Is The Suns PG Dominace Over?

[Gee!]

Ever since Cotton passed away and Jerry is slowly turning over the Suns to Sarver Ive had this uneasy feeling.. Are we capable of drafting correctly? More importantly.. Are we able to meet the PG requirement as we have become spoiled with?

We always seemed to have found players no one else was willing to draft..

Hornacek
Majerle
Nash

And able to trade for players no one seemed to give a chance..

KJ


I dont think Sarver and D'Antoni have the savvy to pull off a Chris Paul trade when Nash retires.. They aint no Colangelo, Cotton..

Im worried..

 

[elindholm]

I dont think Sarver and D'Antoni have the savvy to pull off a Chris Paul trade when Nash retires.

Not unless their next Chris Paul is backing up an All-Star somewhere, and the Suns part with an All-Star big man to get him.

 

[scotsman13]

who says that chris paul is not going to be a free agent? personally if i had to go back to the hornets i would want out of there asap

 

[Gee!]

I dont think Sarver and D'Antoni have the savvy to pull off a Chris Paul trade when Nash retires.

Not unless their next Chris Paul is backing up an All-Star somewhere, and the Suns part with an All-Star big man to get him.

Are you saying Marion could be the next Nance?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I would wait until Nash retires before we worry about our lack of point guard dominance.

 

[Gee!]

I would wait until Nash retires before we worry about our lack of point guard dominance.

I understand that.. But its becoming increasingly clear that Nash is close to the end and our window is closing.. All good companies/organizations find comparable replacements before its too late and are stuck in the cold.. Thats all Im saying..

At one point we had KJ, Kidd and Nash on this roster..

 

[moviebuff316]

I say we stop worrying about that and enjoy whats in front of us. All players retire and we could easily sign an All Star Caliber Free Agent to replace him in the future. Hell, Signing Nash was out of Nowhere also. I remember everyone talking about us trying to get Kobe and then the Nash story popped up.

 

[fordronken]

All good companies/organizations find comparable replacements before its too late and are stuck in the cold.. Thats all Im saying..

That's completely unfounded. If that's all your saying, it doesn't have much to stand on. Who were the comparable replacements waiting behind Magic, Bird, Russell and Jordan? The Cavaliers can't even find someone to replace Damon Jones. If you're a championship contender and your best player(who happens to win two MVPs) retires, you're probably in trouble. If the Suns have Stoudemire, Diaw and Barbosa healthy and entering their prime at that point, we'll be in better shape than most or all other teams in history coming off of being title contenders.

 

[Gee!]

That's completely unfounded. If that's all your saying, it doesn't have much to stand on. Who were the comparable replacements waiting behind Magic, Bird, Russell and Jordan? The Cavaliers can't even find someone to replace Damon Jones. If you're a championship contender and your best player(who happens to win two MVPs) retires, you're probably in trouble. If the Suns have Stoudemire, Diaw and Barbosa healthy and entering their prime at that point, we'll be in better shape than most or all other teams in history coming off of being title contenders.

And what exactly have them 3 done without Nash? And wasnt Amare one of the people who went to recruit Nash to come back to PHX?

 

[SO91]

They haven't been playing long enough to be judged without Nash.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I would wait until Nash retires before we worry about our lack of point guard dominance.

Even then Barbosa has the potential to be more of a KJ style pg. Right now LB would have to be considered one of the better pg's in league, he's just nowhere near the distributor that Nash is.

 

[The Commish]

When Nash's contract runs out we'll just sign some other nasty PG. Phoenix has always been a desired destination for players not to mention the pedigree of the organization makes it easy to sell.

 

[playstation]

And what exactly have them 3 done without Nash? And wasnt Amare one of the people who went to recruit Nash to come back to PHX?

wow, talk about a doom-n-gloom guy. this is ridiculous. we'll talk about that point when we get there.

would i trade one title for 10 years of horridness? you betcha... AND we still have amare

 

[fordronken]

And what exactly have them 3 done without Nash? And wasnt Amare one of the people who went to recruit Nash to come back to PHX?

You're completely missing the point. Having three very good players in their prime after a two time MVP retires puts you in better position than almost any post championship run team in NBA history. Saying the team is screwed because they don't have a comparable point guard waiting in the wings like they should, is just plain silly. You have no evidence to back your points up.

 

[Covert Rain]

They haven't been playing long enough to be judged without Nash.

More importantly, D'Antoni has stated this system was built around Nash. I would hope for D'Antoni's sake that in the post Nash era he shows the ability to change the system around his replacement or around the current players he has on the court.

I have seen no short term ability on D'Antoni's part to compensate for Nash not being out there. However, it's probably not realistic to change things mid season. I am more worried about D'Anotni as a coach post Nash era then I am the team going out and getting good players either through the draft of FA.

 

[elindholm]

I am more worried about D'Anotni as a coach post Nash era

D'Antoni will be gone within a year after Nash, if not before. There's nothing to worry about with D'Antoni's post-Nash coaching tenure, because there won't be one to speak of.

 

[Covert Rain]

I am more worried about D'Anotni as a coach post Nash era

D'Antoni will be gone within a year after Nash, if not before. There's nothing to worry about with D'Antoni's post-Nash coaching tenure, because there won't be one to speak of.

What is your basis for that? Sarver seems to really like D'Antoni. I would think that he would give him a chance. Are you saying that you think D'Antoni will flame out so bad the following season he will be fired? Just curious where your coming from with that.

PS. I don't necessarily disagree with you or I wouldn't be worried about D'Antoni post Nash era.

 

[asudevil83]

it seems to me that some of you here have not been enjoying the success of the suns, but rather waiting for something to either a) go wrong or b.) worrying about 3 years down the road.

this is just getting ridiculous......a thread about when nash is gone in 2+ years? and to top it all off, "we're screwed" comments. SPEECHLESS.....

 

[elindholm]

What is your basis for that? Sarver seems to really like D'Antoni. I would think that he would give him a chance. Are you saying that you think D'Antoni will flame out so bad the following season he will be fired? Just curious where your coming from with that.

It's the way of the NBA. Everyone hands out big coaching extensions prematurely, and everyone loves everyone else, and then the team's personnel change a bit and suddenly the partnership doesn't look so hot anymore. The median coaching tenure in the NBA is less than three years, I believe.

The Suns loved Westphal, then they loved Ainge, then Frank Johnson, then Skiles. All of them were out the door sooner than we expected once things started getting shaky.

Assuming Nash plays out his option year, that will have been 6+ years with D'Antoni at the helm. That's already a very long time for an NBA head coach to remain in one position. It's just playing the percentages to predict that D'Antoni will be gone shortly after that, if he even makes it that far.

 

[Covert Rain]

It's the way of the NBA. Everyone hands out big coaching extensions prematurely, and everyone loves everyone else, and then the team's personnel change a bit and suddenly the partnership doesn't look so hot anymore. The median coaching tenure in the NBA is less than three years, I believe.

The Suns loved Westphal, then they loved Ainge, then Frank Johnson, then Skiles. All of them were out the door sooner than we expected once things started getting shaky.

Assuming Nash plays out his option year, that will have been 6+ years with D'Antoni at the helm. That's already a very long time for an NBA head coach to remain in one position. It's just playing the percentages to predict that D'Antoni will be gone shortly after that, if he even makes it that far.

Ah gotcha. That makes sense. I guess I am just curious what kind of coach D'Anotoni becomes when you don't have MV-Steve running the show anymore.

That's why I am enjoying this right now. Who knows after Nash is gone how good this team will be. All I know it's fun and I hope we get a title before all is said and done.

 

[msdundee]

Plenty of time.........

Vacancy: Head Coach/NBA
Date: to be determined
Send CV detailing all experience in the field together with list of professional and personal references to:

Robert Sarver, Managing Partner
Phoenix Suns
201 E. Jefferson Street
Phoenix, Arizona, 85004

 

[elindholm]

I guess I am just curious what kind of coach D'Anotoni becomes when you don't have MV-Steve running the show anymore.

An unemployed one. Write it down.

 

[Covert Rain]

An unemployed one. Write it down.

OK. ~_~~~~_~_~_~_~_~~_~_~_~___~_~_~_~

Done.

 

[Hoopy Dunkalot]

Geez

Enjoy the one you have...sheesh.

A PG is definately on the radar for PHX if that ATL pick slips a little. Deep draft. You'll get one there and we'll get to keep this little dance of ours up a little longer.

 

[fordronken]

First of all, nobody liked Frank Johnson. They hired D'Antoni to replace him(paying him a head coach's salary as an assistant), but Johnson accidentally coached them to the playoffs because of the emergence of Amare, the great year by Marbury and a gutsy team attitude.

Second of all, after Frank Johnson was fired, the offense immediately ran more smoothly(or more accurately, there immediately was an offense). It wasn't a great team at all, but D'Antoni didn't have a training camp yet. I think D'Antoni is a very good play caller out of time outs, but he really believes that his players, in an end of game situation, will be smarter without coaching than the opposing players will be-- and he's probably right.

Sure, D'Antoni may be fired after Nash is done, but calling it a sure thing is incorrect. A lot of it, obviously, will depend on if the Suns win the championship in the next couple of years. If that happens, D'Antoni gets deity status in the valley and any comparison to a previous coach is irrelevant. If he stays close with Sarver and keeps the style exciting, he could be a guy who is part of the franchise for a long time-- making the organization itself synonymous with D'Antoni.