Is Marion the weak link?

[Covert Rain]

Marion is without a doubt the weak link on our team... He is a head case, and overrated... Yes you heard right, he is OVERRATED. I have never heard a players name mentioned so much and then hear that they never get recognition. In my opinion he gets too much recognition because lets look at him for what he is... A GARBAGE MAN. All he is good for is cleanup baskets and alleyoops. His jumper is one of the worst on the team, NOT JUST ASTHETICALLY EITHER. I am sick of Shawn Marion and always hearing the same stuff about him, because he never performs in the crunch. He goes into the fetal position and says how the pressure is always so much more for him.

How about pressure for Nash, he is the 2-time MVP and controls the offense every possession. Or Amare, who has to guard Tim Duncan and other big men. Amare was at one time going to be the future of the NBA before his knee set him back. Then Amare had to listen to everyone say he would never be as good of a player as he was, (he isn't as good or athletic, he just developed a jumper... Imagine 2004 athleticism of Amare with 2007 jumpshot and vision.)

If Marion doesnt get ousted this summer I am going to be real disappointed because it is him in the locker room that is causing the majority of the problems and it is him that doesnt show up with the effort for big games... It is like he is always trying to prove something, well Shawn you are proving the wrong points, why don't you prove that you are a max contract player and then once you do and we win the finals... we will send you to Memphis or Charlotte where you can average 24 and 12 while shooting 38% from the field. Marion is a piece of S

Ridiculous. Too ridiculous for too many reason to even bother wasting the energy to comment. Oops. Sort of just did.

Lets break this down. Do we match him up against, Duncan? Nope, Oberto/Elson, maybe but nope. Ginobili? This may be the only option, but Raja is already play superb against him. If you move him to Parker and try to fix that problem, you will be gaining another one in Ginobili.

On offense, he is either being smothered by Bowen, or hanging around the perimeter. He should be crashing the boards on offense but he isn't. I understand the need to want him back in transition if Parker is his man. But since Bell is most likely on the perimeter, he can at least guard him if Parker goes on the fast break from Marion crashing the offensive boards. Bell on Parker a few possessions a game will be fine.

Marion needs to step up and play a better game defensively. It is as simple as that.

It's not that simple because Marion cannot guard Parker. If he does it tonight I will eat my words. I mean even if Marion plays better against Parker....Parker still gets what 25?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

It's not that simple because Marion cannot guard Parker. If he does it tonight I will eat my words. I mean even if Marion plays better against Parker....Parker still gets what 25?

Move Marion to Ginobili and Bell to Parker. Parker still gets 25, while Manu gets 25 as well.

 

[Covert Rain]

Move Marion to Ginobili and Bell to Parker. Parker still gets 25, while Manu gets 25 as well.

At least San Antonio gets a more balanced attack. I really don't think Parker gets over 20 with bell on him. No way.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

At least San Antonio gets a more balanced attack.

I pray that the Suns win tonight. I am going to have a hard time reading posts in this forum if we somehow lose.

 

[Covert Rain]

I pray that the Suns win tonight. I am going to have a hard time reading posts in this forum if we somehow lose.

U and me both. However, I will take the time to ROAST D'Antoni then I will probably take a break. Don't think I can stomach it.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

if Marcus banks get minutes, he can disrupt TP. The suns could still run and gun but they need diaw to be a better playmaker.

the problem I have with shawn is, he is not physical. Last season I thought PHx became a better team when raja bell clotheslined kobe. we were down 3-1. it doesnt matter you have to fight for evry possesion. Shawn marion plays like a wussy. when you have a guard that makes a living in the paint and just beat you off the dribble, you knock him down and make him think twice about going in there again.

Shawn has done his soft fouls before when we were up by 3 vs wizards he softly bumped gilbert whoi made a spectacular shot but hwen you are up by 3 you make sure he doesnt make it.

Phx will lose this series becuase they lack the intimidator inside whichj makes it hard to control the paint. SHawn is not that guy but shawn is going to be making 16 million next year. He is talented and helps phx out a lot but He still depends on nash to be effective. he is limited on offense and is pushed around on defense by bigger PF.

Its true I am harsh on shawn but He is an all star and he should start to play like it. Lamar Odom with one shoulder and a bad elbow outplayed him. He got beat to rebounds and he scored at will.

I love shawn but he is not worth 16 million. NAsh is only making 11 and amare is making 14. Diaw is overpaid and so is Shawn. he is the 4th best player on the team but he is the highest paid.

If nash was getting 16 million I would not be complaining. the fact is marion is a garbage man and if phx as a team just work on fundementals shawn is expendable.

I dont think he will have a good game 2. I dont see how this game is different from the games he plays vs the spurs in seasons past. He is in no means a clutch player. when was the last time he made a game wining shot or tip in.

Phx has proven it can win in the regular season but the playoffs is where it counts. they went to WCF last 2 yrs and i think they wont get there this season. They do need to mature with one another but shawn's contarct is too big. He is an allstar player with a superstar salary.


I Love marion but he has become the sleeper of his draft class to an inconsistent, overrated role player.

I see what you are saying, the only problem I have with Banks is that he sucks.

 

[msdundee]

If Marion doesnt get ousted this summer I am going to be real disappointed because it is him in the locker room that is causing the majority of the problems

Strongly disagree on that one. Marion's been around for eight years. This is the first year we've heard anything about dissension in the locker room. According to quite a few reports, your BJ namesake gets considerable credit for any discord.

 

[kps0001]

Here's a mind boggler for you. Where would we have been without Diaw last year?

True but he has apparenlty been given a free pass this year. I know there have been some outspoken posters voicing their displeasure with Diaw but nothing compared to what we have seen with The Matrix. With Diaw the excuses are only he came into the season out of shape and he can't seem to find his niche with Amare back.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Lets break this down. Do we match him up against, Duncan? Nope, Oberto/Elson, maybe but nope. Ginobili? This may be the only option, but Raja is already play superb against him. If you move him to Parker and try to fix that problem, you will be gaining another one in Ginobili.

On offense, he is either being smothered by Bowen, or hanging around the perimeter. He should be crashing the boards on offense but he isn't. I understand the need to want him back in transition if Parker is his man. But since Bell is most likely on the perimeter, he can at least guard him if Parker goes on the fast break from Marion crashing the offensive boards. Bell on Parker a few possessions a game will be fine.

Marion needs to step up and play a better game defensively. It is as simple as that.

why NOT put him on oberto/elson??? he already guards guys bigger than him that are not that talented, why not put him on the big scrubs? that way he can rebound and outrace whomever he's guarding. isn't that the reasoning behind having him play pf???

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

True but he has apparenlty been given a free pass this year. I know there have been some outspoken posters voicing their displeasure with Diaw but nothing compared to what we have seen with The Matrix. With Diaw the excuses are only he came into the season out of shape and he can't seem to find his niche with Amare back.

no, no, no. i officially hate boris diaw. he's fat on his contract. i don't buy the "he can't seem to find his niche with amare back" bs. he gets the ball, attack the damn basket. how difficult of a niche is that?? what about when amare's out of the game (a lot when boris is in)? how difficult is that part? boris is softy softy frenchman. i loved him last year. he fooled me. i'll fess up to my part in the sham, i fell for it.

i don't hate marion, but i hate the way coach d uses him, which in turn causes me incredible frustration that i tend to take out on marion b/c he whines about not being DPOY.

 

[elindholm]

no, no, no. i officially hate boris diaw. he's fat on his contract.... i loved him last year. he fooled me. i'll fess up to my part in the sham, i fell for it.

Second that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'll third that.

 

[kps0001]

yes I hate him also. I guess what I was saying in my earlier post is that those are the only excuses we hear about Diaw. That is not what I think about him. I can't really say what I think about him here because I would be banned.

 

[TucsonDevil]

Come on guys... didn't you hear D'Antoni tells us that Diaw is the smartest player we have? Clearly Diaw is an incredible player.

 

[nashman]

I can see piling on Diaw he has not done much this season, but I have no clue how you guys hammer Marion who for the most part performs night in night out. yeah he did not have a great game but who did besides nash? Don't see any trade Stat cause he threw up bricks all night. Its one freaking game that we probally would have won if not for all the BS that went down in the final 3 minutes! Geesh yeah marion sucks lets trade him....sarcasm!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I can see piling on Diaw he has not done much this season, but I have no clue how you guys hammer Marion who for the most part performs night in night out. yeah he did not have a great game but who did besides nash? Don't see any trade Stat cause he threw up bricks all night. Its one freaking game that we probally would have won if not for all the BS that went down in the final 3 minutes! Geesh yeah marion sucks lets trade him....sarcasm!

He was doing other things, like grabbing 18 boards and blocking 5 shots.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Some of my favorite Suns board hits:

"I would trade Cuban for Sarver in a second."

"If Sarver doesn't resign Boris Diaw to a 10 million dollar contract he is a cheap ass and I will quit being a fan of the team."

 

[elindholm]

"If Sarver doesn't resign Boris Diaw to a 10 million dollar contract he is a cheap ass and I will quit being a fan of the team."

Sarver made what we all thought was the correct decision. It turns out that being stingy would have been better in this case, which might be an interesting lesson for the future.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Heh, I was one of those that thought we got a good deal on Diaw.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I actually don't mind if Marion/Diaw are going to waste some fouls on Duncan, but that is what it is. If he gets good position foul him, otherwise bring a quick double team.

We did neither.

 

[Black Jesus]

The main difference between Marion and Cedric is that Ced knew what kind of player he was. He didnt think of himself as a future Hall of Famer with the ability to carry a team, whereas Marion has this ego that makes him think that he is KG or TD, which he is not even close. Marion is barely an allstar, which puts him on the same level production wise as a Marcus Camby or Rashard Lewis, he is no better than Richard Jefferson either, yet he thinks he is on the same level as players like D-Wade or LB or even Melo. that is my biggest problem with Marion, he should never get a pass outside the paint, he should be told to camp around the basket, fight for offensive rebounds and tip ins, and if he doesnt get those then SPRINT back on defense. Yes Marion complains which is clear reading any postgame interview or 7 seconds or less, in which he always mentions being the third wheel, well guess what, I wish we had our fourth wheel back right now in the third spot because JJ is a much better BB player than Marion and could handle the PG duties also, Marion is a worse ball handler than amare.

If you have been reading alot of sports, all signs point to Marion getting the axe along with our atl pick given the right player... KG or Durant. I hate to say it but if we don't have an impressive victory tonight, than this series is over, its GUT CHECK TIME and to be honest the most important player for us to do well may be Marion, which is what annoys me so bad.

 

[SactownSunsFan]

While i'd trade Marion for the likes of Jermaine O'Neal, Lamar Odom, Gerald Wallace, Pau Gasol, Elton Brand, KG, Zach Randolph and a few other talented forwards in the NBA. Hes still not the weaklink on this team and hes far from it.

Mike D'Antoni is the weakest link and until he starts acting like a headcoach instead of an assistant, he'll always be our weakest link.

As headcoach you have to put your players into a position to perform up to their top capabilities and he didnt do that on Sunday.

Lamar Odom? Mr Inconsistency Lamar Odom? You think Marion's disappearing act against the Spurs is bad, Lamar disappears against everybody!

 

[dodie53]

i would like to have elton brand please..

 

[Cheesebeef]

Lamar Odom? Mr Inconsistency Lamar Odom? You think Marion's disappearing act against the Spurs is bad, Lamar disappears against everybody!

not against Marion.

 

[kps0001]

The main difference between Marion and Cedric is that Ced knew what kind of player he was. He didnt think of himself as a future Hall of Famer with the ability to carry a team, whereas Marion has this ego that makes him think that he is KG or TD, which he is not even close. Marion is barely an allstar, which puts him on the same level production wise as a Marcus Camby or Rashard Lewis, he is no better than Richard Jefferson either, yet he thinks he is on the same level as players like D-Wade or LB or even Melo. that is my biggest problem with Marion, he should never get a pass outside the paint, he should be told to camp around the basket, fight for offensive rebounds and tip ins, and if he doesnt get those then SPRINT back on defense. Yes Marion complains which is clear reading any postgame interview or 7 seconds or less, in which he always mentions being the third wheel, well guess what, I wish we had our fourth wheel back right now in the third spot because JJ is a much better BB player than Marion and could handle the PG duties also, Marion is a worse ball handler than amare.

If you have been reading alot of sports, all signs point to Marion getting the axe along with our atl pick given the right player... KG or Durant. I hate to say it but if we don't have an impressive victory tonight, than this series is over, its GUT CHECK TIME and to be honest the most important player for us to do well may be Marion, which is what annoys me so bad.

Are you serious?

You stated Marion doesn't know what kind of player he is but then you proceed to mention how Marion always mentions he is the third wheel. Well he is and he knows his role on the team as Nash and Amare are the focal points of our organization. Is it wrong for a guy to think he might be good enough to be another teams first or second option? I call it confidence, sorry. You make it seem as if Marion constantly complains about it which I think is so far from the truth. The guy is pretty quiet and humble in my opinion. Of all the athletes or celebrities I have come in contact with and held more than one conversation with Marion is one of the best at holding this ego in check.

Marion can't carry a team? Where would the Suns ended up last year without Marion....carrying the team?

JJ over Marion you are smoking some serious crack? Marion can't handle the ball? Thank god we don't ask him to and he KNOWS that is not his role on the team. Why would you even bring that up?

The fact that Marion might be leaving us next year has all to do with the fact with how much cap space he is taking up and not how he has performed as a Suns player. He has been great for the Suns and we rewarded him with a max contract a few years ago. Did we know we would acquire Nash again when we did this? Did we even know about Leandro Barbosa at the time or even Amare? If all the hate is because Marion is the highest paid player on the team but yet is our third option you obviously don't understand the history of the Suns since we drafted Marion nor the game of basketball.

Marion is a 34% career 3 point shooter, not horrible but not great either. It isn't like the guy hoists up 10 a game. I will take 1/3 three's he puts up. You have to understand the Suns style of play. We are a run and gun type of team throw up shots quickly because we can score so much so fast it doesn't bother me one bit with the amount of times Marion launches his ugly shot from the perimeter. You want Marion to camp around the basket, fight for offensive rebounds and tip ins, and if he doesnt get those then SPRINT back on defense? Do you watch Suns games. This is Shawns game. He sure as hell was doing some sprinting on D last night.

Open your eyes and appreciate Marion while we have him and know you and other Marion haters will surely miss him if in fact we do lose him.