Is anybody rooting against the US Olympic Basketball Team?

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I guess I'm not but having them embarassed by the rest of the world may humble them a bit. I am getting tired of arrogant "street cred" players like AI thinking he's all that. It might also help the younger players to get schooled at a younger age so they can see how important team work is.

If they aren't going to win the gold I almost want them to lost the next game. Get it over with if they can't compete and let them really be humbled. I think I'd be more proud of us winning gold in other events anyways....
 

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I'm not rooting against the United States because, as a United States Citizen I would like then to represent our country well and win.
 
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I'm not rooting against the United States because, as a United States Citizen I would like then to represent our country well and win.

But the thing is I don't know if I want to have them represent the US. Many of them make me feel like they are premadonnas who just make millions and think they are a gift from god like AI and Carmello Anthony. They make millions of dollars but they can't play hard defense through the whole game. I do want Duncan, Marion and Amare to do well but many of the players don't deserve to be on the team. I don't think they've earned it at their age. If they do do really poorly maybe they'll go back to the old way of doing things or maybe they'll change the selection committe. Right now they aren't fun to watch and don't play with much passion. I just hope things are different next time around.
 

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I want them to win, but in a way an embarrassment here will prove to the Olympic Committe that what they need is better shooters. If it aint broke, don't fix it; now that it is broke, hopefully it will be fixed.
 

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I'm rooting against them - plain and simple. I don't think this team should be representing us and the NBA AS A WHOLE needs a freaking wake-up call. Play the game and LOVE the game or stop telling us how great you are or referring to yourself in the first person and get the hell off the court (this is more directed at the Super-Superstars who I can't stand right now). Do you know how ridiculous it would sound to even think about MJ making up names for himself or referring to himself in the third person - or Magic Johnson complaining about practice. The entire NBA makes me sick right now - and personally I believe they need to be embarassed to bring the game back to alevel of humility and true love in order to flourish again. You might not understand the logic in my post, but it makes sense to me.
 

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The loosing won't be a wake up call for anyone. It will be blamed on the people who didn't show. Perhaps the USA committee will think about a permanant team, but even that is doubtful.

It most definitely won't be a "wake up call" to the NBA. The game is what it is. Most likely it will evolve into something else in 15 years. From what I have read, people had strong dislikes to the showtime era, and wanted their old style of play back. Now, people want that timeframe back instead of the current.

For me, instead of rooting against what we all knew was a poorly assembled team, I am going to root for them. I realize them loosing will not bring about a lot of changes, and the pride of winning the gold (in the face of this much adversity) would mean more to me than the miniscule effect these games will have on the leage.
 

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I have a dream...

I don't like it...I don't like this losing AT ALL. This gets in the way of my NBA worshipping. I mean when I watch NBA I like to think I'm watching the best Bball on the planet period. Yeah yeah I know foreign guys play in the NBA but they still are a minority...its still mostly good ole USA homegrown in the league. I want to believe that we can put together a team that is virtually unbeatable and scares every other team (country) on the planet....like it used to be!!! Remember when every other team in Olympics was SCARED of us and WORSHIPPED the dreamteam? I want that mystique back!

Some of you want us futher humiliated now? Wasnt the World Championships fiasco a couple years back enough for you?? If that wasn't enough I think our recent losses are more than enough for my tastes. I mean like it's not funny or cute anymore...its just embarrassing. You guys and your wanting to see our "superstars" humbled because of their Bling Bling or whateva...well hey dudes this is too high a price to pay because it's starting to affect my attitude and making me think WTF are we doing on the boards talking about these guys...since they're normal human looking shmo's now instead of the superstuds I THOUGHT we had. You guys can be like "Well we didn't send Shaq..KG..JK..da da da" but I say our dominance should so pronounced that we shouldn't have to send our cream of the crop 1st stringers every time out!!!! Plus when you look at who we have over there and the names on that team lets not cry a river over it because these are guys we IDOLIZED just the same. I mean if we had those names on the SUNS like Duncan, Iverson, Lebron, Marbury, Okafor, Odom (Not including our own Amare + Marion) we'd be all giddy with glee talking how many Suns Championship Rings will be had. But because this team is playing in the Olympics instead of the NBA now we're like...."We should have sent our best"....IT SHOULDN'T MATTER. I mean who did we lose too?? Puerto Rico and some other junk team/joke country I cant even remember now!

I want TEAM USA to come back from this. I dont care if they have to scratch their way back from the abyss...I dont even care if they have to wear ear plugs to block out the laughter from the rest of the world. Do what you got to do and get it done!
 

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I'm rooting against them - plain and simple. I don't think this team should be representing us and the NBA AS A WHOLE needs a freaking wake-up call. Play the game and LOVE the game or stop telling us how great you are or referring to yourself in the first person and get the hell off the court (this is more directed at the Super-Superstars who I can't stand right now). Do you know how ridiculous it would sound to even think about MJ making up names for himself or referring to himself in the third person - or Magic Johnson complaining about practice. The entire NBA makes me sick right now - and personally I believe they need to be embarassed to bring the game back to alevel of humility and true love in order to flourish again. You might not understand the logic in my post, but it makes sense to me.

I agree man. I'm sick of the superstar syndrome in the NBA. The different set of rules certain players, and even teams get. It's BS. Get back to playing it for the love, for the team aspect, rather then the individual which in turn means... the alright $.

I truly believe when Kevin Garnett rejected that 115 Million contract a few years ago, the league was readying itself for a selfish and egotistic era like never before.

i mean i'm all for superstars... but when your a superstar... you ought to act like it... and have also earned it.
 

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Would you want your team (Basketball, Football, Baseball, Hockey, etc) that has a shot at Championship to lose for whatever reason? Not everyone is from USA, fan of Basketball, etc but if you want them to lose other than those reasons - I'm not sure I follow logic? Not hating BTW but would it really change the game here in USA - if most are saying International game is different and most NBAers rather have Championship than Olympic Gold. In NBA I'd rather see Duncan, Garnett, McGrady, S O'Neal, Bryant, J O'Neal, Amare, etc than Dirk, Peja, etc - there will be players Internationally I like (Kirilenko, Ginobili, Lampe, Barbosa, Cabarkapa, etc) and I'm not forcing you to enjoy same players I like or style but if NBA sent best players and a few players that can shoot... USA would win Gold.

I'm Italian but it was disappointing living in Arizona all my life, Team USA lost that game. Outside of no contention for NBA Playoffs and again I'd prefer they win and adding a high Draft Pick - if you're a fan of USA Basketball, there are no Draft Picks to be gained... I can't change your mind but it sucks IMO that they lose being a fan. If you're not a fan, then ignore this message ;) I didn't mean to jump on anybody but I guess I don't agree with losing games.
 

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Not every NBA Champion went undefeated or at the 2002 World Championship's (Serbia-M.) neither... USA could still win Gold.
 

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I really don't see how team USA losing will affect the NBA game. I'm certainly not going to cheer against the national team for the ever so slight chance that it will. Everybody and their mom realizes that this was a poorly constructed team. It was thrown together at the last minute because of all of players who dropped off the team within the last year. Still, the selection committee should have known from the debacle at the world championships and they simply HAD TO HAVE some shooters to win.

As I said in a previous post I really don't see how we can blame of players who are there in Athens trying to win. In fact if I have one complaint about Larry Brown that he has been constantly complaining about their effort. I'm pretty sure most of that is a motivational tactic, but I don't think it's fair to the players. If Shawn Marion, LeBron James, Richard Jefferson, Marbury, etc. but suddenly shoot the ball like Vince Carter, Ray Allen, Tracy McGrady, Mike Bibby, etc. it would be no questions about effort.

I've been thinking about the players who dropped off the team. IMO it's completely fair to blame some of them for these problems. If they didn't want to play in the Olympics is summer they shouldn't have joined the team in the first place. Obviously Jermaine O'Neal, Jason Kidd, and a few others have had serious injuries that they are recuperating from. I don't think it's physically possible for them to be playing right now. But guys like a Mike Bibby, Ray Allen, Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter , etc. should be there.

Basically I'm frustrated with this situation, but there's no way I want team USA to lose. I don't think that's going to solve anything.

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I understand and somewhat agree with you Cheesebeef, but I can't root for the USA to lose. I don't care if it is swimming, vollyball, softball, diving, basketball, or your name the sport. I will be rooting for the people that are overthere representing the USA.

Larry Brown is right, these players are going to have to work extra hard and adapt to win any medal in these games. If they do they will be worthy of our respect despite any other me-me attitudes they might have.

Pokerface, the aura is gone. It is an international game now and I think basketball as a sport is better for it.


GO USA.
 
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Here it is....

Those absent share the blame

By Jim Caple
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ATHENS, Greece -- If there had been a guy dressed up in a gorilla suit, I would have sworn this was just another meaningless NBA game in Seattle in January instead of the Olympics. There was a dance team wiggling and jiggling during timeouts. There were volunteers tossing rolled-up T-shirts into the stands. There was the pounding sound of pop tunes that haven't been popular in years.


Most importantly, there was a team of NBA players just going through the motions.
"I'm humiliated,'' U.S. coach Larry Brown said after his team's 92-73 loss to Puerto Rico. "Not with the loss -- I can always deal with the wins and losses -- but I'm disappointed because I had a job to do as a coach, to get us to understand how we're supposed to play as a team and act as a team.''
Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson, LeBron James and the rest of NBA Inc., will take the official blame for America's first Olympics basketball loss of the Dream Team era, but at least they showed up Sunday. If little else. Just as it did during the Olympic preliminary games, the U.S. played poorly against inferior opponents. The U.S. can still easily reach the medal round -- all it has to do is finish in the top four of its six-team bracket. The question is not whether the players can bounce back, though, it's whether they want to.
"If we didn't bounce back,'' Dwyane Wade said, "we wouldn't be Olympians.''
No, Dwyane. You wouldn't be Olympians if Shaquille O'Neal, Kevin Garnett, Vince Carter and the other marquee U.S. players had not dropped out when called upon to represent their country.
Those guys are really the ones to blame for the poor Olympic performance so far. I'd call on John Ashcroft to retaliate by wiretapping their phones except for the fact that he probably already had even before they returned their regrets to USA Basketball.
But you know what? I was delighted to see the U.S. lose to Puerto Rico and so were thousands of fans surrounding me. This isn't some American bashing -- calm down, Ann Coulter, I'm still upset about the way we got jobbed out of the gold medal in 1972. And this isn't some anti-professional athlete bias -- if you're going to hold the world's greatest sporting competition, you better invite the best athletes, regardless of tax bracket.
No, I'm just sick of the whole Dream Team thing.
It was a little fun the first time in 1992, when we saw perhaps the greatest basketball team of all time play. But it started losing its appeal as soon as the players under the contract of one shoe company used the American flag to cover up the logo of another shoe company. It was a petty act, and it only got worse with each subsequent Olympics.
What is so aggravating is the way the basketball team sets itself apart from the rest of the world's Olympians -- both literally and figuratively. Following in the grand tradition of luxury accommodations, this year's team is staying on the Queen Mary II, anchored outside of town and protected by NATO.
Why shouldn't they? They're not Olympians -- that's beneath them. They're the Dream Team, and they can't be bothered hanging with mere world champions like Paul Hamm and Rulon Gardner. I still remember how the 1996 team marched into the stadium well behind the other U.S. athletes, as if they were their own country, which they probably thought they were. Given the way the U.S. Olympic committee caters to the basketball team's every whim, I was just surprised Li'l Penny wasn't the flagbearer that year.
Now we have Athens, the year the NBA players turned the Olympics into the Pro Bowl. Shaq, KG and about half the league made up reasons why they couldn't play, but the bottom line is they didn't want to play or were too scared to come to Greece. That leaves the U.S. with a team that includes Carlos Boozer and Shawn Marion. This isn't a dream team. It's a Hollywood Squares B list.
After the U.S. lost by 22 to Italy in the prelims, no one should be surprised by a 19-point loss to Puerto Rico. Everyone knew this team couldn't shoot.
The problem isn't Sunday's loss. With the way the game has blossomed around the world, it's no shame for the U.S. to lose to any country in any venue. Puerto Rico guard Larry Ayuso, who dropped 15 on the U.S. on Sunday, is a living example of how basketball is the world's sport. "We're a small island with a big heart,'' he said.
Ayuso was born in Puerto Rico, moved to the Bronx as a child and then was adopted by a family in New Mexico as a teenager. He played basketball for Hank Bibby at USC, had a couple minutes with the Spurs and spent last season with an Istanbul team. He even has a business card: Elias "Larry'' Ayuso, Combo Guard/3 Point Shooter.''
"I hate to see the U.S. lose but I have to root for my little brother,'' said his adopted brother, Domi Taylor. "It's an achievement to beat the U.S. team. I love the NBA -- I'm a big Lakers fan -- but the big problem is the U.S. is not a team.
"They need to get the college players back. At least when they lost, it wasn't an embarrassment. But they looked like they didn't care tonight.''
That's the problem. The players don't care, and the fans don't care anymore, either.
The good news is we can fix this. And we don't need to go back to a collegian-only team or see whether Magic Johnson wants to make another comeback. All we need is one simple rule. And here it is.
Players can make any amount of money. Players can wear any shoe. Players can employ any number of posse members. But if they want to play in the Olympics, they have to stay in the Athletes' Village. If they aren't willing to share a bathroom with their fellow Olympians, if they aren't willing to pluck their hairs from the drains and squeegee the water from around the shower, then the Olympics just don't mean enough to them.
And if they don't, then they shouldn't bother to show up.
Now that basketball is a worldwide sport, the U.S. isn't going to win the gold medal every Olympics. That's OK. But if we can't field a winning team every time out, at least we can field a likable team.
 

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Obviously, I'm rooting against them. That's not a warm and fuzzy feeling, knowing a guy that I respect like Tim Duncan will be effect by it, but it's a necessary evil to change the misguided direction of American basketball. We are playing a hybrid game that takes away much of what made the game great to watch and play. It's nothing more than entertainment, not competition. I hope we get the message and make the changes needed to bring the game back to it's base.
 

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Joe Mama said:
Basically I'm frustrated with this situation, but there's no way I want team USA to lose. I don't think that's going to solve anything.

Joe Mama

I totally agree. I will never root against my country, when the contingent there is there for the right reasons; especially to represent their country, something many of the top players felt was unimportant.
 

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Lars the Red said:
Obviously, I'm rooting against them. That's not a warm and fuzzy feeling, knowing a guy that I respect like Tim Duncan will be effect by it, but it's a necessary evil to change the misguided direction of American basketball. We are playing a hybrid game that takes away much of what made the game great to watch and play. It's nothing more than entertainment, not competition. I hope we get the message and make the changes needed to bring the game back to it's base.


They haven't really changed anything since finishing 6th in the world championships. Why would they change if we have another bad showing?

Also I don't see that the olympic results will effect the NBA.
 

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Here it is....

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Some of this article I liked. Blaming the loss on the players that didn't show isn't valid. We got pounded by a group of NBA castoffs, has beens, and an 'oh by the way' point guard. I don't see where we should need the best there is to beat that group.

The fix we need is to invite the defending national champ college team to play in the game. Buy the damn insurance policy for a guy like Okefor and whoever else is eyeing an NBA career. Get the best possible team on the floor. Don't go running to the NBA for some All-Star team of guys that really don't want to be there and have no interest in participating in the spirit of the games.

The college kids are better equipt to play against the international competition from the standpoint of facing zone defenses, playing team basketball, and having less of a physical grind put on them due to their shorter season. Let's put it back into the hands of those that will embrace it.
 

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SirChaz said:
They haven't really changed anything since finishing 6th in the world championships. Why would they change if we have another bad showing?

Also I don't see that the olympic results will effect the NBA.
The World Championships were a blip on the radar screen. The Olympics are a techicolor embarrassment for all the world to see and the NBA is officially the butt of every joke.

You may be right. I would hope someone with a sack would step up and say, 'our product isn't very good and we need to change it'. Of course David Stern isn't that someone, but we can hope that it could happen.
 

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Lars the Red said:
The World Championships were a blip on the radar screen. The Olympics are a techicolor embarrassment for all the world to see and the NBA is officially the butt of every joke.

You may be right. I would hope someone with a sack would step up and say, 'our product isn't very good and we need to change it'. Of course David Stern isn't that someone, but we can hope that it could happen.


True the World Championships are an non-event to most people but you would think that those in the basketball world (ie Rus Granik, David Stern, USOC) would recognize a problem and fix it before it became a big embarrassment. Of course maybe they don't see a problem. If the 9 guys that couldn't/wouldn't go were playing team USA could just overwhelm the competition with talent and size, regardless of the style they normally play.
 

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SirChaz said:
True the World Championships are an non-event to most people but you would think that those in the basketball world (ie Rus Granik, David Stern, USOC) would recognize a problem and fix it before it became a big embarrassment. Of course maybe they don't see a problem. If the 9 guys that couldn't/wouldn't go were playing team USA could just overwhelm the competition with talent and size, regardless of the style they normally play.
For these guys to retool the NBA, which means officiating, marketing, CBA, the whole ball of wax, will take a very firm commitment and I don't see Sterno as having it.

If we are now being lead to believe that the only way we can compete against the teams of the world, many of which are populated with benchwarmers of the NBA, is with the absolute best of the best, then we may as well disolve the entire league because we have been sold a sack of crap.

I found it very interesting listening to Chuck Daly the other day on the radio and his comments regarding the original dream team. He said that if the former Yugo team had not been broken up and they had played the original DT, it would have been a struggle like no other. He said it easily could have gone either way and respect that Yugo team as being one of the best teams ever assembled in history. Nice to know that not everyone see's the physical dominance as being the only criteria for a successful team.
 

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This thread bothers me a bit. To think that anyone would cheer against their country is disappointing. It's not that the team doesn't work hard or play hard it's just that they may not be a great "TEAM". Just because they are all great players doesnt make them a great team. But it is very very sad to think that someone would actually root against their country.
 

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But it is very very sad to think that someone would actually root against their country.

I'm not rooting against the U.S. team, but I think you're getting a little carried away. One of the freedoms we celebrate in this country is the right to express our own opinions. The Olympic team represents our country, but that's not the same as being the country. Our country has political representatives too, and it's considered common -- appropriate, in fact -- for roughly half the population to "root against" those representatives in the voting booth every election. The Olympics are just games, and if someone feels like the men's basketball team doesn't represent the country in ways that he's comfortable with, it's perfectly appropriate to root against them.
 

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elindholm said:
But it is very very sad to think that someone would actually root against their country.

I'm not rooting against the U.S. team, but I think you're getting a little carried away. One of the freedoms we celebrate in this country is the right to express our own opinions. The Olympic team represents our country, but that's not the same as being the country. Our country has political representatives too, and it's considered common -- appropriate, in fact -- for roughly half the population to "root against" those representatives in the voting booth every election. The Olympics are just games, and if someone feels like the men's basketball team doesn't represent the country in ways that he's comfortable with, it's perfectly appropriate to root against them.


Just like they have the freedom to be downers and root against their own country we have the freedom to be disappointed in their lack of spirit.
 
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