Interesting rumor...

[LVCARDFREAK]

Originally posted by kerouac9


I love how there is NO EVIDENCE that Parsons can do jack against legitimate NFL competition in games that count, but he's like the most popular QB in the state of Arizona. What a joke.

I agree.

I have seen very little from Parsons, and although he may show something in a game (a la McCown) we havent seen it yet. Maybe it is b/c he went to NAU-I dont know, but he is certainly expendable

 

[football karma]

My rationale for trading up:

1. Hopefully, this will be as high as the Cardinals will be drafting in a long while. These opportunities are rare, where you have a high draft choice and a couple highly rated QB's to choose from. The Cardinals have the opportunity to draft a highly rated player at the most important position on the field. Given this teams historical problems with that position, I dont think they can just sit around and hope the player theywant falls to them-- pay the price (which is in all likelihood a reasonable one) and get the guy you want.

2. I beleive the NFL and all of us grossly over value draft picks coming after the middle of the second round. Paying a couple third round choices (as suggested in the article I posted above) to get the person you prefer is peanuts. Go look at historical drafts in the second and third round and later-- you will find far more "misses" than "hits".

3. As for the "but he could be a bust" argument, every high draft choice at any position has that risk.

This draft is about a lot more than just 2004 and filling a hole or two.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by en fuego
My rationale for trading up:

1. Hopefully, this will be as high as the Cardinals will be drafting in a long while. These opportunities are rare, where you have a high draft choice and a couple highly rated QB's to choose from. The Cardinals have the opportunity to draft a highly rated player at the most important position on the field. Given this teams historical problems with that position, I dont think they can just sit around and hope the player theywant falls to them-- pay the price (which is in all likelihood a reasonable one) and get the guy you want.

2. I beleive the NFL and all of us grossly over value draft picks coming after the middle of the second round. Paying a couple third round choices (as suggested in the article I posted above) to get the person you prefer is peanuts. Go look at historical drafts in the second and third round and later-- you will find far more "misses" than "hits".

3. As for the "but he could be a bust" argument, every high draft choice at any position has that risk.

This draft is about a lot more than just 2004 and filling a hole or two.

you are indeed, en fuego. couldn't agree more.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by en fuego
...These opportunities are rare, where you have a high draft choice and a couple highly rated QB's to choose from...

I don't buy this arguement. It seems like every year there are a couple of highly-rated QBs to choose from at the top of the first round. In 2003 it was Palmer and Leftwich, in 2002 it was Harrington and Carr, 2001 was different with only Vick being head and shoulder above everyone else in the draft (arguably, the league) including Leonard Davis, but it seems like very good QB prospects come out at a rate of about two per season. That's good, because it lowers the comparative price of either of the prospects.

I just don't think that the arguement that franchise-type QB prospects (which is what we're really talking about--no one knows how these guys are going to turn out) are rare holds water.

 

[JeffGollin]

To me, the only reason the Cards might want to trade up is if the front office feels it just has to have Manning. Otherwise, you're right. Stay put and most likely get one of the two QB's or Taylor or one of the WR's.

 

[football karma]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I don't buy this arguement. It seems like every year there are a couple of highly-rated QBs to choose from at the top of the first round. In 2003 it was Palmer and Leftwich, in 2002 it was Harrington and Carr, 2001 was different with only Vick being head and shoulder above everyone else in the draft (arguably, the league) including Leonard Davis, but it seems like very good QB prospects come out at a rate of about two per season. That's good, because it lowers the comparative price of either of the prospects.

I just don't think that the arguement that franchise-type QB prospects (which is what we're really talking about--no one knows how these guys are going to turn out) are rare holds water.

K9 -- you are right about QB's coming out -- but it seems like they go in the top 10, if not top 5 pretty consistently. However, while we are all used to the Cardinals perrenially drafting high, I hope that going forward, it wont be the case as usual.

Even if you are bad, you could be out of the top ten. The Cardinals were a St. Louis 4th down conversion and a Carolina missed field goal away from being 6-10 and drafting 12th or so -- completely out of the running of one of the QBs. As bad as this team was this year, they were awfully close to having a middle of the first round draft position.

Nobody knows how Eli Manning is going to turn out, but if I had my choice between having a Pro Bowl QB or a Pro Bowl Safety (or WR), I know what I am choosing.

 

[NMCardfan]

How can you argue against trading up for Manning? He's got a great bloodline, and he's been a stud in college. I'd love to have a franchise quarterback like him. We can address our other needs with the rest of the draft, and free agency. I have no problem giving up a second and third draft pick for Manning. Imagine the buzz it would create if we got him. We don't need another rookie receiver since we've already got two good ones.

That's my two cents anyway. Go Cards!

 

[JeffGollin]

How can you argue against trading up for Manning? He's got a great bloodline, and he's been a stud in college. I'd love to have a franchise quarterback like him.
It's easy to argue against trading up - because each of us has differing views as to how good Eli is and his potential importance to the Cardinals. (That's what fan boards are for).

Having said that - your opinion certainly has some degree of merit.

Note - I think if you look back in history, there have been some clubs who have ridden the blue-chip QB on to victory (example - Denver and Elway). But there are others who have gone that route and laid a great big egg (example - Chargers and Ryan Leaf). And there have been other teams who have ridden on the backs of QB's salvaged from the scap heap (example - Rams and Kurt Warner). And there have been teams who have gone that route and remained crappy for many a decade (example - I think the last time the Cards used a #1 on a blue chip QB was the supplemental pick on Rosenbaugh).

My point - Denny and Rod are going to do what they're going to do. And the only criteria for determining if they make the right decision will be if - in the end - "it works!"

If it does, they're geniuses. If it doesn't, you can add them to the long list of coaching and GM flotsam and jetsom cluttering up the Cardinals' long and checkered history.

 

[CatBoxBackFan]

Originally posted by JeffGollin
How can you argue against trading up for Manning? He's got a great bloodline, and he's been a stud in college. I'd love to have a franchise quarterback like him.
It's easy to argue against trading up - because each of us has differing views as to how good Eli is and his potential importance to the Cardinals. (That's what fan boards are for).

Having said that - your opinion certainly has some degree of merit.

Note - I think if you look back in history, there have been some clubs who have ridden the blue-chip QB on to victory (example - Denver and Elway). But there are others who have gone that route and laid a great big egg (example - Chargers and Ryan Leaf). And there have been other teams who have ridden on the backs of QB's salvaged from the scap heap (example - Rams and Kurt Warner). And there have been teams who have gone that route and remained crappy for many a decade (example - I think the last time the Cards used a #1 on a blue chip QB was the supplemental pick on Rosenbaugh).

My point - Denny and Rod are going to do what they're going to do. And the only criteria for determining if they make the right decision will be if - in the end - "it works!"

If it does, they're geniuses. If it doesn't, you can add them to the long list of coaching and GM flotsam and jetsom cluttering up the Cardinals' long and checkered history.

Nice reply