Intresting Spivey Interview

[Brandon_Webb]

So far Canseco's 3/3.

1) Right about McGwire
2) Right about Jason Giambi
3) So far he's right about Ivan Rodriguez (Lost 22 lbs. since last year)

Because thats pretty difficult to guess that McGwire and Giambi were on the roids. Considering it was known before his book came out.

 

[UncleChris]

Add HGH to the mix and it gets even more complicated...

As to the flaxseed oil horse-doody.... I'd like to see the container this stuff came in that the users were confused..... I did a google search and everything I could find that had testosterone in it was clearly marked as such.....

These guys knew what they were doing.... :

 

[AZZenny]

I think I would trust AZZenny more then Jose.

So far Canseco's 3/3.


Thank you, Brandon. I may not use steroids, but I slept at a Holiday Inn last night. (Actually, my grad school minor was Endocrinology, lonmg ago.)

Look, how can anyone be a Canseco supporter/apologist - he ALSO lied on the stand! I heard him recently saying he believed in steroids and thought they were great. But when put on the spot, without blushing, he tells Congress, 'Oh, I wrote that 2 years ago, I don't believe that anymore. They're bad for you.' I mean that was such flagrant suck-up bullwash!!

 

[WildBB]

There's a Giants pitcher, Jason Schmidt who added like 5 mph on his fastball in one offseason 2002-2003. Tell me what was up with that?

 

[moviegeekjn]

There's a Giants pitcher, Jason Schmidt who added like 5 mph on his fastball in one offseason 2002-2003. Tell me what was up with that?

A steady diet of rubber bands

 

[UncleChris]

A steady diet of rubber bands

 

[AZZenny]

I believe Helton - he's been consistent, no change in body type, and this is just the kind of 'yellow journalism' we've come to expect from sportscasters. Everybody wants their 15 minutes. (Who would have imagined Andy Warhol would have been so right!!)

Former Rockies broadcaster said star used steroids
By Jack Etkin
ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS

SURPRISE - With anger, disgust and disbelief, Todd Helton responded Sunday to an allegation made by former Colorado Rockies broadcaster Wayne Hagin that Helton used steroids.

"I don't know why he would say something like that, especially when he doesn't know what he was talking about," Helton said. "It's ridiculous having to defend myself. It doesn't seem right to me, because one idiot doesn't know his facts."

Hagin is a broadcaster for the St. Louis Cardinals. Saturday, Hagin went on the ESPN radio affiliate in St. Louis and said former Rockies manager Don Baylor told Hagin that Helton had tried steroids but was told by Baylor not to use them.

Rockies manager Clint Hurdle said Hagin's remarks were "ego-fueled" and in "poor taste."

General manager Dan O'Dowd said he left a message with Cardinals general manager Walt Jocketty to express the unhappiness of the Rockies organization, adding he didn't know whether Jocketty could do anything since Hagin is not employed by the Cardinals but by radio station KMOX.

"It's really a shame," O'Dowd said, "And we're very upset about it, especially for a player of this caliber and a person of this caliber, who does everything the right way."

Sunday morning, Baylor, who is the Seattle Mariners hitting coach, said he remembered reading a story in the Rocky Mountain News in 1998, Helton's first full season in the majors. In the story, Helton said he uses creatine, a bodybuilding supplement, during the off-season. He said he did not use it in the the regular season because he works out sparingly.

The story was written Aug. 27, 1998, shortly after a steroid precursor known as androstenedione was discovered in the locker of Cardinals slugger Mark McGwire. He admitted taking the substance, which was subsequently banned by Major League Baseball.

"Steroids, we never discussed at all," Baylor said, referring to his conversation with Helton. "It was just creatine that you could buy at the GNC (vitamin store) and everybody was taking at that time."

Baylor said he told Helton about problems such as muscle cramps associated with taking creatine.

"I don't think he was hooked on creatine," Baylor said. "He was just taking it. Steroids never, ever entered my mind with him."

Helton, who traveled with the team Sunday on an away game for the first time this spring, said he recalled his conversation with Baylor that occurred in Milwaukee, where the Rockies began a series Sept. 1, 1998.

"He said, 'You don't know what's in creatine,'" Helton remembered. "'Being the type of hitter you are, you don't need to be any stronger. You just need to be the same guy you are now.' "

Helton said he was "very shocked" to learn of Hagin's charge, which he branded as "pretty much ridiculous."

"It just angers me that Wayne Hagin would tell a story that's wrong, and he called it a fact," Helton said. "It just shows you, I guess, what kind of a journalist he is."

Hurdle has as much history with Helton as anyone in the Rockies organization. Hurdle was the Rockies roving hitting instructor in 1995 when Helton was drafted in the first round out of the University of Tennessee, the eighth player taken overall.

"I've known this kid since he's been in the organization, and all he's ever done is work hard and spend time in the weight room when he didn't want to do that," Hurdle said. "… People ask me, I'll tell them what I've seen. I've seen a guy that's just been hellbent on becoming the best baseball player he can be naturally. That's all I've ever seen."

Helton said he weighed 216 pounds when he came to spring training in 1996 and is 218 or 219 now.

"Anybody can see by looking at me the past 10 years that I've been with the Rockies that I haven't changed that much," Helton said. "Maybe a little fatter, maybe a little skinnier but muscle-wise, I've always been the same guy."

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

I thought about it. Canseco isn't full of **** when it comes to steroids. So far he's been right on EVERYTHING.

Im looking for a link to an ESPN article that was posted here a while ago about all of the ridiculous errors in his book. I tried searching both here and on ESPN, but couldnt find it. If anybody knows what Im talking about and knows where the link is, Id be most appreciative. Canseco has been far from "right on everything."

Edit: although, Google provides tons of factual errors in the book.

Look at Gonzo on Houston, then look at him now. He's definatley developed a lot of muscle that I, nor not many people on this forum could develop in a short period of time.

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Doesnt look all that different to me, not that I am implying in any way that athletes looking differently automatically means they are on steroids.

I think it is funny that only a month ago you said this about Gonzo...

Eh. I'm doubtful. The reason Gonzo hit that many homers that year was

1) His swing was flawless. He was hitting everything pitched inside and outside to him. To show this his OBP jumped from .392 to .429, I don't see how Steroids can do this.

2) He had backup. He had Grace, Durazo, Reggie, behind him in the lineup and then Johnson and Schilling dominating on the mound.

3) He was healthy. Whenever Gonzo plays 162 games a year, he hits at least 30 homers.

Why the sudden change of heart?

 

[Phill11]

Im looking for a link to an ESPN article that was posted here a while ago about all of the ridiculous errors in his book. I tried searching both here and on ESPN, but couldnt find it. If anybody knows what Im talking about and knows where the link is, Id be most appreciative. Canseco has been far from "right on everything."

Edit: although, Google provides tons of factual errors in the book.

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Doesnt look all that different to me, not that I am implying in any way that athletes looking differently automatically means they are on steroids.

I think it is funny that only a month ago you said this about Gonzo...

Why the sudden change of heart?

Lets say I've lost my AZ fan bias and I've also looked into the steriod issue a ton this past month.

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You can't get arms and veins like that from just weight lifting. Well you could, if you lifted NONSTOP for years.

 

[AZZenny]

You could get arms like that from an intense lifting program just fine. My once-buff ex-spouse did. You just have to be either a full-time athlete or a body-image narcissist. Or both, maybe.

Gonzo IS well-known - has been featured in fitness mags - for an extremely demanding daily workout regimen, including weights, which he has done for many years. (Although it appears aerobics is not a big part of it. LOL.)

Now mind you, I do think the 57 HR total was ...enhanced. But I don't see much physical evidence before or since that he's juiced.

 

[Phill11]

You could get arms like that from an intense lifting program just fine. My once-buff ex-spouse did. You just have to be either a full-time athlete or a body-image narcissist. Or both, maybe.

Gonzo IS well-known - has been featured in fitness mags - for an extremely demanding daily workout regimen, including weights, which he has done for many years. (Although it appears aerobics is not a big part of it. LOL.)

Now mind you, I do think the 57 HR total was ...enhanced. But I don't see much physical evidence before or since that he's juiced.

Jose Canseco's been featured in Fitness magazines... He's taken Roids.

But Gonzo has really not been even pointed out in the media, which as a DBack fan is good, but as a MLB Fan isn't good. We need to start using the * next to players...

We just need proof.