Interesting comment from Ron Jaworski

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Was listening to Gambo and Ash and Jaworski said while the line has been underperforming, Marcel Shipp has also missed a lot of holes causing a few potential 6-8 yard runs to become losses.

I know it's trendy around here to bash o-line, but can we agree that Marcel has been just as bad this year?

 

[blindseyed]

What's JJ's problem then?

 

[joeshmo]

What's JJ's problem then?

Same thing and then some.

 

[blindseyed]

Same thing and then some.

I concur...lol

 

[Shane]

No offense to Jaworski because hes one of the best. But I watch every game twice. Even the disheartening losses. Im curious as to what hole hes seeing?

 

[blindseyed]

No offense to Jaworski because hes one of the best. But I watch every game twice. Even the disheartening losses. Im curious as to what hole hes seeing?

The hole in Merril Hoge's head...

 

[Pariah]

I know it's trendy around here to bash o-line, but can we agree that Marcel has been just as bad this year?

No, we can't. I think the general consensus is that Shipp is making more out of nothing than Arrington at this point in the season.

Even Russ (unashamed Arrington jocker) concedes that with the line playing like it is, Shipp is more suited for the starting roll.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Sorry Shane, but Jaworski has access to every camera angle and specifially mentioned he watched the endzone camera and that Shipp was missing holes. He has a much better vantage point than the sideline angle we get and knows much more about the game than you or I. I doubt he's mistaken so why would he lie about it?

This isn't supposed to be a Arrington-Shipp comparison as they both have been pretty bad. I only brought it up to point out that while the line play has been dismal there's other reasons our running game is in the dumps.

 

[JeffGollin]

Marcel, of late, did make some poor decisions; ignoring the hole he was given and trying to bounce outside with too little speed and quickness.

But it's not as though he would have picked up a gazillion yards had he lowered his shoulder and cut into the hole either. But he would have picked up 2 or 3 yards instead of losing 3 or 4.

The offensive line isn't blocking. The RB's (both Shipp and JJ) aren't running. No doubt the negative things from the backs and O-linemen feed off one another. It's infectious - The backs don't trust their blockers, and the blockers don't feel it's worthwhile to give extra effort if the RB isn't going to take advantage of it.

Nothing succeeds like success. You gotta hope that sometime, somehow we're going to get lucky. A couple of holes will open up and our backs will begin to establish some of that so-called rhythm. So far this hasn't happened. I think it will have to if we're ever going to get our running game on track during the remainder of the season.

 

[Goldfield]

Shipp is doing OK for the small amount of blocking he gets. But I do see him cut away from the hole and it was a bad move.

I have to agree with Jaws. Tivo proves him correct.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Sorry Shane, but Jaworski has access to every camera angle and specifially mentioned he watched the endzone camera and that Shipp was missing holes. He has a much better vantage point than the sideline angle we get and knows much more about the game than you or I. I doubt he's mistaken so why would he lie about it?

This isn't supposed to be a Arrington-Shipp comparison as they both have been pretty bad. I only brought it up to point out that while the line play has been dismal there's other reasons our running game is in the dumps.

Somehow, I really doubt Ron Jaworski spends a lot of time watching Cardinal running plays from different camera angles.

 

[conraddobler]

Somehow, I really doubt Ron Jaworski spends a lot of time watching Cardinal running plays from different camera angles.

Maybe not a ton of plays but he backs up what he says and he wouldn't say it if he hadn't watched a pretty good number.

Fact is I agree with him.

This line isn't any better or worse than last years line that Emmitt was able to hit a few holes in.

There is a reason it's been years since Shipp has scored a TD, he dosen't see the holes.

I think Arrington does the same thing and also gives a tell about when he's going to get a carry, he jukes way too much also.

It's not out of the realm of possiblities that the problem could be our RB's and the line at the same time.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Somehow, I really doubt Ron Jaworski spends a lot of time watching Cardinal running plays from different camera angles.

Yep, Jaworski just makes stuff up because he's biased against Shipp. That makes a lot of sense.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Maybe not a ton of plays but he backs up what he says and he wouldn't say it if he hadn't watched a pretty good number.

Fact is I agree with him.

This line isn't any better or worse than last years line that Emmitt was able to hit a few holes in.

There is a reason it's been years since Shipp has scored a TD, he dosen't see the holes.

I think Arrington does the same thing and also gives a tell about when he's going to get a carry, he jukes way too much also.

It's not out of the realm of possiblities that the problem could be our RB's and the line at the same time.

fair enough. I agree that Shipp is not a long term answer. But he's currently playing better than JJ (some on the board are contending that JJ is coming on).

Anyway, maybe a 2nd tier RB in FA (like the bert berry of RBs) is our best option for 06'.

I hate drafting RBs. talk about a crap shoot.

 

[conraddobler]

fair enough. I agree that Shipp is not a long term answer. But he's currently playing better than JJ (some on the board are contending that JJ is coming on).

Anyway, maybe a 2nd tier RB in FA (like the bert berry of RBs) is our best option for 06'.

I hate drafting RBs. talk about a crap shoot.

I hear that.

Unless of course you are Denver and just poop them out on command.

The last good Cardinal runningback was Otis Anderson... that is a frightening gap, just astonishing really.

 

[cardfanforever]

I hear that.

Unless of course you are Denver and just poop them out on command.

The last good Cardinal runningback was Otis Anderson... that is a frightening gap, just astonishing really.

Now I disagree with that statement. Otis Anderson was our last GREAT running back. Stump Mitchell was our last good running back.

 

[blindseyed]

Now I disagree with that statement. Otis Anderson was our last GREAT running back. Stump Mitchell was our last good running back.

You're obviously forgetting Leeland McCelroy....

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

y'know, i had completely forgotten about deangelo williams. anyone know how he's doing this year? if we miss out on leinhart and bush, maybe deangelo becomes the pick . . . i'd be stoked with him.

 

[Russ Smith]

y'know, i had completely forgotten about deangelo williams. anyone know how he's doing this year? if we miss out on leinhart and bush, maybe deangelo becomes the pick . . . i'd be stoked with him.

Struggling mightily this year. He's only averaging 6.9 YPC 10 rushing td's, 3 games over 200 and another at 198. He projects to just under 2000 this year and I agree I'd love to get him.

 

[joeshmo]

y'know, i had completely forgotten about deangelo williams. anyone know how he's doing this year? if we miss out on leinhart and bush, maybe deangelo becomes the pick . . . i'd be stoked with him.

He is tearing it up. 6.9 yard average with 10 TD's. Tied for third on the team in receptions with 9. Is on pace to break the 2000 yard mark. His weight is at about 220/ The injury he suffered last year isnt holding him back at all. But he wont have his real test unil he plays Tennessee who has a pretty good dline.

 

[vince56]

Now I disagree with that statement. Otis Anderson was our last GREAT running back. Stump Mitchell was our last good running back.

No, Garrison Hearst was. We misused him.

 

[Matt L]

reggie bush!!!!!!!!!!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Anyway, maybe a 2nd tier RB in FA (like the bert berry of RBs) is our best option for 06'.

I think that you could consider Travis Henry to be that, (or at least you could at the end of last year) We could have traded him for someone that we decided to cut anyway.

I still dont see why we didnt make that trade.

 

[Shane]

No, Garrison Hearst was. We misused him.

Actually Thomas Jones was and this organization blew that big time.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think that you could consider Travis Henry to be that, (or at least you could at the end of last year) We could have traded him for someone that we decided to cut anyway.

I still dont see why we didnt make that trade.

Because Henry was a huge risk? In case you missed it he's suspended 4 weeks for violating the drug program. Which means he had strikes already against him. Given his history of money and contract problems does anybody really want to give up anything for a guy in the last year of his contract one strike away from a 4 game suspension?