Is it time to move on from Kyler Murray

[WakeForestCard]

The comparison isn't even close, considerably higher TD rate, more yards on fewer attempts and far better rushing stats and way less turnovers. What ridiculous point were you trying to make? "Here's a QB that is worse but if we break up the numbers into a per game size then he's still way worse but it looks closer?"

For clarity on the stat lines being discussed, extrapolated out to a full 17 game season, would be: (I am drawing no conclusions, but figure it'd be easier for others (or maybe just me) to discuss in full season sample size format)

Stat	Kyler	Jones
Completions	385	387
Attempts	581	612
%	66.29	63.2
Yards	3,836	3,745
Yards/Attempt	6.6	6.1
Passing TDs	22	17
INTs	9	13
Rushes	97	98
Rushing Yards	646	298
Rushing TDs	5	0
Fumbles	13	4

 

[Garthshort]

Here are some facts for you. These are Kyler's stats after the GB game in 2021 excluding his horrid playoff game. I use this because it is a clear line of demarcation in his QB play.

29 games played.
9-20 record. .310 win %
657/991 66.29 completion %.
6455 yards. 225.65 yards per game.
37 TDs. 16 INTs.
166 rush attempts for 1102 yards. 38 yards per game.
8 rush TDs. 22 fumbles. (not fumbles lost) .75 fumbles per game.

Essentially this Kyler's average game log.

22.65 completions
34.17 attempts
66.29% completion %.
225.65 yards
1.27 passing TDs.
0.55 interceptions

5.72 rush attempts
38 yards rushing
0.27 rushing TDs
0.75 fumbles

Have to admit that you're confusing me. Which stats are Geno's?

 

[602 Native]

The panic posting for K1 detractors is fun to watch.

 

[Chopper0080]

I didn't know this would be so confusing to some. Here are the points.

1 - When discussing Kyler Murray as a player, you have to break his career into two different eras. His early career from Game 1 to Game 40 (the Green Bay game in 2021) and game 41 to game 69. The first period of his career had an ascending trajectory while the second period has a descending one.

2 - The current Kyler Murray is the game 41 to current version and that version has produced stats on a per game level closer to Daniel Jones per game numbers so far this year. That is the quality of player in terms of stats, that he has been over his past 29 games.

 

[Chopper0080]

The panic posting for K1 detractors is fun to watch.

I don't know what this means. What panic?

 

[kerouac9]

game 69

Nice.

 

[Chopper0080]

Have to admit that you're confusing me. Which stats are Geno's?

In comparing both Geno and Kyler since 2022 (when Geno became a starter) their stats are not comparable. Geno has been a far better QB.

Kyler's per game stats after the GB game to current have been more comparable to Daniel Jones per game stats this year.

 

[kerouac9]

There should be a 30 for 30 on WTF happened to Kyler's brain after that Green Bay game.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

So, the comps for Murray in this thread are Justin Fields and Daniel Jones, lol.

No worries and nothing to see here. We’re set at QB.

 

[SOCALCARD]

This lousy team with Kyler is as close to winning a championship as I am to bagging Taylor Swift. Actually I’m closer.

 

[QuebecCard]

This lousy team with Kyler is as close to winning a championship as I am to bagging Taylor Swift. Actually I’m closer.

Your delusions aside, I don't think Taylor would appreciate having to share you with Bret.

You are going to have to pick a lane, so to speak.

 

[Chopper0080]

There should be a 30 for 30 on WTF happened to Kyler's brain after that Green Bay game.

It’s pretty wild for sure.

 

[pemory09]

Well, as many have stated, he’s our starter for a while still. Beyond that, strictly backup material. And while I believe he will be better this week than last, Purdy will clearly outplay him today (yes, I know, Purdy has a ton better talent surrounding him, but he makes also makes *way* better decisions).

 

[Vacard]

You didn't see those hard counts and emproachment calls during the KK era

 

[Vacard]

Alright DEFENSIVE holding!!

 

[Vacard]

Kyler changing plays at the LOS. ASFN said he cant do that

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I know the coaching staff wants to get him comfortable with the shorter stuff in the pocket but the offense is just so much better when Kyler’s moving around with tempo and we are just letting it fly.

There’ll be some turnovers but the upside is worth it.

 

[Solar7]

Bad play calls, not even trying for the first. Kyler throws flat footed with a bad stance. What a baller.