Is it really smart to trade down?

[Cheesebeef]

we're totally going to beat a Seattle team that's already clinched a playoff spot and is resting their first, second and third string starters for the playoffs, nullifying this entire conversation and taking us from a position of power in the draft to the same reactive team we always are waiting for a guy to drop for us, only to see someone take him right before or jump over us to take him, leaving us to take a ILB, who's converted to a RB and that we ultimately see as out LT of the future.

 

[overseascardfan]

Bosa did not miss time last year. I’m not sure where you’re getting that source from? 1 injury in college ≠ injury prone. When you see blue chip type talent, you take him no matter what.

Man, Oliver having a little “meltdown” cause of a jacket is nothing to a Suh type situation. Hell, Aaron Donald has had plenty of meltdowns & that still doesn’t stop him from arguably being the best player in the league. I’ll take the so called meltdowns if Oliver is even 90% of Donald.

I’m not gonna argue you on your opinion on Big Q. I disagree, but I do respect it.


Main reason I don’t want to trade down because I don’t want to draft most likely inferior players to the best & most safe player in the draft. I’m reaching here, but just imagine watching Bosa dominate on another team while we draft Reddick or Humphries part 2. Good Lord, how angry I would be. I love Peterson, but I’d MUCH rather trade him for a 1st + 3rd than to trade down from the #1 spot. He’s going to be 30 soon. I doubt he stays after his next season even though he said different some weeks ago.

Also, outside of Jonah, none of those players are worth top 10 picks, not even the LSU players, imo. Greg Little, Derrick Brown, & Dexter Lawrence aren’t even 1st round worthy.

Damn, got him mixed up with his brother about injury last year. To me there is no clear #1 in this draft, a team needing a QB could take Herbert #1 overall and Bosa could go #3 if a team preferred an interior DL like Oliver or Williams than a pass rusher. I think ARZ NEEDS a WR and FA does not offer any option that would be better than Harry but if ARZ dropped down to #7 they could still get an Oliver who I have a feeling will drop (not out of Top 10 but out of Top 3).

 

[Jetstream Green]

I guess I just see it as totally different between "smart GM" and "having a plan that can blow up in your face." It's all a calculated risk, but I think even the NFL's best GM has a really major chance of moving back with a few guys targeted, and losing them all, because you can't predict everyone else's decisions, good or bad.

Also, you know the draft must be coming up when we start arguing again, haha.

True dat lol

 

[Dan H]

Someone will become the next scout infatuation and we will be able to move down and get an impact player. This time last year it would have been laughable for Mayfield to go first, it was Darnold all the way.

 

[GatorAZ]

I don't buy Bosa as a generational talent. Outstanding technician, high motor, but physically not your typical 1st overall pick. Oliver would be the physical freak, but too many questions about scheme, character and positional fit. Quinnen like most Bama DL pretty much maxed out in terms of potential and not a very sexy position. When going interior DL with the 1st overall pick, you want a Suh type prospect.

I'd rather trade down and target a legit PP successor in Greedy Williams who can upgrade our ever worrisome CB2 spot immediately. Then draft OL and DL in the 2nd, since we get an additional 2nd from the trade. DL is so deep this year that 1st round talent will be on the board well into the 2nd round. For 2020 we'd hold two 1st round picks, which will only help our depleted and roster that needs young talent everywhere. Right now I couldn't even list 10 players I'd like to keep around. That's a signal that we should try to acquire quite a few additional draft picks over the next couple years.

Not being Clowney/Garrett doesn’t mean he’s “not your typical #1 pick physically”. After the Bust-diche debacle the Cards need to put more emphasis on motor and polish. Q-Williams has the opportunity to vault himself to #1 because with a big game next week vs an elite QB/HC/OL. They’re similar caliber prospects right now but I’m a little weary of DT’s because they could struggle with weight issues. Lil’ Bosa’s frame/weight is nearly lab-created perfect.

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[Chopper0080]

Yes, keep in mind the discussion is about trading down causing a team to give up a tremendous player. Since it subscription I’ve just copied a couple of recent paragraphs on Fisher,
“Reid started Fisher at right tackle in the Chiefs’ 2013 season opener, a road victory over the Jaguars. But Fisher had received criticism for much of his first four seasons, as he struggled at times to match the strength and athleticism of pass rushing linebackers such as the Broncos’ Von Miller, the Steelers’ James Harrison and the Bears’ Khalil Mack, who previously played for the Raiders.

For his upside in reliability, Fisher’s play, for many analysts, solidified him as a competent starter, just not one who justified being the top pick in the draft. Many fans also placed blame on Fisher for his holding penalty against Harrison — which negated a game-tying, two-point conversion pass — in the fourth quarter of the Chiefs’ divisional playoff loss to the Steelers in 2015.”

I would agree that Fisher has not developed into Johnathan Ogden. That being said, taking a guy #1 who then becomes easily one of the 17 best players in that draft at a premium position is far from being a disappointment IMO. I would take that every draft.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

with the right GM it is.

Rumor has it the Giants have eyes for Justin Herbert. I hope he comes out and the Giants offer us a sweet deal.

Something like this

Cards get number 9 overall pick

2019 second round pick

2020 first round pick

We could get ed oliver and possibly kneal harry ( who is another Alshon Jeffrey or Sutton ) and an offensive lineman

If we cant get fair value for the first pick my guy is Williams DT alabama. Dude is quick as a cat and a trained hands fighter.

Sapp or Donald type talent.