Any guy that would turn down $21 million and tell the media that he needs a bigger contract because he has to feed his family is an idiot.
 

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Interesting names on that list--wonder if we are any of the teams that made contact with some of those guys?
 

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Chaplin said:
Interesting names on that list--wonder if we are any of the teams that made contact with some of those guys?

It wasn't that long ago that several people on this board were ready to trade good players for Fizer.
 

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Interesting names on that list--wonder if we are any of the teams that made contact with some of those guys?

I could see the Suns being interested in DeClercq. He has the right skill set and paint job.
 

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I'm serious when I say this - Bring in Kemp. If anyone has seen him recently they can back me up when I say that he is in Amazing shape. They did a small segment on him a few weeks back on Sportscenter. He looks like he did when he was 25.

It's worth at least working him out, seeing as how Phoenix really needs a big.
 

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I'm serious when I say this - Bring in Kemp. If anyone has seen him recently they can back me up when I say that he is in Amazing shape. They did a small segment on him a few weeks back on Sportscenter. He looks like he did when he was 25.

It's worth at least working him out, seeing as how Phoenix really needs a big.

His agent is Tony Dutt. Even if there was a fraction of a slim chance that the Suns would show interest, that fact alone completely rules him out.
 

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It would all depend on Kemp's attitude. If he's truly repentant and would say things to Stoudemire like "You're everything I could have been if I had stayed straight, don't blow it," then he could be really valuable. But if he's going to set a bad example or be grousing about all of his lost glory, he's not worth it.
 
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elindholm said:
Interesting names on that list--wonder if we are any of the teams that made contact with some of those guys?

I could see the Suns being interested in DeClercq. He has the right skill set and paint job.

I thought the same thing when reading the article..........Well, I really did not think about the paint job....:)

I still do not understand what happened to Fizer? At one time I thought he was going to be a good player. In one game against the suns a few years ago he was a monster, and he is the size of Karl Malone. I knew he had a leg problem, but thought that was healed. Maybe the knee took it's toll on him?

The suns are not signing Kemp, you can forget all about that.
 

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I still do not understand what happened to Fizer? At one time I thought he was going to be a good player.

I think I read once or twice that he had a serious attitude issue. He never seemed to be able to earn regular minutes with anyone, at least not the last several years.
 

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The bottom line is there's major dirt on every one of these guys or they'd be on a team.

Some desperate team might take a chance on one of these guys but I'd be really surprised if the SUns showed any interest.

As for Kemp, as long as Jerry Colangelo has any say the Suns will NEVER take a chance on a guy with drug issues.
 

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The bottom line is there's major dirt on every one of these guys or they'd be on a team.

Some desperate team might take a chance on one of these guys but I'd be really surprised if the SUns showed any interest.

As for Kemp, as long as Jerry Colangelo has any say the Suns will NEVER take a chance on a guy with drug issues.

.....I dont know...Someone check if William Bedford is available.....:thumbup:
 

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.....I dont know...Someone check if William Bedford is available.....:thumbup:

Speaking of which...i never realized that Bedford was the 6th pick and Roy Tarpley was selected 7th right after......?

You think they were doing crack in the green room in New York together....?

That has to be the most snakebit draft of all time........heres an interesting link..

http://probasketball.about.com/od/nbadrafthistory/a/1986NBADraft.htm

what other draft can claim more good players in the second round than the first?

The 80's were just crazy........

Like Rick James said

"Cocaine is a hell of a drug......"
 

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Of all the names on the list, Chris Washburn was strangest. He was the #3 pick in the 1986 draft and was a total stiff (think Bedford with a bad attitude). George Karl was the Warrior's coach when he was selected and his pushing for Washburn was part of the reason he was fired. If Washburn is still playing at all, it shows that there is always somebody who needs a big man.
 

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Thanks for the link, AF.

Is it just me, or did Len Bias' untimely death turn a very good player into a mythical hero? This guy was really good, maybe All Pro good, but he was not LeBron James going into the league. It even took Michael Jordan three years to settle into his role as the greatest basketball player ever in that era, and Len Bias was not MJ. I feel badly for Bias' family, but the kid was no closer to NBA greatness than any other great athlete with some hoops skills. I guess I'm just really irritated that some people feel obligated to attribute success where there was still some considerable work to be done. I'll call it Hank Gathers syndrome. Who knows? Maybe he would have followed the path of Glenn Robinson or some other shoulda-been.

My most underrated choice from that draft is Buck Johnson. Guy played an important role on some very good teams.
 

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"My most underrated choice from that draft is Buck Johnson. Guy played an important role on some very good teams."

Are you sure you're not thinking of 'Buck' Williams? Buck Johnson doesn't ring the faintest bell with me and I've followed the league pretty closely for a very long time.
 

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Thanks for the link, AF.

Is it just me, or did Len Bias' untimely death turn a very good player into a mythical hero? This guy was really good, maybe All Pro good, but he was not LeBron James going into the league. It even took Michael Jordan three years to settle into his role as the greatest basketball player ever in that era, and Len Bias was not MJ. I feel badly for Bias' family, but the kid was no closer to NBA greatness than any other great athlete with some hoops skills. I guess I'm just really irritated that some people feel obligated to attribute success where there was still some considerable work to be done. I'll call it Hank Gathers syndrome. Who knows? Maybe he would have followed the path of Glenn Robinson or some other shoulda-been.

My most underrated choice from that draft is Buck Johnson. Guy played an important role on some very good teams.

If you're saying that great college players don't always turn into great pros that's obvious but Len Bias was one incredible college player.
 

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Is it just me, or did Len Bias' untimely death turn a very good player into a mythical hero?

Wow, talk about a forbidden topic; you have guts to bring it up. I've always kind of thought the same thing. I think the fact that he was been drafted by the Celtics during their glory days has encouraged all of the exaggeration. Had he been drafted by a scrub team, people wouldn't still be making such a big deal of it 20 years after the fact.
 

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The bottom line is there's major dirt on every one of these guys or they'd be on a team.

Some desperate team might take a chance on one of these guys but I'd be really surprised if the SUns showed any interest.

As for Kemp, as long as Jerry Colangelo has any say the Suns will NEVER take a chance on a guy with drug issues.

see Richard Dumas. They gave him a 2nd chance and he blew it.
 

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Isn't Kemp Amare's idol?? That will be a nice boost for Amare! lol


To be honest, I think Spree is a great player. Besides his attitude, I really think he can help this team. Maybe attitude is a huge problem in team basketball but if he is willing to play for cheap contract, then I don't mind bringing him in..... or this is something very bad? lol Imagine Nash and Spree fought in the locker room?
 

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Gaddabout said:
Thanks for the link, AF.

Is it just me, or did Len Bias' untimely death turn a very good player into a mythical hero? This guy was really good, maybe All Pro good, but he was not LeBron James going into the league. It even took Michael Jordan three years to settle into his role as the greatest basketball player ever in that era, and Len Bias was not MJ. I feel badly for Bias' family, but the kid was no closer to NBA greatness than any other great athlete with some hoops skills. I guess I'm just really irritated that some people feel obligated to attribute success where there was still some considerable work to be done. I'll call it Hank Gathers syndrome. Who knows? Maybe he would have followed the path of Glenn Robinson or some other shoulda-been.

My most underrated choice from that draft is Buck Johnson. Guy played an important role on some very good teams.

I watched Bias play as a college player, he was a top tiered talent. The guy had incredible hops, maybe better than Jordan. It was such a tragedy. Who knows as a pro, but with a cocaine habit he would have been nothing. David Thompson was a player (NC state, ABA) that had the best vertical jump I'd ever heard of(52"), and he destroyed himself physically with cocaine. I remember seeing thompson in an ABA all star game, he flew over and past a young Dr J, and no-one else ever did that to my recollection. But a few short years later, poof, gone. To have it all and lose it due to your own actions is not a hero, thats for sure.
 
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